Linked by fran on Sat 29th Jan 2011 00:11 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems "Each time a new version of Windows is released, many computer users find that their hardware is suddenly outdated. For cash-strapped schools, upgrading to the latest hardware with each major software release is simply impossible. A New York startup called NeverWare is offering a possible solution - a server that lets even decade-old PCs upgrade to the latest Windows 7 operating system."
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Not newsworthy
by Ventajou on Sat 29th Jan 2011 00:46 UTC
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2006-10-31

So someone came up with a server preconfigured for terminal services and PXE boot? Thin client setups have been around for ages...

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RE: Not newsworthy
by sagum on Sat 29th Jan 2011 01:24 UTC in reply to "Not newsworthy"
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2006-01-23

Isn't this just Microsoft's Mutlipoint server pre-boxed up and ready to go?

www.microsoft.com/windows/multipoint/learn-more.aspx

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RE: Not newsworthy
by backdoc on Sat 29th Jan 2011 04:41 UTC in reply to "Not newsworthy"
backdoc Member since:
2006-01-14

Yea. But, he said "cloud". So, it must be new and cool.

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Remote Desktop?
by computrius on Sat 29th Jan 2011 02:38 UTC
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2006-03-26

So they've re-invented remote desktop then..

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Legal?
by Moredhas on Sat 29th Jan 2011 07:11 UTC
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2008-04-10

Wouldn't these schools get sued by Microsoft for not paying for the appropriate number of licenses? I thought they HAD a thinclient licensing program for business.

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Slightly off-topic
by Liquidator on Sat 29th Jan 2011 10:35 UTC
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2007-03-04

I have a 11-year old computer, and even when I reinstall the OS with the original CD-ROM, it's slow, how can it be slower than when I purchased it, with the same hardware and software? (actually I changed the HDD to a very good one instead). Any explanation?

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RE: Slightly off-topic
by Lennie on Sat 29th Jan 2011 11:32 UTC in reply to "Slightly off-topic"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

It probably just feels slower, because you are used to other computer(systems) which are faster.

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RE[2]: Slightly off-topic
by Liquidator on Sat 29th Jan 2011 11:57 UTC in reply to "RE: Slightly off-topic"
Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

No, the start menu takes 2 seconds to pop up. This didn't act that way back then...

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RE[3]: Slightly off-topic
by BlueofRainbow on Sat 29th Jan 2011 13:18 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Slightly off-topic"
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2009-01-06

Have all the security updates released in the last 11 years also been re-installed? The added check-points and processing related to these could do that.

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RE[4]: Slightly off-topic
by Liquidator on Sat 29th Jan 2011 14:18 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Slightly off-topic"
Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

No, not yet, it hasn't been connected to the Internet so far.

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RE[3]: Slightly off-topic
by jessta on Sat 29th Jan 2011 14:08 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Slightly off-topic"
jessta Member since:
2005-08-17

memory errors, harddisk errors.
Old hardware dies slowly as it attempts to compensate for all the errors that come up as the hardware becomes more broken.
As a user you don't see any of this, but all the re-trying and error correction impacts performance.

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RE[4]: Slightly off-topic
by Liquidator on Sat 29th Jan 2011 14:21 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Slightly off-topic"
Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

I ran memtest a while ago, and the RAM memory didn't report any error. The HDD should be OK too, it's brand new, it's a high-end Western Digital model.

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RE[5]: Slightly off-topic
by aaronb on Sat 29th Jan 2011 14:53 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Slightly off-topic"
aaronb Member since:
2005-07-06

Memtest might show that the ram is fine, but not other components. There could be many reasons why that machine is running slow. There could be a build of dust causing it to over heat. The capacitors on the motherboard may have become worn. Electromigration could be causing the CPU or Chip-set to not work as effectively.

Also the new HDD may not play well with the 11 year old computer.

Swapping components one by one (if you have spares) is really the only way to find out if you are sure it is not a software issue and not an obvious hardware fault.

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RE[6]: Slightly off-topic
by Moredhas on Sun 30th Jan 2011 06:27 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Slightly off-topic"
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2008-04-10

Seconded, about the dust thing. I have to regularly clean the dust out of mine. It runs so much quieter and is a touch faster when I do. If I leave it too long, it sounds like a jet taking off when it's idle.

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RE[5]: Slightly off-topic
by bert64 on Sat 29th Jan 2011 15:16 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Slightly off-topic"
bert64 Member since:
2007-04-23

I suspect your HD is not fully compatible with the old machine, in particular older IDE controllers (i assume being an older machine it has IDE) are unable to perform DMA for drives over a certain size, and thus the drive will be running in slow PIO mode.

I had a machine with a UDMA66 controller, a 60GB drive would perform well but anything bigger would be extremely slow.

Ofcourse, it could also be related to planned obsolescence, a lot of commercial software seems to get slower with age and speeds up again if you set the clock back and reinstall.

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RE[6]: Slightly off-topic
by Liquidator on Sat 29th Jan 2011 15:35 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Slightly off-topic"
Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

it could also be related to planned obsolescence, a lot of commercial software seems to get slower with age and speeds up again if you set the clock back and reinstall.



