Linked by Kroc Camen on Sun 9th Jan 2011 20:12 UTC
Podcasts Everything we know is being turned on its head. It's a brave new future. Or maybe we've woken up in 1994 again. Windows and Office on a different architecture? Tablets galore? My head is spinning. Let me just dial into my favourite BBS and rant about how I like things how they are. (N.B. the title is a Dutch phrase "In de hoek waar de klappen vallen", meaning "in the corner where the punches hit", relevant to our discussion of Intel and PS3 being completely caught out)
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Comment by t3RRa
by t3RRa on Sun 9th Jan 2011 20:30 UTC
t3RRa
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2005-11-22

What's Indehoekwaardeklappenvallen ? Some kind of Thai language or something?

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RE: Comment by t3RRa
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 9th Jan 2011 20:35 UTC in reply to "Comment by t3RRa"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

What's Indehoekwaardeklappenvallen ? Some kind of Tha


Click read more.

Durrrr ;) .

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RE[2]: Comment by t3RRa
by Kroc on Sun 9th Jan 2011 20:38 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by t3RRa"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

It’s _there_, in the teaser!

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RE[2]: Comment by t3RRa
by dylansmrjones on Sun 9th Jan 2011 20:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by t3RRa"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

. o O ( I mustn't say it, I mustn't say it, I mustn't say it )

EDIT: I'm impressed by the number of vowels, considering the complete lack of vowel sounds in Dutch :p

Edited 2011-01-09 20:59 UTC

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RE: Comment by t3RRa
by Zifre on Sun 9th Jan 2011 20:53 UTC in reply to "Comment by t3RRa"
Zifre Member since:
2009-10-04

What's Indehoekwaardeklappenvallen ? Some kind of Thai language or something?

Have you ever seen written Thai? They don't even use the Roman alphabet...

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RE[2]: Comment by t3RRa
by t3RRa on Sun 9th Jan 2011 22:37 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by t3RRa"
t3RRa Member since:
2005-11-22

I have actually googled it! and many of the pages were some kind of thai pages..

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1994? Fuck yeah, Commodore :D
by toast88 on Sun 9th Jan 2011 20:34 UTC
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2009-09-23

If that's the case and we're really 1994, I'm going to the next electronics department and buy a lot of A1200s to save Commodore ;) . (Unless we're pass April yet, then Commodore would already be bankrupt).

*scnr*

Adrian

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RE: 1994? Fuck yeah, Commodore :D
by aliquis on Mon 10th Jan 2011 03:26 UTC in reply to "1994? Fuck yeah, Commodore :D"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

Better go back 10 years more and buy it before Commodore does? =P

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win on arm
by smashIt on Sun 9th Jan 2011 21:27 UTC
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2005-07-06
Intel did build arm
by _txf_ on Sun 9th Jan 2011 21:31 UTC
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2008-03-17

As I recall Intel did license arm designs and produced the original Xscale processors. At the time they were the most powerful arm socs and were found on the high end pocket pcs and other embedded hardware. At some point intel decided that they didn't want to produce ARM anymore and sold the XScale stuff to Marvell who now produce the powerful armada ARM socs.

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RE: Intel did build arm
by Kroc on Sun 9th Jan 2011 22:35 UTC in reply to "Intel did build arm"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Doh! You’re right, I would have known this if I had thought of XScale. At some point I was going to comment that ARM is not one processor, it’s a collection of them, but I got sidetracked.

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RE: Intel did build arm
by viton on Sun 9th Jan 2011 22:58 UTC in reply to "Intel did build arm"
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2005-08-09

Marvell who now produce the powerful armada ARM socs

X-Scale (and derivatives) is pretty weak actually and use non-standard vector extensions.

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RE[2]: Intel did build arm
by _txf_ on Mon 10th Jan 2011 01:29 UTC in reply to "RE: Intel did build arm"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

I did say WERE (I should have also have appended "one of")...and yeah they used mmx and other intel based simd extensions.

In any case the newer armada 600 chips are real beasts (it appears that the armada chips are not derivatives of Xscale). Then again just about any arm V7 chip these days is pretty much a beast, only thing lacking when competing with the likes of intel is out-of-order execution which is coming in the cortex A9.

Edited 2011-01-10 01:31 UTC

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RE: Intel did build arm
by tessmonsta on Mon 10th Jan 2011 00:22 UTC in reply to "Intel did build arm"
tessmonsta Member since:
2009-07-16

huh. Didnt't know that.

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Tablets & OS/interface
by Lennie on Mon 10th Jan 2011 11:07 UTC
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2007-09-22

A tablet or other mobile device with touchscreen with a keyboard is very interresting.

I guess the device mentioned in the podcast is this ?:
http://ces2011.t3.com/2011/01/05/samsung-tx100-unveiled-as-slider-t...

The problem is interfaces.

You have all these operating systems which are made for touchscreens, like iOS, Android and so on. Some don't fit well on larger touchscreens yet, but they are still evolving.

And other 'older' operating systems which are made for keyboard/mouse use.

But when you have a device which is a touchscreen with a keyboard, is their an OS which has an interface which fits both use cases (yet) ?

As a webdeveloper I would say: HTML5 already fits that bill ;-) But maybe I'm just seeing the same nails, because I mostly work with the same hammer.

Edited 2011-01-10 11:10 UTC

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Servers and ARM
by Lennie on Mon 10th Jan 2011 11:37 UTC
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2007-09-22

Existing systems run on existing servers, new applications and deployments can run on less power hungry ARM-servers.

Also these new ARM-based servers/chips support virtualization. Not sure if they will run x86. ;-)

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RE: Servers and ARM
by lemur2 on Mon 10th Jan 2011 14:00 UTC in reply to "Servers and ARM"
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2007-02-17

Existing systems run on existing servers, new applications and deployments can run on less power hungry ARM-servers.

Also these new ARM-based servers/chips support virtualization. Not sure if they will run x86. ;-)


Even with virtualization, ARM won't run x86.

Not to worry though, there is a huge corpus of server applications for which the source code is readily available, and already ported to ARM.

http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/

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smashIt Member since:
2005-07-06

nice article
but with 99% of the smartphone/tablet vendors building the same SOC out of different buildungblocks it begs the question if 2-3 optimised SOCs wouldn't be the better solution

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sarl
by vodoomoth on Mon 10th Jan 2011 19:01 UTC
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2010-03-30

@Thom: that acronym exists in French: "société à responsabilité limitée". I guess it's the equivalent of an LLC if the LL is for "limited liability".

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I'll take a 1994 do-over
by Phloptical on Tue 11th Jan 2011 05:29 UTC
Phloptical
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2006-10-10

...it was a very good year.

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I have a better idea
by yossarianuk on Wed 12th Jan 2011 16:18 UTC
yossarianuk
Member since:
2009-04-01

How about Microsoft nowhere/ever/anytime.

I've managed (unless Civ4+civ5 through wine counts)

I hate the company so much - I can't think of anything that have actually innovated - except WGA

(I used to have a non crashing word processor for the Amiga in 1986 - it took Microsoft until 2001 and it was slow and expensive)

My computing life has been so much better without the destroyer of innovation.

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RE: I have a better idea
by smashIt on Wed 12th Jan 2011 23:18 UTC in reply to "I have a better idea"
smashIt Member since:
2005-07-06

I can't think of anything that have actually innovated


i know that trolls live in caves, but at least try to sound credible

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