Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 6th Dec 2010 18:38 UTC
Google After countless rumours, leaked screenshots, and what not, Google has officially unveiled Android 2.3, dubbed Gingerbread, today. Accompanying the release of this new Android version is the Nexus S, a Samsung-made successor to HTC's Nexus One, which delivers the pure Google experience - unlocked, without additional crap.
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Awesome
by J.R. on Mon 6th Dec 2010 19:08 UTC
J.R.
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2007-07-25

Love this new phone and android 2.3. Might be my new phone if its offered in my country.

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by Hiev on Mon 6th Dec 2010 19:26 UTC
Hiev
Member since:
2005-09-27

Phone may look good but that promo video is fail.

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GUI
by panzi on Mon 6th Dec 2010 19:40 UTC
panzi
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2006-01-22

Is the GUI still software rendered?

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RE: GUI
by Timmmm on Tue 7th Dec 2010 15:40 UTC in reply to "GUI"
Timmmm Member since:
2006-07-25

Is the GUI still software rendered?


Almost certainly (except the transition animations which never were). Apparently the reasons are:

* Most hardware doesn't support two concurrent OpenGL contexts, so it would be tricky to have an OpenGL view (e.g. Google Earth), and the status bar both drawn with OpenGL at the same time.
* They said software is often faster. Not sure I believe that though.

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RE[2]: GUI
by ScottDeagan on Wed 8th Dec 2010 14:51 UTC in reply to "RE: GUI"
ScottDeagan Member since:
2010-12-08

The lack of GPU hardware acceleration driving the UI has completely turned me off Android. Are they serious about delivering an improved "user experience"? If so, Google really need to act on this:

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914

I too have heard the "CPU rendering is often faster" nonsense from Google (the Android team). The facts speak for themselves - simply compare the smoothness/fluidity of an iPhone (even an old iPhone) or MeeGo or Web OS or a WP7 device with that of Android.

Personally I think it's a serious design flaw that really needs to be addressed. Anyone who has used a smooth mobile OS is always put off after picking up an Android handset and scrolling through the apps or browsing the Internet.

I'll never buy another Android handset (or tablet) until Google addresses this issue (and I'm sure there are many others like me).

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Word suggestions: improved?
by phoenix on Mon 6th Dec 2010 19:47 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-11

I haven't played with an version of Android since 1.5, so not sure is this has already been fixed or not.

When typing (via onscreen or hardware keyboard), do the word suggestions still cause the screen to jump around, by pushing the text input field up and down?

There's nothing worse than having the input box move up while typing a word (as the suggestions appear) then have it move down when you hit the space key (suggestions line disappears). Typing really fast can lead to headaches. ;)

Has this been fixed in later versions of Android?

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Yes. Or I think so. I have a lot of keyboards, I don't think I use the stock android one that much. That's sort of what's pretty cool about an open platform, if you don't like the way a built in part works, there is usually a third party replacement that does what you want.

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phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Heh, that would be true, except this LG Eve is stuck with Android 1.5, and all the nice apps and tools (like fancy keyboards) require 1.6. The LG keyboard and the stock keyboard work the same way when it comes to bouncing the screen to show word suggestions.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Ok, good point 1.5 was a bit primitive in what it offered.

You could give this a try: http://openetna.com/openetna/ Supposedly works for your phone.

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phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

I've been keeping my eyes on a couple different ROMs for the Eve. Unfortunately, it's the wife's phone and she's not too keen on having things break. ;) She's not too annoyed by it's limitations so far. Once she is, though, then I'll get to play. ;)

Personally, I'm waiting for the price of the HTC Desire Z to come down, so I can unlock it and use it on Rogers. I just can't bring myself to pay $500 CDN for one. It comes with 2.2, and should be upgradeable to 2.3.

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Mundbora Member since:
2010-12-09

Works like a charm. The camera has a max 3meg limit right now but otherwise it is very fast, capable of playing games it couldn't run before and overall reborn.

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Mundbora Member since:
2010-12-09

I loaded 2.2 Openetna on my LG Eve. The phone rocks now.

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phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Nice!

Straightforward install?

The lowly ~600 MHz CPU in there keeps up?

I'll keep this in mind for when she gets fed up with the little glitches here and there. ;)

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Mundbora Member since:
2010-12-09

I loaded 2.2 Openetna on my LG Eve. The phone rocks now.

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Wow
by WorknMan on Mon 6th Dec 2010 19:48 UTC
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2005-11-13

An unlocked phone with just vanilla android and no crapware. Shouldn't they all come this way.... or at least, shouldn't we have the option to buy them this way?

Edited 2010-12-06 19:50 UTC

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RE: Wow
by StephenBeDoper on Tue 7th Dec 2010 14:38 UTC in reply to "Wow"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

An unlocked phone with just vanilla android and no crapware. Shouldn't they all come this way.... or at least, shouldn't we have the option to buy them this way?


