Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 17th Jan 2011 14:04 UTC
Apple Steve Jobs has just announced he's taking medical leave from the company. Tim Cook will take over his role in Jobs' absence. "At my request, the board of directors has granted me a medical leave of absence so I can focus on my health. I will continue as CEO and be involved in major strategic decisions for the company," Jobs writes, "I have asked Tim Cook to be responsible for all of Apple's day to day operations. I have great confidence that Tim and the rest of the executive management team will do a terrific job executing the exciting plans we have in place for 2011." We wish all the best to Jobs and his family.
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Comment by dukes
by dukes on Mon 17th Jan 2011 14:26 UTC
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What a thing to wake up to on a Monday morning. ;)

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RE: Comment by dukes
by vivainio on Mon 17th Jan 2011 14:39 UTC in reply to "Comment by dukes"
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Yeah, the tragedy of someone taking a sick leave.

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RE: Comment by dukes
by BluenoseJake on Mon 17th Jan 2011 14:44 UTC in reply to "Comment by dukes"
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What a thing to wake up to on a Monday morning. ;)


DO you know him? Is he your relative? No? THen there are far worse off people in the world, maybe some re-evaluation of priorities may be in order.

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RE[2]: Comment by dukes
by vivainio on Mon 17th Jan 2011 14:54 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by dukes"
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DO you know him? Is he your relative?

I guess, like Kim Jong-Il or Christ, he's a relative of us all.

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RE[3]: Comment by dukes
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 18th Jan 2011 00:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by dukes"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Yeah, but I'm guessing most other well-adjusted humans have closer feelings to people they are more closely related to due to a large number of intimate shared experiences and the creation over time of a mutual support system.

However, on a technology site and when discussing Apple, I'm not sure you could make an assumption.

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RE[2]: Comment by dukes
by dukes on Mon 17th Jan 2011 14:56 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by dukes"
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2005-07-06

Don't know him but I am capable of fellow feeling for anybody. My priorities are fine thank you very much kid.

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RE[3]: Comment by dukes
by BluenoseJake on Mon 17th Jan 2011 15:09 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by dukes"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Kid? thanks for the compliment, but I'm 39, and back on topic, one of the richest men in the world have more than enough people to look out for him. Just because he's Steve Jobs doesn't mean he's anyone special.

Edited 2011-01-17 15:10 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by dukes
by Morgan on Mon 17th Jan 2011 15:12 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by dukes"
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I would say that just the fact that you have bothered to post in here -- more than once -- means he is special enough to get your attention.

Just saying.

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RE[5]: Comment by dukes
by BluenoseJake on Mon 17th Jan 2011 15:28 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by dukes"
BluenoseJake Member since:
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No, actually, I was responding to Duke, so maybe Duke is, but not Steve Jobs

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RE[6]: Comment by dukes
by Morgan on Mon 17th Jan 2011 15:39 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by dukes"
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But you had to come here on your own first to respond to Duke's original comment. If you truly feel that Jobs is "nobody special" why bother coming into the comment space in the first place? Why not skip over the story entirely if it didn't interest you? That was my point, though I wonder why I should have to explain it in such an elementary fashion to you.

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RE[7]: Comment by dukes
by ebasconp on Mon 17th Jan 2011 15:51 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by dukes"
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Because he's a kid, as someone wrote above ;)

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RE[7]: Comment by dukes
by brewmastre on Mon 17th Jan 2011 15:59 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by dukes"
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But you had to come here on your own first to respond to Duke's original comment. If you truly feel that Jobs is "nobody special" why bother coming into the comment space in the first place? Why not skip over the story entirely if it didn't interest you? That was my point, though I wonder why I should have to explain it in such an elementary fashion to you.


Bluenosejake: correct me if I'm wrong, but when you say "nothing special" you are referring to the fact that his life and his health are no more valuable than anyone else's. Correct? in which case I wholeheartedly agree with you.

You can feel bad for someone being sick while at the same time realizing that their sickness is no more important that anyone else's. There are people becoming sick, dying, and being injured is absolutely horrible ways constantly around the world. To zero in on one celebrity CEO and feel like <whining>this is just a really bad way to start my work week</whining> is naive and selfish.

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RE[6]: Comment by dukes
by Quake on Mon 17th Jan 2011 18:10 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by dukes"
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Even if you don't accept it, Steve Jobs is a force in the technology market. He saved Apple from the brink of disaster and turned his company around by implenting his vision.

