Linked by Michael Pfeiffer on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 00:05 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives Gutenprint is a suite of printer drivers that can be used with UNIX and Linux print spooling systems, such as CUPS (Common UNIX Printing System), lpr, LPRng, and others. Gutenprint currently supports over 700 printer models. Gutenprint was recently ported to Haiku, both increasing its printing capabilities, as well as extending its supported printer models. This article describes Gutenprint and the effort to port it to Haiku.
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Comment by t3RRa
by t3RRa on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 01:08 UTC
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It is always great pleasure to see Haiku progressing. kudos to Haiku development team!

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PPD Files Question
by drcouzelis on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 01:19 UTC
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Ok, so, I'm having kind of a quiet night, so I download the latest Haiku nightly build and install it to my hard drive. After downloading WebPositive, I relax by checking one of my favorite websites, OSNews, and, suprise, the latest article is about printing it Haiku! So, I went ahead and tried setting up my printer.

Haiku has a gloriously simple user interface (of course) for installing printers. I select gutenprint -> Samsung -> and fail to find my printer listed. (Samsung ML-2510) I had the same problem in Linux, until I installed the drivers from the SpliX package. I just now downloaded the SpliX drivers and have the "ml2510.ppd" driver sitting on my Haiku desktop.

SO... My question is, can Haiku / gutenprint use a PPD printer driver file? If so, where shall I "install" (copy) it to?

If the PPD file won't work, don't worry about it. ;)

Thank you so much!

By the way, a fabulous amount of printers seem to be supported.

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RE: PPD Files Question
by umccullough on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 01:26 UTC in reply to "PPD Files Question"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

SO... My question is, can Haiku / gutenprint use a PPD printer driver file? If so, where shall I "install" (copy) it to?

If the PPD file won't work, don't worry about it. ;)


I may be mistaken, but I think you'll need Foomatic for that - which Haiku's Gutenprint port doesn't include.

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v RE: PPD Files Question
by xaeropower on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 01:32 UTC in reply to "PPD Files Question"
RE[2]: PPD Files Question
by Morgan on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 06:58 UTC in reply to "RE: PPD Files Question"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Personally I dont give a damn about bothering with the whole *cups* silliness just install xp on a vm and set the printer up in it. It doesn't worth the time when the printers are still on the same price then the ink cartridges.


But you see, not everyone wants to run XP either natively or in a VM. That would be why they are running an alternative OS in the first place. Another reason would be that they cannot afford or find for purchase a copy of XP even if they did want to run it.


If it doesn't work out you can throw it away and buy a new one.


This quote is a perfect example of what is wrong with our culture today. I know you are speaking of trashing the VM and reinstalling, which is trivial save for the time involved. But really, it speaks of a wider philosophy of "if it's broken, don't fix it just throw it away and buy another". That is anathema to my ears.

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;(
by kvdman on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 01:43 UTC
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no mention about funding of the port.

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RE: ;(
by koki on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 21:54 UTC in reply to ";("
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no mention about funding of the port.


Indeed. Haikuware really deserves to be mentioned for the great service that it provides to the Haiku development ecosystem through its bounties initiatives.

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RE[2]: ;(
by kvdman on Fri 24th Dec 2010 03:33 UTC in reply to "RE: ;("
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2006-04-28

Believe me, I mention this not just for gratification - it's to help publicize that there are alternative funding options for developers. I do remember OSNews publishing an article for a $2000 bounty offered for an open source Microsoft Kinect driver, and I thought, damn I wish Haikuware would get that kind of publicity. All it would take is an ounce of recognition in this article as to where the funding for the project came from. I know that the article wasn't published on behalf of Haiku Inc. but. unfortunately, it brings up other issues. i.e It's really discouraging to never see official recognition from Haiku (i.e the recognition they give to Google) for these bounty contributions, and really I question why I do this, and why I continue supporting Haiku through these bounties. For my time and troubles, I've contributed (through bounty donors) ~$12,000 to Haiku and its developers with no recognition for projects such as: the Webkit Port, SATA drivers, FreeBSD Wifi Port, Gutenprint Port, Wifi Encryption, Gnash, etc. I think Haiku Inc. could do a little better in PR to perhaps maintain good relations with the few organizations that financially support Haiku, but that's just me!

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RE[3]: ;(
by umccullough on Fri 24th Dec 2010 05:15 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: ;("
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

I think Haiku Inc. could do a little better in PR to perhaps maintain good relations with the few organizations that financially support Haiku, but that's just me!


