Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 29th Dec 2010 22:38 UTC
Games The Playstation 3 has been cracked so hard even its momma felt the blow. "Approximately a half hour in, the team revealed their new PS3 secrets, the moment we all were waiting for. One of the major highlights here was, dongle-less jailbreaking by breaking the PS3 loaders, giving complete control over the system. The other major feat, was calculating the public private keys (due to botched security), giving users the ability to sign their own SELFs."
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linux on PS3 lives again ...
by project_2501 on Wed 29th Dec 2010 23:21 UTC
project_2501
Member since:
2006-03-20

finally we can have linux back on PS3 again .. and maybe even using the full hardware, not restricted to a subset as before ...

Reply Score: 7

RE: linux on PS3 lives again ...
by viton on Fri 31st Dec 2010 12:43 UTC in reply to "linux on PS3 lives again ..."
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

"we"? 10.5 individuals in the world?
Linux on PS3 is useless due to low memory.
Anyway Linux was freely available before geohot ruined the thing. Slim can support Linux or not, I don't care much (Linux is proven as useless on PS3), but my fatty lost Linux support because of his actions.

Edited 2010-12-31 13:03 UTC

Reply Score: 2

dizzey Member since:
2005-10-15

Well that is one way of seeing it. i personaly belive that he would not have cracked the slim if sony had not lied about the issue.

in my book sony is still to blame for flat out lying.
they said that the slim could not run linux was a hardware limitation and that as we all know it is a big lie.

If you want long customers please dont lie to them.
the truth can hurt sometimes but for the long run it will still be better than a lie.
and if a company is not in it for the long run well then i do not want to be a customer for that company

Reply Score: 2

Comment by galvanash
by galvanash on Thu 30th Dec 2010 00:26 UTC
galvanash
Member since:
2006-01-25

Watched the whole presentation... Pretty impressive really, they managed to systematically dismantle virtually every layer of security. Sony appears to have screwed up quite a few of the deeper layers of security, choosing to rely almost solely on a few key mechanimsms apparently believing them to be impenetrable, but that ended up costing them...

Highly recommend watching all 3 parts of the presentation, they give a very thorough explanation of all the security layers and how each one was either defeated, proven ineffective, or worked around all the way to the point of them getting the signing keys.

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RE: Comment by galvanash
by yoshi314@gmail.com on Thu 30th Dec 2010 06:11 UTC in reply to "Comment by galvanash"
yoshi314@gmail.com Member since:
2009-12-14

it's hard to believe that they would fail that badly.

i was watching in disbelief especially about that crypto part with constant "random" value.

i think that might put a big question mark over quality of many sony security technologies.

still i don't think it would all be possible without being to run linux on the device in the first place. it might take a few more months/years if it weren't for that - the outside layer of encryption seems very solid.

it's the inside design that really sucks.

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RE[2]: Comment by galvanash
by flanque on Thu 30th Dec 2010 13:36 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by galvanash"
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

This really comes back to something very simple. Security is only as strong as its weakest link.

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RE[3]: Comment by galvanash
by yoshi314@gmail.com on Thu 30th Dec 2010 14:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by galvanash"
yoshi314@gmail.com Member since:
2009-12-14

yes but this security looks like a string of weakest links.

there is just way too many errors in there. it's ridiculously flawed.

i just fail to understand how is that possible.

Edited 2010-12-30 14:23 UTC

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Comment by galvanash
by somebody on Thu 30th Dec 2010 23:16 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by galvanash"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

it's hard to believe that they would fail that badly.

i was watching in disbelief especially about that crypto part with constant "random" value.


i kinda feel that one was forgotten dev error. most coders do constant for random when developing. takes one variable out and makes it easier to create working thing.

then again correct approach to this would be something like this

#if DEBUG
return(4);
#else
return(Random);
#endif

Reply Score: 2

lol
by somebody on Thu 30th Dec 2010 02:16 UTC
somebody
Member since:
2005-07-07

i think the writer of

int getRandomNumber() {
return(4);
}

just got fixed scheduled appointment for tomorrow.

something like:
ASAP show your self at the nearest wall. shooting squadron is waiting for you there

Reply Score: 4

Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Thu 30th Dec 2010 08:40 UTC
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

Reminds me when the Station X folks discovered that the barrels on the German enigma machine were not randomised--it was just 1, 2, 3, 4! Of the billions of possible combinations that they had no hope of brute-forcing, it was the most obvious one.

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Heh heh heh
by Neolander on Thu 30th Dec 2010 09:43 UTC
Neolander
Member since:
2010-03-08

Here's to all those guys who think "hey, let's screw up the lowest layers of our OSs, all interesting things happen in user space nowadays" ^^

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Sony, Sony, Sony
by _Wannes_ on Thu 30th Dec 2010 16:15 UTC
_Wannes_
Member since:
2010-12-29

If only you didn't removed the OtherOS-option, the hackers would not have been so keen on breaking the PS3. As said in the presentation: it may have took them 4 years, but they only started after Other-OS was removed, which was a year ago.

It makes me wonder: would this had happened if Sony just left Other-OS alone?

Reply Score: 5

RE: Sony, Sony, Sony
by viton on Fri 31st Dec 2010 14:35 UTC in reply to "Sony, Sony, Sony"
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

If only you didn't removed the OtherOS-option, the hackers would not have been so keen on breaking the PS3.

Ok. PS2 has official linux with full access to graphics hardware. Does it help? No
There was a lot of attempts to break PS3 even before Slim was announced.
So their words anyone should take with a grain of salt.
They don't care about Linux, but only of their fame or so and use linux to justify the piracy.

Edited 2010-12-31 14:37 UTC

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Sony, Sony, Sony
by umccullough on Fri 31st Dec 2010 16:01 UTC in reply to "RE: Sony, Sony, Sony"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

PS2 has official linux with full access to graphics hardware. Does it help?


The PS2 hasn't supported Linux for a long time now. They removed support for it in 2004 when they released the slim model.

I just picked up an old fat PS2 for that very purpose ;)

Reply Score: 3

nicolasgoddone
Member since:
2009-04-20

If only they could get some drivers for that RSX GPU in the PS3 in the coming version of linux, would make it the ultimate entertainment devise... *...quit's daydreaming and returns to coding*

...sigh

Reply Score: 4

They'll fight back with PSN...
by umccullough on Fri 31st Dec 2010 00:27 UTC
umccullough
Member since:
2006-01-26

I suspect their next step will be to start blacklisting machines via PSN, and start releasing updates that brick hacked boxes.

Once that trick fails to work, the PS4 will likely be announced with backward compatibility to run PS3 games (at least, at first, and then Sony will start removing that feature in subsequent revisions).

Reply Score: 2