Linked by Stan Brone on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 07:19 UTC
Linux Have you ever been in situations which made you think "I wish I had Linux running right now", or are you a person who just would like to try Linux quickly? Knoppix Linux might just be your thing!
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You so totally sold Knoppix short ...
by superdug on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 07:37 UTC

Here's a little better explanation ...

Have you ever been in situations which made you think "I wish I had a quick version of linux running on this machine right here that won't harm the computer or the contents of its harddrive, but still make a very useable system for me"?? or are you the type of person who wants to demostrate with examples the answer to the question all geeks get "What is linux" by throwing a CD in the computer and giving a hands on tutorial? Knoppiz Linux just might be your thing!

Knoppix is a CD-Rom based linux distribution with quite a few bells and whistles, based off of debian, and has bar-none the best hardware autodetect I have ever seen for any bootable system. Plus it comes with all the popular packages so you will be able to show everything off including but not limited to Wine and OpenOffice.

This Disk comes in mighty hand in computer labs of schools or libraries and definantelly comes in handy for a rescue disk seeing as root is disabled by default it's perfect for a questionably compromised system that needs to be analyzed and fixed. Also works wonders if you have a DeskStar harddrive that decided to die. This is the best solution for those of us that want to "take linux everywhere". Plus it's GPL, so you can give it to all your friends.

WIne?
by Jason O'Neil on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 08:21 UTC

Plus it comes with all the popular packages so you will be able to show everything off including but not limited to Wine and OpenOffice.

How well does it support running windows applications?
Because if it's anything like running wine normally on Linux it wouldn't be something I'd show of to my friends (In my experience it's been extremely hard to get working, and still doesn't work well).

Knoppix has Variety of Desktops
by supremous knopperism on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 08:26 UTC

You can switch Desktops with knoppix. Press F2 before booting and then write "knoppix desktop=gnome" (for instance) you'll see wonders.

Stan you shoudl really learn how the fu** to use a OS before you go posting articles on something 50x better then you. Linux isnt about having drivers for your Optical Mouse or getting two sound cards to work. Knoppix may seem limited becuase its on a CD but you can save files to your partitions and reuse them. Limited to Desktop Environments? No! Knoppix has more then one desktop environment for you to use, not just KDE. You shoudl really check the newest releases and read the mothafu**in cheatcodes on how to change it. KDE is slow on a system iwith less then 300mhz and 64mb ram, but ICEWM runs great on it. Also Knoppix is not just limited to CD, you shoudl try typing knx_hdinstall sometime and try running it from your harddrive after install, works well doesn't it? You may be 15 and seem l33t to your freinds cause U can test out a powerful OS and give it a crappy review, but your not even close to leet. I'm 14 and ive been on computers since I was 5, thats longer then u've seen one, learn more about the OS before you post a review, or just don't post one in the first place.

This article sucks
by jayson on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 08:50 UTC

Hellooo
Who is allowing to post this sort of junk articles?

16MB?

486 is enough?

is ur wild dreams man

Re: This article sucks
by Hiryu on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 08:57 UTC

Linux and FreeBSD will both run on a 386 with 4 megs of ram...

Do some research next time?

Another flawed statement in the article
by Tarball on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 09:06 UTC

Knoppix can save stuff to a harddisk if you want, you just have to mount it! So floppies/CDRs are not required!

Also, Re: Wine?

If you are showing off linux to your friends, why the hell would you want to show them windoze crap running through wine anyway???

Re: James
by Lee Nooks on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 09:07 UTC

Son, first thing you'll learn once you get old is to stop bragging about years of experience. This only counts when you're young: it's like saying "I'm 14 but it's only 3 months till I'm 15".

Second thing, l33t is nothing. This is much harder to explain (at least I feel it hard to understand), but thru *my* many years I've come to respect a zen attitude.

The guy did a great article. If you can do better, show it! But you can't post about Knoppix (at least not right now here), for Stan just did that.

Also, the guy is your age. You both *maybe* could work something great (who knows what?). Regarding this possibility, you're sorta shooting your own foot.

People are saying Linux users are arrogant. Formerly, they said Linux was a toy, wasn't ready for the desktop etc. etc.