What you're saying is scary!

Reply Score: 2

RE[4]: Slightly off-topic
by bert64 on Sat 29th Jan 2011 15:10 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Slightly off-topic"
bert64 Member since:
2007-04-23

memory errors, harddisk errors.
Old hardware dies slowly as it attempts to compensate for all the errors that come up as the hardware becomes more broken.
As a user you don't see any of this, but all the re-trying and error correction impacts performance.


Such errors would appear in the logs... And only higher end ECC memory even performs error correction, lower end memory will just introduce corruption if it's failing.

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RE: Slightly off-topic
by Fransexy on Sat 29th Jan 2011 13:22 UTC in reply to "Slightly off-topic"
Fransexy Member since:
2005-07-29

Are you connected to internet? i hardly belive that is Microsoft itself that makes that the old version on windows behave slow (with silent "upgrades" that their only purpose is slowdown the system) on the same hardware to force people to upgrade to new sistems

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RE[2]: Slightly off-topic
by vodoomoth on Sat 29th Jan 2011 14:04 UTC in reply to "RE: Slightly off-topic"
vodoomoth Member since:
2010-03-30

Although it sounds very conspiration-theory-pushed-to-the-extreme, I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

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RE[2]: Slightly off-topic
by Liquidator on Sat 29th Jan 2011 15:09 UTC in reply to "RE: Slightly off-topic"
Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

No, this computer isn't connected to the Internet. I don't even use it for web browsing, it would be too slow rendering the pages. It has 256MB of RAM and a Pentium III 650Mhz processor.

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: Slightly off-topic
by unclefester on Sun 30th Jan 2011 02:38 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Slightly off-topic"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

Just install a linux distro using a LXDE or e17 desktop. It will be blazingly fast with those specs.

e17 will apparently run on machines as slow as a 100MHz Pentium.

Edited 2011-01-30 02:43 UTC

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RE[3]: Slightly off-topic
by kifto on Sun 30th Jan 2011 07:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Slightly off-topic"
kifto Member since:
2011-01-30

hi

I've got a dell optiplex gx110 with those specs: P3 667mHz, 256mb SDRAM, intel whitney i810E chipset and a dedicated PCI NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400 graphic card.

It actually runs windows xp sp3 and Molinux 2.0 (a spanish puppy linux clone) in a 10gb IDE quantum disk (5,5GB windows and 4GB Linux). I only use this computer to surf the web through TOR, and that is something that linux does faster than XP (the XP installation is 3 years old, but this OS only has a few apps installed).

This machine has nothing to do with my brand new (well, actually 14 months old) core i7 860, but I can use it for what I want it.

On the other hand, the planned obsolescence is something very real since the begining of the 20th century and the Phoebus cartel...nothing new

Reply Score: 1

Windows 7 options
by fran on Sat 29th Jan 2011 15:33 UTC
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2010-08-06

I wonder if there would be choice of what type of windows 7 you can run. I can imagine some the NGO's and institutions that would be interested in Windows 7 would at least have a few third party software that would need the Windows's XP vitualistation supported in Windows 7 ultimate.

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Nice marketing spin
by Soulbender on Sat 29th Jan 2011 16:41 UTC
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2005-08-18

Their typing and mouse commands are sent to the software on the server, and the imagery for their display is sent back.


Wow, marvel at the genius technology on display. Clearly such technology has not been readily available for the last 20 years....

so if we can use the power of the cloud, we can move to a more efficient model of computing,"


Sorry Mr. Marketing Dude but one central server does not a cloud make.

"What this project seems to offer is an alternative to an online operating system like Google's Chrome OS,"


I think the good professor should get out of his office more. That or stop selling his opinion to the highest bidder.

NeverWare is not unlike the One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project, says Mark Foster, a former VP of engineering with OLPC


Well, the thing is...it is actually NOTHING like OLPC. OLPC is not a thin client, it does not rely on a central server, it does not run all applications on a server. Jesus, what low-rung technology rag is this? My mom, who knows very little about computer technology, could have written a better and more informed article.

If I was cynical I'd say this product sounds almost exactly like No Machine, Terminal Services, LTSP, Remote Desktop or hundred other already existing products. I wont though because obviously a technology start-up would never spread such bullshit marketing, right? Right?

Edited 2011-01-29 16:42 UTC

Reply Score: 6

new life
by re_re on Sat 29th Jan 2011 23:34 UTC
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2005-07-06

So this could give my 3 month old i7 with 8 gigs of ram some new life? ......

Reply Score: 2

LTSP project offers this for free
by benali72 on Mon 31st Jan 2011 19:15 UTC
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2008-05-03

The Linux Terminal Server Project has offered this sort of technology for free for years.

LTSP allows you to use any old computer -- back to a P-I -- as a graphical front-end for software running on a central server.

This article tells exactly how LTSP works and includes exact numbers on dollar savings and system requirements -- //www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/linux_terminal_server.

(Contrast this to the lack of any details whatsoever at the Neverware website.)

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