That's one of the things I find odd about the current smartphone landscape: despite being less "open" on a fundamental level, the Pre phones/WebOS still seem to be more open in practical terms (in the sense of imposing fewer restrictions on end-users) when compared with most Android phones.

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Completely pointless video?
by phoenix on Mon 6th Dec 2010 19:50 UTC
phoenix
Member since:
2005-07-11

So, anyone else find that "discover the magic" video to be completely pointless? What does watching a bunch of different feet walk around have to do with Android? Less than 10% of the video showed the phone in action.

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Bringbackanonposting Member since:
2005-11-16

Simple. Aimed at Apple target market. Bubblegummers hahaha.

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Good stuff
by porcel on Mon 6th Dec 2010 21:09 UTC
porcel
Member since:
2006-01-28

The biggest news for me which is huge is built-in support for SIP calls straight from google. No third party apps necessary.

Equally cool is the wireless and usb tethering, which my nexus one already has.

I am waiting to see Apple deliver any of those two features any time now.

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RE: Good stuff
by Elv13 on Tue 7th Dec 2010 02:35 UTC in reply to "Good stuff"
Elv13 Member since:
2006-06-12

They had USB teltering from 3.0.0 to 3.1.0, AT&T forced it out.

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RE: Good stuff
by -pekr- on Tue 7th Dec 2010 03:44 UTC in reply to "Good stuff"
-pekr- Member since:
2006-03-28

If I am not mistaken, BlueTooth takes less power than wi-fi tethering. So it really escapes my mind, what is so special on wi-fi tethering, when my HTC TouchPro 2 has a BlueTooth one, and it works really well to share my Internet connection. How can Android miss on that one?

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RE[2]: Good stuff
by unoengborg on Tue 7th Dec 2010 10:27 UTC in reply to "RE: Good stuff"
unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06

If I am not mistaken, BlueTooth takes less power than wi-fi tethering. So it really escapes my mind, what is so special on wi-fi tethering, when my HTC TouchPro 2 has a BlueTooth one, and it works really well to share my Internet connection. How can Android miss on that one?


The interesting thing is that it works like a WiFi router, and that you can connect multiple devices simultanously, regardless if you have bluetooth or not.
So it's a little more than normal tethering.

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RE: Good stuff
by Luminair on Tue 7th Dec 2010 09:08 UTC in reply to "Good stuff"
Luminair Member since:
2007-03-30

bigger news is that the rumors were correct and 3.0 honeycomb is a new tablet gui including built-in video chat http://video.allthingsd.com/video/google-andy-rubin-with-motorola-t...

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Bad Video
by OSGuy on Mon 6th Dec 2010 23:29 UTC
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2006-01-01

The promo video is a joke. Are they advertising foot wear?

I think they are trying to advertise "coolness".

Edited 2010-12-06 23:30 UTC

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RE: Bad Video
by Timmmm on Tue 7th Dec 2010 15:42 UTC in reply to "Bad Video"
Timmmm Member since:
2006-07-25

Heh yeah, I was starting to thing it was a shoe advert.

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RE[2]: Bad Video
by OSGuy on Wed 8th Dec 2010 12:02 UTC in reply to "RE: Bad Video"
OSGuy Member since:
2006-01-01

Compare iPhone and HTC ads with this one. With iPhone/HTC, the phone is always the main player in the ad. It is in the center of the screen continuously through the entire ad showing off the hardware and the software.

Edited 2010-12-08 12:03 UTC

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buttons
by stabbyjones on Mon 6th Dec 2010 23:44 UTC
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2008-04-15

I HATE the buttons on those nexus phones.

The reason I've stuck with HTC is because they use actual buttons on their phones.

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RE: buttons
by cmost on Mon 6th Dec 2010 23:55 UTC in reply to "buttons"
cmost Member since:
2006-07-16

I HATE the buttons on those nexus phones.

The reason I've stuck with HTC is because they use actual buttons on their phones.


No. I have an original HTC Nexus One and it uses lower screen taps instead of actual buttons for 'back', 'menu', 'home', and 'search.' I prefer "real" buttons for these functions but I've gotten used to it.

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Improved NDK
by FunkyELF on Tue 7th Dec 2010 00:44 UTC
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2006-07-26

Hopefully with this new improved NDK you can start programming in other languages like Python.

If you build the bindings as its own separate application then all the apps that use it can still be cross-platform (well, android platforms >= 2.3 anyway).

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They should have stayed with HTC ...
by -pekr- on Tue 7th Dec 2010 03:40 UTC
-pekr-
Member since:
2006-03-28

Love Samsung, for their LCD panels, but not for the phones. Google should have stayed with HTC instead imo.

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kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

I think the idea is to have a different OEM for each release. I think LG or Motorola will be next.