So if Steve Jobs is sick, it will send a shock to the market. People will be wondering if Apple can survive without him. Plus, he's a fellow human being.

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RE[5]: Comment by dukes
by BallmerKnowsBest on Mon 17th Jan 2011 18:48 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by dukes"
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I would say that just the fact that you have bothered to post in here -- more than once -- means he is special enough to get your attention.


Wait, don't you mean "exceptional individual"? I didn't think we were allowed to say "special" anymore...

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RE[4]: Comment by dukes
by polaris20 on Tue 18th Jan 2011 02:31 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by dukes"
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2005-07-06

Kid? thanks for the compliment, but I'm 39, and back on topic, one of the richest men in the world have more than enough people to look out for him. Just because he's Steve Jobs doesn't mean he's anyone special.


He might have mistaken you for a kid because you're acting like a bitter one.

Why are you so combative? It's completely unnecessary.

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RE[5]: Comment by dukes
by BluenoseJake on Tue 18th Jan 2011 09:55 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by dukes"
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2005-08-11

How am I being combative? Because I think that Steve Jobs is just a guy? That Apple makes consumer electronics, and not life choices? That the unhealthy view of Steve Jobs as saviour of Apple is kinda dangerous for Apple? Or is it because I think that there are many more people who have it a lot worse than Steve Jobs?

I'm not bitter, and I'm not a kid, perhaps I have more immediate concerns. I didn't curse, I didn't call Dukes stupid, or an asshole, I just asked him If he knew Jobs personally.

DO you know him? Is he your relative? No? THen there are far worse off people in the world, maybe some re-evaluation of priorities may be in order.


This doesn't sound bitter to me, or combative. Maybe judgmental, but bitter and combative? Come on. I feel a lot of compassion for a lot of people, but tend to feel it for people who need it. Steve Jobs doesn't

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RE[6]: Comment by dukes
by polaris20 on Tue 18th Jan 2011 14:37 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by dukes"
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2005-07-06

While what you say is true, that there are many people ailing, that there are others closer to us to be concerned about, it goes without saying. i.e., it didn't need to be said.

The guy was just expressing sympathy to another human being, and yeah, you sounded rude and combative.

If you didn't mean it this way, perhaps you should write a little less conversationally.

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RE[3]: Comment by dukes
by _txf_ on Mon 17th Jan 2011 16:00 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by dukes"
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2008-03-17

How about all those that are sick and do not have anything to do with apple? Any comment for those? Why is this especially deserving of comment?

Not that you can't feel bad for him, but your comment has the tone that this is a great tragedy...

Edited 2011-01-17 16:05 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by dukes
by leos on Mon 17th Jan 2011 15:16 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by dukes"
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2005-09-21

"What a thing to wake up to on a Monday morning. ;)


DO you know him? Is he your relative? No? THen there are far worse off people in the world, maybe some re-evaluation of priorities may be in order.
"

Cranky much?

I'd say anyone owning Apple stock will probably be personally affected by this...

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RE[2]: Comment by dukes
by tylerdurden on Mon 17th Jan 2011 20:33 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by dukes"
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Yeah, not kidding. Someone displaying basic human empathy for another human being not in your pre-approved list of people? Not in your watch!

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Post-Jobs Apple
by brewmastre on Mon 17th Jan 2011 15:01 UTC
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You know, I used to think that Apple would be severely crippled when the day comes that they lose Jobs but now I'm not so certain. It seems that Apple has finally grown beyond just being "Steve's company" to an all out Goliath that dominates every market it touches. While I hate to see him have health problems, I do believe that his temporary(?) leave of absence will go largely unnoticed by the hoards of fickle Apple fans out there.

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*does The Happy Dance*
by TheGZeus on Mon 17th Jan 2011 15:31 UTC
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DANCE.
DANCE.
DANCE.
STOP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYCU6wXZkIA

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RE: *does The Happy Dance*
by testman on Mon 17th Jan 2011 20:54 UTC in reply to "*does The Happy Dance*"
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You are a vile human-being.

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RE[2]: *does The Happy Dance*
by TheGZeus on Mon 17th Jan 2011 22:15 UTC in reply to "RE: *does The Happy Dance*"
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You're welcome?