It's somewhat unfair to put the onus of promoting and endorsement of Haikuware on Haiku, Inc., I think. You should be lobbying the project in general for this kind of support - as it's generally the greater body of project contributors who benefit from Haikuware's Bounties and subsequently post updates to the haiku-os.org website (which I assume is where you want to see this promotion).

As you can see - almost everyone on the Haiku, Inc. BOD has either individually donated to Haikuware bounties, or received funding from them - so we certainly support Haikuware in this regard as individuals.

In any case, I've got a couple ideas that might ease your frustration - I'll see what we can do.

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v RE[4]: ;(
by rr7.num7 on Fri 24th Dec 2010 16:37 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: ;("
RE[5]: ;(
by umccullough on Fri 24th Dec 2010 16:51 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: ;("
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

The funny thing is that I visited haiku-os.org and the word "Google" appears 10 times at the front page.

I guess koki is right and what you really meant was that Haikuware's wallet is not thick enough to be a part of your club?


Assuming you're not just another sock puppet...

I only suggested that the project in general is the problem, not specifically Haiku, Inc. Neither of the two Google articles currently on the front page of haiku-os.org were written by members of Haiku, Inc.

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RE[6]: ;(
by koki on Fri 24th Dec 2010 20:27 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: ;("
koki Member since:
2005-10-17

Assuming you're not just another sock puppet...


I am not banned here like I am on the Haiku mailing lists and the website that I created and you now enjoy, so I do not need to use a different nick to be able to speak my mind. Too bad you can't censor me here, eh?

The real Koki, uncensored.

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RE[3]: ;(
by koki on Fri 24th Dec 2010 12:26 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: ;("
koki Member since:
2005-10-17

It's really discouraging to never see official recognition from Haiku (i.e the recognition they give to Google) for these bounty contributions, and really I question why I do this, and why I continue supporting Haiku through these bounties. For my time and troubles, I've contributed (through bounty donors) ~$12,000 to Haiku and its developers with no recognition for projects such as: the Webkit Port, SATA drivers, FreeBSD Wifi Port, Gutenprint Port, Wifi Encryption, Gnash, etc. I think Haiku Inc. could do a little better in PR to perhaps maintain good relations with the few organizations that financially support Haiku, but that's just me!


There is an explanation to this: in spite of all the sugar coating and hypocritical lip service that they have added to their repertoire over time to smooth out their image (i.e., see Urias' response as an example), Haiku has not changed since the time you started the Haikuware bounties a few years back: it is a clique-like organization, and you are not considered part of it.

And of course Haiku's PR sucks: they banned the best PR man they could have ever had, summary execution style and with calls of troll and even mental illness, in spite of all his contributions, including among many other things the very first Haiku Code Drive, a two week donation drive that raised US$8000 for the project. ;)

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RE[4]: ;(
by n.l.o on Sat 25th Dec 2010 00:15 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: ;("
n.l.o Member since:
2009-09-14

Seriously you need to grow a pair of balls and stop bleating on about how mistreated you are.

I'm sick of reading about it.

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RE: ;(
by laplace on Fri 24th Dec 2010 20:51 UTC in reply to ";("
laplace Member since:
2005-07-06

I have transfered the money for the bounty back to Karl.

Happy holidays!
Michael Pfeiffer

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RE[2]: ;(
by laplace on Fri 24th Dec 2010 21:36 UTC in reply to "RE: ;("
laplace Member since:
2005-07-06

Karl did hot accept it so I donated the money to the WiFi bounty.

http://haikuware.com/20101120545/gutenprint-funds-raised#comment-72...

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RE[3]: ;(
by laplace on Sat 25th Dec 2010 09:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: ;("
laplace Member since:
2005-07-06

Karl, I am sorry that you had to get it wrong, but I agree with you, Haikuware and the bounty should have been mentioned in the article. BTW when I replied to your post I didn't know that kvdman is you.

To stop the speculations why I stepped back from the bounty, here is my explanation (maybe irrational, but that's how I feel):

I wrote the technical report because Andrew from Haikuware asked me and I felt obliged to because of the bounty. So my decisions were still influence by the bounty. When I wrote it I did it under the premiss that it would be published on Haikuware. Later Andrew told me that it got promoted to OSnews. I had the change to mention Haikuware and the bounty, again sorry, that I didn't do that.

What I regret is that I wrote the article in the first place, although I didn't want to. Instead of PR for Haiku to attract attention to new users and developers, some comments show a very bad light on the Haiku community and are OT.

In order to prevent my decisions in the future be influenced by the bounty I had to give the money back, now in the form of a donation.