Of course, this is all first-class BS -- but one of the morons may mistake your young excess of energy as arrogance.

And I've read the article. It's great. If he had talked about what you suggest the article would become bloated.

Have a nice day/night/whatever!

limitated?
by matt on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 09:30 UTC

knoppix is a wonderful thing. i once used it to rescue files from a friend's defunct windows installation. it supported an lpt zip drive out of the box and allowed her to transfer files with KDE drag-n-drop.

she didnt ask for a hdd install though ;)

PS: since when was linux "cool" enough to be used by a 15-year old? when i was 15 i just played arcade games. if someone sat me in front of unix i would have thought "boring!" and he's been doing it since he was 8?

WM choice
by MxCl on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 09:40 UTC

You can choose from many window managers by specifying the bdesktop= option at boot.

Otherwise I agree, Knoppix is great! I had trouble getting X to work in debian, so I booted knoppix and used knoppix's working xf86config as a reference.

Age Prejudice
by MxCl on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 09:43 UTC

What's this "he's not part of my gang" attitude? It's pathetic. It doesn't matter that he's 15, I admire that he was brave enough to be honest about his age. I wish I hadn't spent so many years with Windows, I'd be better off for it now if I hadn't.

I'm 14...
by wing on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 10:21 UTC

yeah, and I have roughly the same experience, I'm trying to learn how to program in C, C++ afterwards. I have a little bit of Linux experience (well I can run Gentoo efficiently, I can make an LFS system, but that's not saying much since both are very guided)...so here I go!

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My experience with Knoppix.

I finally got the 700 MB iso and burned it, and ran it. I found it to be a delight. It recognized my hardware correctly (although it detected my audigy, and it appeared to have initialized it, it didn't.)

Although I didn't really bother... by pressing f2 at the cdrom boot screen, and you put in "knoppix desktop=gnome" you will boot up the gnome de.

I was able to run programs like open office, gimp, gaim, mainly anything that I normally use when I use linux. I thought it was rather neat to be able to run knx-hdinstall and while it was installing, I could talk to my friends with gaim, browse with mozilla, etc.

I would like to note that it would be cool if you could do things like that in other distro installs. something to pass the time with.

It's debian, so it has apt-get. I liked how it had the 2.4.20 kernel, it had alot of updated things with no fuss. Although I could do this in debian with some apt-getting and editing some config files, I thought it was nice to have by default.


All in all, Knoppix is a good distro, it comes with nice hardware detection, a multitude of apps. Nice for a distro for your hd and a good livecd.


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Yeah, okay.

all in

Just great....
by OS Snooze on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 11:02 UTC

So this is what it's come down to.... 15yr olds writing articles without even the slightest understanding of linux.

The fact that ...
by Joe Wandy on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 11:15 UTC

... 15 yrs old bother to write articles about Linux is a good thing in itself. Remember that these 15 yrs old are those who are gonna replace us??

Knoppix
by smooth on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 12:19 UTC

What is this bitching about the guys age?
I think it's great he's writing about something he like.
Don't expect it to be perfect or complete, it's just a review of him and give Knoppix some attention for those who didn't know about.

Knoppix is a great Live-Cd, the best hardware-detection i experienced so far and bundled with a lot of good software.

Harddisk install? No problem!
Boot from Cd into KDE, press Ctrl-alt-F1 and type "knx-hdinstall"

More info:
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
http://www.linuxtag.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl (forum)
http://www.knoppixnet.com

More about using a Harddisk
by Eadz on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 12:28 UTC

There is a new script called knx_persistant_home, which lets you mount a loopback file as your home directory, this can be on an existing harddisk partition ( even fat32) or a Usb pendrive, zip drive etc.

more info : http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=155

Re: Joe Wandy
by Anonymous on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 14:18 UTC

".. 15 yrs old bother to write articles about Linux is a good thing in itself. Remember that these 15 yrs old are those who are gonna replace us??"

Well said....and its the truth...time to find a different career and get our life back. :-)

Knoppix
by Jay on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 14:30 UTC

Nice article, Stan! I really do need to try out Knoppix.

Oh Jesus....
by Joe on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 14:34 UTC

We got rid of Eugenia, but not the curse of her spelling. This kid has GOT to run a spellchecker at the very least.