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RE: *does The Happy Dance*
by Junius on Tue 18th Jan 2011 16:36 UTC in reply to "*does The Happy Dance*"
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2009-10-25

HA! Nice comic relief - much needed. Don't know why I even looked at the comment section on this one - i knew something like this would happen. Cheers

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People
by fretinator on Mon 17th Jan 2011 15:53 UTC
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2005-07-06

Linux is my main OS. Apple as a company kind of gives me the creeps - though iPads and Macbook Pros sure are shiny!

Anyhoo, People != Corporations. Companies can be quite soul-less. People, not so much. I hope he gets well, and pray the best for him.

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RE: People
by pica on Mon 17th Jan 2011 16:01 UTC in reply to "People"
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2005-07-10

People != Corporations. Companies can be quite soul-less. People, not so much.


People are the soul of corporations. A corporation does not have a soul itself. And soul-less people at the top of a corporation just make it a soul-less corporation.

I hope he gets well, and pray the best for him.


Yes, as for all livings.

pica

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RE: People
by Soulbender on Mon 17th Jan 2011 17:25 UTC in reply to "People"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Corporations are inherently soul-less since they are not living things and there are no soulful corporations. This is not a bad thing, btw.
There are however both soul-less and soulful people.

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RE[2]: People
by fretinator on Mon 17th Jan 2011 17:46 UTC in reply to "RE: People"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

Corporations are inherently soul-less since they are not living things and there are no soulful corporations.

I didn't want to go that far - I think corporations can have something similar to a soul, a persona if you will. However, it certainly is fleeting.

BTW, this is pretty heavy for a Monday!

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Deal with it.
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 17th Jan 2011 18:05 UTC
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The cold and harsh reality of the world is that some people are more important than others, and hence, get more attention and/or sympathy. It sucks, but it's the way things are.

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RE: Deal with it.
by theinonen on Mon 17th Jan 2011 19:06 UTC in reply to "Deal with it."
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I agree that Steve Jobs is very important for his family and friends, but if you put things in the right perspective he is just a man with more money than the average person.

I would not put him in the same league as Albert Einstein, James Watt, Alexander Graham Bell, Nikolai Tesla, Thomas Edison, ...etc. People like those laid out the foundations of the modern science and technology.

Steve Jobs has made lots of money, but as a man he is still insignificant and history will not remember him.

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RE[2]: Deal with it.
by rubberneck on Mon 17th Jan 2011 19:24 UTC in reply to "RE: Deal with it."
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Yeah, they will remember linus torvalds. LOL

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RE[2]: Deal with it.
by ebasconp on Mon 17th Jan 2011 22:01 UTC in reply to "RE: Deal with it."
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I would not put him in the same league as Albert Einstein, James Watt, Alexander Graham Bell, Nikolai Tesla, Thomas Edison, ...etc. People like those laid out the foundations of the modern science and technology.

Steve Jobs has made lots of money, but as a man he is still insignificant and history will not remember him.


Nobody is setting Steve Jobs in the same league as Albert Einstein... Though I would not set Thomas Edison in Einstein's league neither....

Anyway, how can you say that Steve Jobs will not be remembered? He WROTE the history of personal computing bringing his vision to our homes. Ok, you can argue a lot on the asserts I did, but without Steve Jobs, probably computing science would be still bored and elitist for most of the people.

Edited 2011-01-17 22:02 UTC

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RE[3]: Deal with it.
by TheGZeus on Mon 17th Jan 2011 22:16 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Deal with it."
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I'd put him in with Henry Ford.
Created a product that improved on what was out there, made everyone want it, and is a horrible person. (Ford was an outspoken anti-Semite)

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RE[2]: Deal with it.
by DeepThought on Tue 18th Jan 2011 09:37 UTC in reply to "RE: Deal with it."
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2010-07-17

I agree that Steve Jobs is very important for his family and friends,...


... and to the employees of Apple.

I would not put him in the same league as Albert Einstein, James Watt, Alexander Graham Bell, Nikolai Tesla, Thomas Edison, ...etc. People like those laid out the foundations of the modern science and technology.


Just go on the street and ask people who was Edison and what he did to the world ?

Well your list is quiet strange. So how about:
Zuse, Moore and Bushnell.

Without those guys todays life would be very different.

Steve Jobs has made lots of money, but as a man he is still insignificant and history will not remember him.


Oh, I am pretty sure, one or two will remember him w.r.t. the Apple I or Apple II and computer history.