Whoever finishes the WiFi bounty will be happy, and I have my independence back. So it's a win-win situation. The bounty didn't work for me. The past has proven that it can work for others. The Gutenprint driver is still working. Only the relations in the Haiku community did not improve.

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RE[4]: ;(
by kvdman on Sun 26th Dec 2010 02:57 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: ;("
kvdman Member since:
2006-04-28

Thanks for your reply Michael. This was all just a big misunderstanding. I didn't understand the circumstances, and probably should have just not said anything. I was just upset that after all the years of doing this, nobody bothered really to care to mention the bounties, and for some reason it came out here - which was unfortunate, and not very wise on my part. I really regret that you decided to refund the money, because you really do deserve it! Your donation to the Wifi bounty is appreciated though. I hope there's no hard feelings, I really enjoyed communicating with you.

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RE[5]: ;(
by laplace on Sun 26th Dec 2010 09:42 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: ;("
laplace Member since:
2005-07-06

Everything is fine. Thank you!

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RE[5]: ;(
by stippi on Mon 27th Dec 2010 22:14 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: ;("
stippi Member since:
2006-01-19

Karl,

I am really sorry that you do not feel your efforts are appreciated. I think in reality they are much more appreciated than you think. For example, a couple years ago you brought it to my attention that Haikuware and the bounty program are not mentioned in Haiku's about box. I immediately recognized this great mistake and placed a prominent notice, right besides the mentioning of the Google Summer of Code program.

Sometimes when you tried to communicate with me directly, I have encouraged you to use the proper channels. Good things did come out of it, like the "LibPak" optional meta package that Scott created which is based on your initial suggestions.

Then I know for a fact that the WiFi bounty is very much appreciated by Axel, one of our most prominent developers and also on the Haiku Inc BOD. Unfortunately he didn't finish it 100% in time, but good things came from it and it is most certainly appreciated. Haikuware bounties do get frequently mentioned in blog posts to the main Haiku site, and those are often pushed to the front page.

I hope you can see that the appreciation is definitely there, and I hope more people in the project will give Haikuware the credit that it deserves, when they see the chance.

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Good news for Gallium Port
by Michael Oliveira on Tue 28th Dec 2010 04:22 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: ;("
Michael Oliveira Member since:
2005-07-07

Seems that Gallium Port reached the target amount US$ 2.000,00.

I could buy a car with this money if I could write code.. ;)

Maybe a new entry in the right side news here in OSNews...

Edited 2010-12-28 04:23 UTC

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RE: Good news for Gallium Port
by koki on Tue 28th Dec 2010 18:04 UTC in reply to "Good news for Gallium Port"
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2005-10-17

Maybe a new entry in the right side news here in OSNews...


The best would be to add a block in one or more prominent places of the Haiku website (front page, development section, etc.) with links to both the bounties main page on Haikuware and individual active bounties (ie., alternating a few active bounties in a random manner).

This would kill two birds with one stone, as it would undeniably formalize Haiku's recognition to Karl's effort and it would also provide the most relevant exposure possible to the bounties.

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Cool!!!! BTW. Haiku isn't 1.0 yet
by Sabon on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 02:02 UTC
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2005-07-06

For all you people putting down the ability to print in Haiku. It's not even at 1.0 yet. Jeez.

For the person suggesting setting up XP as a print server. Are you out of your … mind? Gross!

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

And those people will be using Windows in the first place, as I don't think there are any businesses out there using an alpha of a relatively unknown OS for day to day work.

Try again.

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BlueofRainbow Member since:
2009-01-06

Businesses are reluctant to change and this essentially means Windows for a majority, OS X for a creative minority, and Linux for the rare mavericks. Haiku could attract a following in the business place for specialized uses (e.g. multimedia server?)but unlikely for the day-to-day functions.

The availability of device drivers for printers, scanners, and multi-devices for non-Windows/non-OS X operating systems will remain a stumbling block for many. Using a common/shared framework with other OSs should make it easier to have device drivers for the latest as well as legacy devices. Could be fun at home!

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mmu_man Member since:
2006-09-30

Well this wouldn't happen in the first place if printers were still printers. Instead you get to buy winprinters for windows which only have drivers for windows (and sometimes not even all windows versions, M$ had to pray to the hw vendors to make drivers for win7).
If the printers you buy were to have proper PS support as real ones and open specs it would be much easier to handle and we wouldn't need megabytes of software to send it rasterized pages or even worse head movement commands.

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

You're preaching to the choir, dude. I miss the days when I could just hook my HP printer up to a parallel switch and go seamlessly from a Windows box to a Linux box without a hitch.