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Moredhas Member since:
2008-04-10

What's more likely is the engineers at Google are just chatting about their current favourite Android devices, and what they want to base their next Nexus on. The device they feel best captures Android currently. It could also be that Google want to keep an image separate from HTC, so it doesn't look like some unholy alliance where HTC get all the cool new toys (access to latest Android code) and an unfair leg up on the competition.

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Did they fix the jerky UI animations?
by agnus on Tue 7th Dec 2010 08:11 UTC
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Member since:
2006-05-10

I waited patiently to get a Desire HD loaded with Froyo but when I actually saw it running, I was majorly let down by the jerky UI animation and went for an iphone 4 instead. I love how everything runs smooth as silk, from the menus to internet browsing.

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Icaria Member since:
2010-06-19

You chose your phone based upon the jerkiness of the GUI animations? I hope more consideration went into it than that.

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agnus Member since:
2006-05-10

Since I was going for a very expensive device, I expected as much perfection as I could get. UI experience is one of the most important factors when you buy one of these.

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Icaria Member since:
2010-06-19

I'll take that to mean there were other considerations as well. I don't disagree when it comes to UIs, let alone spending money on UIs, which is a good part of the reason why I avoid iOS and Android-based devices but I can't say animations rank that high in my priorities. Animations are usually the first thing I disable on my desktop.

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Power management
by vodoomoth on Tue 7th Dec 2010 08:48 UTC
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2010-03-30

Being the owner of an HTC Desire, I think the power management, if efficient, would be the biggest improvement to Android. It's scary how fast the battery charge diminishes. I watched two 4-minute Youtube videos and did some browsing yesterday night in my bed reading news and the phone went from ~90% to 50% in less than 20 minutes! I've never tried to but I'm pretty convinced that my phone can't stand an uninterrupted two-hour Youtube session. I know I can't spend two hours talking on the phone, even on a full charge. I could leave the phone alone without ever touching it and it wouldn't last for more than 2 days and a half!

The worst part of it: it takes a little less than 5 hours to charge from a laptop's USB port, 3 hours from an electrical outlet. And while plugged in a USB port, running a game like Galaxy 2 consumes more power than is provided: meaning even when connected to the laptop, the battery is drained to the extent that a notification will pop up... This is a phone not 3 months old yet.

The battery life is the biggest letdown, a horrible one. Whether an OS or hardware problem, anything done to improve it is more than welcome. I mean, how useful is a phone when you can't count on it to Sat Nav you to and from a nearby town in a one-hour drive?

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RE: Power management
by Icaria on Tue 7th Dec 2010 09:15 UTC in reply to "Power management"
Icaria Member since:
2010-06-19

I'd say this is a problem with portable devices in general. The manufacturers are so keen to make the designs sleek and small that little consideration is actually given to people wanting to use their devices. On top of little thought being given to leaving enough room for some extra battery cells, even the form factors are becoming ridiculous. Have a look at Sony's video walkmans (walkmen?): they're about the only devices that break the 6-hour barrier for video playback but they've only got 2" screens. How the hell do you watch video on a 2" screen?

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RE[2]: Power management
by vodoomoth on Tue 7th Dec 2010 10:12 UTC in reply to "RE: Power management"
vodoomoth Member since:
2010-03-30

Videos on 2" screens? Some people have obviously lost their mind; even the 3.7" Desire is barely acceptable to me.
Anyway, maybe that batteries will become the next battlefield? I have hope but I also doubt it: there's nothing sexy about batteries or is there?

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RE[3]: Power management
by phoenix on Tue 7th Dec 2010 17:57 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Power management"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Wouldn't it be great if there were after-market/third-party batteries that were extra thick, that could be added to phones, that combined the battery and the backplate into one? Thus, you get a slightly thicker and easier to hold phone, with all that extra battery life.

Similar to some of the replacement battery packs for Nintendo GameBoy/Color back in the day.

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RE[4]: Power management
by anevilyak on Tue 7th Dec 2010 18:05 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Power management"
anevilyak Member since:
2005-09-14

A former coworker of mine actually had exactly that for his G1. I'm not sure where he got it from though.

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RE[5]: Power management
by phoenix on Tue 7th Dec 2010 18:11 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Power management"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Nice. So there's hope. ;)

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RE[4]: Power management
by 3rdalbum on Wed 8th Dec 2010 01:29 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Power management"
3rdalbum Member since:
2008-05-26

Wouldn't it be great if there were after-market/third-party batteries that were extra thick, that could be added to phones, that combined the battery and the backplate into one? Thus, you get a slightly thicker and easier to hold phone, with all that extra battery life.


There are, at least for the Desire. Look on eBay.

I got something a little bit different - a battery that plugs into the USB port and has enough power to recharge the main battery nearly 50%.

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RE[5]: Power management
by phoenix on Wed 8th Dec 2010 01:39 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Power management"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Yeah, there are lots of those available, and they come in handy. They just don't look that nice or integrated. ;)

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