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Let us not,
by kaelodest on Mon 17th Jan 2011 18:41 UTC
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Be callous or insensitive. Let's not eulogize or demonize one sigle man (who is a stranger to most of us) even for the sake of being 'witty' or 'funny'. Steve is not a cult figure. As far as I have seen among my friends who are 'often' loyal to the point of fanaticism. We do not worship 'The Steve'. However I remember OS 7(and earlier) and the depths of despair in the 90's about where that company was going. And I think that it was obvious. Apple circa 96-98 was irrelevant. When SJ returned all he did was what any proud company owner would have done, and that is to make his company a proud brand. The current version of Apple the Company and Mac OS, the Software, and I guess the phone and iTunes and their stores is not about SJ. It is about an ecosystem of focused tools that do one thing well. (in the case of the Phone that might not be calls -Talking to YOU ATT).

Turning that company image from shit to sunshine, and from proprietary to standards seemed impossible at the time. (I sure as heck would not have wanted his job in 96) Apple is NOT Magic that string of success was a well driven team effort.

Apple today has the OS (Best Unix for general daily use-imho) and the development tools to keep the momentum going. It has year over year market increases and while It has some decisions that I really do not like i.e. .Mac/Mobile Me - "Pay-to-Play" cloud computing, isn't that what companies want. Or will eventually give us?

Lastly if this is the end, and I really hope it isn't maybe Apple (the board and the company) can find a replacement that is not so easy to demonize or sanctify. Apple is a company and as long as it behaves like a proper company then I will support it.

(*disclaimer I am and will remain an Apple Stockholder*)

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RE: Let us not,
by TheGZeus on Mon 17th Jan 2011 19:33 UTC in reply to "Let us not,"
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2010-05-19

I think it's callous and insensitive to not acknowledge that this man is _evil_ and little he's done (particularly in the past decade) hasn't harmed others.

He's an awful person, and while I'd feel much sympathy for him were he to have mended his ways, he hasn't.

I feel sympathy for his family, in part because he's evil, and they have to deal with _that_.
It's sad to lose someone you love, particularly when they've left a legacy this awful.

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RE[2]: Let us not,
by kaelodest on Mon 17th Jan 2011 19:44 UTC in reply to "RE: Let us not,"
kaelodest Member since:
2006-02-12

I think it's callous and insensitive to go so far off-topic.

It is always easy to throw around words, but what have you done in the past ten years especially. If he is Evil that is between him and his interpretation of a higher power.

The old "I Cringley" site on PBS used to say on it's board rule #1 be more funny.
I lost my aunt to Pancreatic Cancer.

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RE[3]: Let us not,
by TheGZeus on Mon 17th Jan 2011 19:50 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Let us not,"
TheGZeus Member since:
2010-05-19

Ah, moral relativism.
...nah.

I lost my grandmother to progressive dementia. If he had that, I'd still do the happy dance.

Oh, and it's not off-topic to call an evil man 'evil', and say I'm happy that bad things are happening to him while he's still evil.

For all we know, it's his awful bitterness that's keeping him from getting well.
"oh, but he meditates" Yeah, well if you're still raging when your competitors best you, and refuse to see reality and facts you certainly don't have 'right view'.

He's an awful person. I hope that changes. Until it does, I'll be glad anything bad happens to him.

Edited 2011-01-17 19:54 UTC

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RE[4]: Let us not,
by vivainio on Mon 17th Jan 2011 20:18 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Let us not,"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26


Oh, and it's not off-topic to call an evil man 'evil', and say I'm happy that bad things are happening to him while he's still evil.


"... the art of swordsmanship distinguishes between the sword that kills and the sword that gives life. The one that is used by a technician cannot go any further than killing.... The case is altogether different with the one who is compelled to lift the sword. For it is really not he but the sword itself that does the killing. He had no desire to harm anybody, but the enemy appears and makes himself a victim. It is though the sword automatically performs its function of justice, which is the function of mercy…. the swordsman turns into an artist of the first grade, engaged in producing a work of genuine originality."

He's not an evil man. He's just wildly succesful and playing the money & power game.

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RE[5]: Let us not,
by TheGZeus on Mon 17th Jan 2011 22:15 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Let us not,"
TheGZeus Member since:
2010-05-19

Patents are evil.
The 'App Store' policies hurt the users' freedom.
The devices he pushes have policies that take ownership away from the users.
The iFoo products have notices on their boxes that if one opens said box they agree to a contract _inside_ the box. That's not even _legal_, but they're big enough to get away with it.