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that's ok
by d.marcu on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 10:00 UTC
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2009-12-27

Printing support is nice but there are more important things waiting until haiku becomes usable: a package manager/update feature, wpa encryption and pppoe. Until then it's just a virtual machine toy.

Edited 2010-12-23 10:02 UTC

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RE: that's ok
by MYOB on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 10:21 UTC in reply to "that's ok"
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2005-06-29

Printing support is nice but there are more important things waiting until haiku becomes usable: a package manager/update feature, wpa encryption and pppoe. Until then it's just a virtual machine toy.


WPA is very nearly there - http://haiku-os.org/blog/axeld/2010-12-14_almost_not_there_yet

PPPoE - I've not seen someone without a proper DSL router in years, seeing as most of the ancient ones don't support the speeds being provided these days. I don't see this actually being of much importance.

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RE[2]: that's ok
by d.marcu on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 10:47 UTC in reply to "RE: that's ok"
d.marcu Member since:
2009-12-27

Depends on where you live. In Romania around 70% of computers are desktop not laptop so there's no need for wifi, we use good old pppoe. I'm sure there are other countries out there in a similar position.

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RE[3]: that's ok
by pandronic on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 15:08 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: that's ok"
pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

So true.

I have a really cheap and bad router with PPPoE support and I couldn't get it to work faster than 300 kB/s, but if I put the cable directly in my desktop computer I got speeds of 1-3mB/s. I never looked very much into that, but I sure was glad that XP had PPPoE support.

Also, a lot of people here don't have more than one computer, and usually it's a desktop, so there's no need for a router.

Edited 2010-12-23 15:09 UTC

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RE[3]: that's ok
by MYOB on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 18:02 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: that's ok"
MYOB Member since:
2005-06-29

Depends on where you live. In Romania around 70% of computers are desktop not laptop so there's no need for wifi, we use good old pppoe. I'm sure there are other countries out there in a similar position.


I'm in Ireland, where the incumbent telecoms provider still seems to think its 1995 price-wise; but every package with every telco gives you a full router. It was the same in the UK when I worked for a UK telco 4 years ago.

Irrelevant as to whether the computers are desktop are laptop, routers are just easier to work with and I'd have thought they were cheap enough that they were used everywhere. Maybe not...

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RE: that's ok
by Valhalla on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 10:55 UTC in reply to "that's ok"
Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24

Printing support is nice but there are more important things waiting until haiku becomes usable: a package manager/update feature, wpa encryption and pppoe. Until then it's just a virtual machine toy.

Whats wrong with installoptionalpackage? Just kidding, yes a package manager would certainly be nice, but it's not essential at this stage in my opinion. An update feature on the other hand really is, dd'ing updated images isn't exactly the smoothest of options. WPA encryption as someone else stated is coming courtesy of Axel himself, sponsored by a nice bounty from generous people over at Haikuware.

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RE[2]: that's ok
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 11:09 UTC in reply to "RE: that's ok"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Updating... YES. YES. YES.

A working installer was requirement 1 from me to install Haiku permanently - an updater is number 2.

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Good job!
by AndrewZ on Fri 24th Dec 2010 03:11 UTC
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2005-11-15

Congratulations to Michael Pfeiffer, aka Laplace. Thanks for a successful port of Gutenprint, and also a nice write up of the process.

With one port, Haiku now has support for 700 printers. And that is pretty cool.

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RE: Good job!
by AndrewZ on Fri 24th Dec 2010 04:26 UTC in reply to "Good job!"
AndrewZ Member since:
2005-11-15

And very special thanks to Karl at Haikuware.com for coordinating all the bounties for Haiku. The Haiku bounties really work, as evidenced by the all great projects that actually got done.

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Overblown
by AndrewZ on Fri 24th Dec 2010 17:53 UTC
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2005-11-15

This 'rift' is overblown. The fact is that the core Haiku developers remain almost exclusively focused on Haiku operating systems issues. Haikuware is focused primarily on applications.

But special thanks are in order for Karl at Haikuware who continues to provide very important support for the Haiku 'userland'.

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RE: Overblown
by koki on Fri 24th Dec 2010 20:52 UTC in reply to "Overblown"
koki Member since:
2005-10-17

This 'rift' is overblown.


You say that because you do not know the history between Haikuware and the Haiku project. This lack of recognition has happened before. When Karl tried to engage the project in the early days of his bounty initiative, he was ignored at first and then even chastised for eventually pushing his effort through on his own.

There was even some "ẗhis may be illegal" babbling from then project leader M. Phipps, which he ironically posted as an excuse on the Haiku mailing list soon after the project had taken from Karl the $2,000+ that he had raised on his first donation drive.