It's evil.
He pushes it.
He's evil.

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RE[6]: Let us not,
by Soulbender on Tue 18th Jan 2011 10:38 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Let us not,"
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2005-08-18

You clearly have no idea what real evil is.

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RE[7]: Let us not,
by TheGZeus on Tue 18th Jan 2011 15:07 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Let us not,"
TheGZeus Member since:
2010-05-19

It's a relative term.

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RE[6]: Let us not,
by mikesum32 on Tue 18th Jan 2011 17:15 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Let us not,"
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2005-10-22

He also killed the DRM for the itunes music store. Truly evil

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RE[2]: Let us not,
by JonathanBThompson on Tue 18th Jan 2011 09:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Let us not,"
JonathanBThompson Member since:
2006-05-26

What are your sources? I think you're just green with envy, and far less of a man than he is. Yes, he's a man: a sick man, physically. Sure, one with lots of money. Seriously, though: how many people has he helped be gainfully employed? Has he killed anyone? Do you have evidence he's had a pattern of cheating people? Has he abused his wife and kids? I've not read of anything that'd say that he has: just because some number of Foxconn workers have committed suicide (statistically, fewer for the given population of workers than Americans that commit suicide) does not make him evil. Just because he's had to fire or lay off employees in the past does not make him evil: that's business, and business requires not being too soft on people that aren't doing as well as they need to be, in order to keep the whole entity from failing, which would cause the loss of far more gainful employment.

Is he perfect and does he walk in water (unless frozen)? NO! From your line of comments, it's clear you're a very petty person, and you're an opportunistic vulture, and a troll, as you've got absolutely nothing thus far in this thread to backup your wild assertions, and I'd be incredibly surprised if you did try to cite any sources. Everyone makes mistakes, myself, you, and Steve, too, and sometimes we hurt people without meaning to, but you're attempting to go out of your way to be hurtful, so who do you think you're convincing you're correct?

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Why don't he just retire?
by UltraZelda64 on Mon 17th Jan 2011 19:18 UTC
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2006-12-05

Seriously, it's obvious by now the guy's health is not very good. Pancreatic cancer, new iLiver. Anyone else and at any other company would have been fired after being "sick" too much, even in case of serious illness. Most normal businesses just don't put up with that. Besides, he's already got enough money stashed away for another 10 iLives, at least.

Edited 2011-01-17 19:25 UTC

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RE: Why don't he just retire?
by testman on Mon 17th Jan 2011 21:00 UTC in reply to "Why don't he just retire?"
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2007-10-15

Retire and do what? Waste away for several years?

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Feel sorry ... NAH
by Shkaba on Mon 17th Jan 2011 20:35 UTC
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2006-06-22

I feel sorry for those people in US who can not afford to get half of the medical treatment Steve is getting. As for Steve Jobs the person, I don't feel sorry one bit.

And no, I do not consider myself heartless. It is just that my heart goes to all those people in the world that are: dying of hunger, dying because they can not afford med care, beeing killed because they were at the wrong place in a wrong time.

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RE: Feel sorry ... NAH
by tylerdurden on Mon 17th Jan 2011 20:37 UTC in reply to "Feel sorry ... NAH"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Well, to me at least. It seems that it is not that you are heartless, as much as that you surely are selective with your heart. ;-)

To each their own I guess.

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RE: Feel sorry ... NAH
by mrhasbean on Mon 17th Jan 2011 22:11 UTC in reply to "Feel sorry ... NAH"
mrhasbean Member since:
2006-04-03

I feel sorry for those people in US who can not afford to get half of the medical treatment Steve is getting. As for Steve Jobs the person, I don't feel sorry one bit.

And no, I do not consider myself heartless. It is just that my heart goes to all those people in the world that are: dying of hunger, dying because they can not afford med care, beeing killed because they were at the wrong place in a wrong time.


So using that same philosophy you should be feeling ecstatic for those who were in the right place at the right time, who have plenty to eat and the best medical treatment their money can buy. And because he was dealt good cards and took advantage of that hand to the nth degree he's somehow not worthy of our best wishes and, if you believe in such things, prayers?

If you don't like the man why not just say nothing?

I was reading one series of posts here shaking my head in disbelief. The person involved is obviously not even intelligent enough, or maybe just too self centred, to realise how deliciously ironic his posts are. Being happy about bad things happening to a fellow human, and even wanting more bad things to happen to him, which in this person's twisted world is somehow not evil, while at the same time piously proclaiming Jobs to be evil because he has worked very hard, demanding hours for many years taking advantage of the cards he was dealt in life to created an iconic brand that is loved and hated by many worldwide.

If that's your philosophy and you want to see evil, go look in the mirror...

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RE[2]: Feel sorry ... NAH
by TheGZeus on Mon 17th Jan 2011 22:18 UTC in reply to "RE: Feel sorry ... NAH"
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2010-05-19

What? No.

I think we should be upset that he's not using a large portion of his income to help people in similar/worse positions, rather than rolling around in cash and talking shit about the competition.

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RE[2]: Feel sorry ... NAH
by Shkaba on Mon 17th Jan 2011 23:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Feel sorry ... NAH"
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2006-06-22

Well since you openned the door ... let me walk through it. Steve Jobs has passed his "best by ..." date. It is his fortune that he could pay his way through med care and prolongue his live for few more years. I didn't feel ecstatic nor sorry then, or now. I am rather indefferent to Steve's plight. An average US citizen would be dead by now if he was suffering from the same illness, not Steve's doing, but then again he didn't do anything to change that either. At least Bill tried to, (mind you, not that I am a big fan of his). This indefference doesn't make me evil, cause I am not exactly in a position to help others, Steve and Bill are ... guess which one is evil

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Jobs is obviously on the way out
by tylerdurden on Mon 17th Jan 2011 20:43 UTC
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The timing of the news is quite telling: MLK is a holiday here and the markets are closed, so it is better to release now the news than let the stock tank due to panick.

Chances are the plan is to let Tim Cook be at the helm through some successful releases in the near term (iPad 2 perhaps) to provide confidence for the investors.

Jobs is probably drained as it is and will no longer be in charge of Apple. This does not mean he is in his deathbed or anything. Probably he just does not have the energy to run a business like Apple, and with his health issues I don't think this should be a surprise to anyone. Probably being so sick gave him a chance to re-evaluate priorities, and maybe he wants to do other stuff with his life than being a salesman of shiny pieces of silicon.

Anyhow, I don't know him personally so I have not much to say about his situation. Other than I just don't wish sickness, esp. Cancer, on anyone. The sad realization is that if many of these billionaires were serious, they could fund plenty of cures for a lot of common illnesses. Alas...

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get better soon
by fran on Mon 17th Jan 2011 22:04 UTC
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I wish him good health and hope he gets better soon.
From one geek to another the next ten years is going to be so interesting in pc technology and its sad to see a man that was part of it all struck down with ill-health.

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RE: get better soon
by TheGZeus on Mon 17th Jan 2011 22:17 UTC in reply to "get better soon"
TheGZeus Member since:
2010-05-19

He was never a geek.
He _worked with_ and _hired_ geeks, but he's always been about marketing and design.

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RE[2]: get better soon
by tylerdurden on Mon 17th Jan 2011 22:25 UTC in reply to "RE: get better soon"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Yeah, he could not be possibly be a geek and also be interested in design and marketing.

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RE[3]: get better soon
by TheGZeus on Mon 17th Jan 2011 23:16 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: get better soon"
TheGZeus Member since:
2010-05-19

He could, but he isn't.

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RE[4]: get better soon
by tylerdurden on Tue 18th Jan 2011 03:11 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: get better soon"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Well, that settles it then. Obviously I don't know Mr. Jobs personally, but I gather you do. So...

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Evilness, empathy and stuff
by spiderman on Tue 18th Jan 2011 11:16 UTC
spiderman
Member since:
2008-10-23

Evilness, being good and stuff depends on your morale. Some of you are Christians, from 3 branches, each branch has several other branches, other are Jews, Muslims of several branches, Communists, whatever...
Just don't waste time arguing with people who do not share your morale. Just apply your morale to yourself and keep it to yourself and your children. Your morale just does not apply to everybody and never will.

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RE: Evilness, empathy and stuff
by TheGZeus on Tue 18th Jan 2011 15:08 UTC in reply to "Evilness, empathy and stuff"
TheGZeus Member since:
2010-05-19

Again, Moral Relativism.
Nah.

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