After that, Karl pretty much had to beg for a "thank you" post on the website, which I wrote myself and ended posting more or less against the reluctance of the Haiku admins.

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RE[2]: Overblown
by AndrewZ on Fri 24th Dec 2010 21:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Overblown"
AndrewZ Member since:
2005-11-15

I am aware of that, I read it in the old posts. And it is unfortunate. To me that is more a result of differences of opinion and naivety, rather than willful malevolence. Ultimately Karl proved his point and we are all the better for his taking action, right? Sometimes when you go against popular opinion to prove your point, people call you names in public, right? This is not junior high school anymore, so it's important to grow a thicker skin and carry on regardless, don't you think?

It has been my experience when dealing with the core developers that they respond to direct questions about Haiku os development, and would rather not be involved in much else. And if you think what would be the consequence of them not doing that, we would have a lot less Haiku to play with.

I do wish there was a formal 'bridge' in place between the core team and the apps team. Like the hotline between US and Russia :-)

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RE[3]: Overblown
by koki on Fri 24th Dec 2010 22:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Overblown"
koki Member since:
2005-10-17

If you actually read what Phipps said about Karl's effort here (see section towards the bottom of the message that starts with "wow")...

http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/Openness,13

...you will see that there is a total unwillingness to recognize that they dropped the ball and that they would not be willing to do anything else but come up with nonsensical excuses that put the accomplished contributor in a bad light.

You may want to put a positive spin to the situation, but, really, using such lame excuses to justify not supporting and eager and knowingly capable individual (Karl had already raised and donated $2K to Haiku by then) and then not showing recognition for his effort and instead chastising him does border ill will.

Sure, Karl pushed through and made the bounties program a success, and he deserves all the credit, credit that was only given reluctantly back and that still now needs to be asked for. So, history repeats itself, and another known contributor to the Haiku ecosystem feels unrecognized. The project never learns in this respect.

As I have always said, development is in very good hands for the most part at Haiku; that the core devs are mostly concerned with development and nothing else. is a good thing. But several other areas of the project (mostly those concerning the wider Haiku community beyond the core devs) suck, as they go unattended as a result or fall in the hands of people who lack the necessary time, motivation and/or skills to perform them.

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RE[4]: Overblown
by mphipps on Mon 27th Dec 2010 00:09 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Overblown"
mphipps Member since:
2006-08-21

Koki...

My friend... Why do we have to do this over and over? Why do you bring up my decisions from almost 4 years ago and bash the project?

I did not agree with Karl about bounties. I still don't. I still think that donating to Haiku itself and letting them contract for completed work is a better idea than bounties.

There is nothing in that to denigrate Karl or his hard work. I respect him and his work. I don't agree with him. I didn't when I was in charge and I still don't.

Now, as far as the legality and the "babble", I find that to be pretty insulting, honestly. A bounty was created to port Java. AT THAT TIME, java was not open source, it was a copyrighted piece of software that some people had access to but NOT THE LICENSE TO PUBLISH. Therefore, a bounty for it could NOT BE LEGALLY COMPLETED. In the same way that you could sit down and translate a book into Spanish or Japanese, but you couldn't legally publish it. That's why I said what I did. I stand by it, too. The bounty could be argued as an inducement to commit copyright violation. At the very least, it couldn't be legally completed. That was my point, back then. In the context of the times, it was true and made sense. It wasn't and isn't babble.

Look, to put this very kindly... I like you personally very much. But for whatever reason, your personality and the way that the Haiku folks do things don't work well together. Let it go, please. You are doing more harm than good. You voluntarily left the project at least 3 times. People didn't agree with the things you wanted to do. That's their prerogative. You can't force them to do what you want. When a group disagrees with one person, that person generally loses. I know that I disagreed with the admin group many times. I didn't always "get my way". But you learn to accept it and work toward the common goal, or you don't. You seem to have chosen not to accept it. That's fine, but you really can't blame the rest of the group. Accept that there are just some people that you, personally, can't work with. Please, let it go and move on. Let the bitterness fade. Move on. Let Haiku do its thing. If it is as bad as you say, it will fail. It doesn't seem to be failing so far, so maybe you are wrong. I don't know. But bashing the project only hurts everyone. Please, let it die.

Believe it or not, you friend...

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Comment by Michael Oliveira
by Michael Oliveira on Fri 24th Dec 2010 22:43 UTC
Michael Oliveira
Member since:
2005-07-07

OSNews (aka Thom) could create a 'bounties' section listing all available bounties to open source projects like Haiku..

My 0,2 cents

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