Oh wait:
"About the Author:
Stan Broné is a 15 year old high school student who has been working with computers for over 7 years. He came to be intrested with other operating systems after reading an article about it at the age of 12."

He even spelled his BIO WRONG!

relax....
by Greg on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 14:58 UTC

I agree that the review does sell Knoppix a bit short especially failing to mention that it is a great "installable" Linux distribution( see previous post), but the fact that a 15 year old is "involved" needs to be celebrated while continuing to point out further details.
Merry Christmas

smitty

blah blah blah
by elitist bastard on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 14:58 UTC

I'm a 14 year old high school student who has been working with computers for 2,920 days (approximately 8 years). I have the proper language arts skills to write a review of an operating system. I've been running the Linux kernel and the various operating systems that depend on it, along with FreeBSD and NetBSD, for 1,217 days.

In the future, Stan, only tell people about your age if you're saying something intelligent that can't be criticized easily. Otherwise, the trolls have more flamebait, consequentially making you look stupider than the general criticism will.

KNOPPIX can be customized.
by Anonymous on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 14:59 UTC

Actually, there are ways to customize Knoppix. There are several HOWTOs on doing this here and there. To vastly oversimply, one does a harddrive install of Knoppix to a spare partition and customizes it with the standard Debian tools or just plain old fashioned tweaking. Once it's been customized to taste, it is remastered back to a CD. Of course, one does need to pay a mind to space; there are approximately 2GB of wiggle room for the entire system. The first step of most any customization is going to be removing things since KNOPPIX comes installed with pretty much everything plus the kitchen sink.

I'm going to try my hand at making a media player out of it. Basically, I intend to make a version with all of the desktop and X stuff ripped out and then install some things like Freevo and MPlayer. This will leave me with a CD that I can use to turn most any spare machine into a quick and dirty standalone video/audio player.

There's only about a million things we can do with a customizable Live CD with such excellent hardware detection. Come to think of it, I wonder how hard it would be add Nvidia's drivers to it. One couldn't redistribute the result (why do they have to be a PITA about that?) but it really would work in damn near anything then.

In reply to:
I agree that the review does sell Knoppix a bit short especially failing to mention that it is a great "installable" Linux distribution( see previous post), but the fact that a 15 year old is "involved" needs to be celebrated while continuing to point out further details.
Merry Christmas


There are many people that use Linux and BSD-deriviatives who are still in school. Some of them run it 'to be cool' (like a few people I know.) Others run it becuase they need to brag about it. Others run it because they actually think it's superior. Some just run it becuase they have a ton of computers and want something to do with them. Hardcore IRC (Internet Relay Chat) users often install Linux so they can run 'shell servers', in which they sell or give away SSH access to their machine so people can run IRC severs or bots or access IRC via a bouncer (proxy). Others run it becuase people tell them to.
Out of the 100 people I know from school (including myself), 4 of them use Linux or a BSD-derivative - and I'd say about 10-20 of them have heard of Linux and know what it is.

Go!
by Daemoni on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 15:05 UTC

What is this bitching about age?

I'm 19 myself and I find it nice that even younger guys like and are able to use Linux. I started my own Linux career when I was 14, you just can't even imagine how pain it was for 14 year old dude to install slackware 3 with foreign language (english) manuals :-P

Good work with article and happy moments with Linux!

elitist bastard
by Jay on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 15:43 UTC

Where are your articles? Where are your reviews? LOL, you really are an elitist bastard - of the worst sort.

Cheers for the 15 year old!
by dodo on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 15:57 UTC

I agree that if a 15 year old can do it, we should encourage him all the way. I did not have a chance when I wrote my first mouse driven GUI in 1984 for z80. Nowadays there is a market and a necesity for bright young fellows like him. Let him lead you the way if necessary, his brain might as well be more Linux structured than many of us who grew up without Linux.

hi Jay
by elitist bastard on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 16:35 UTC

you're in NEO? where in?

Other Live CD systems?
by Frengold on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 16:48 UTC

Are there any other good Live CD Linux Systems out there? I would love to have one based on Red Hat 8. Anyone know of others?

Good rough draft.
by Anonymous on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 17:12 UTC

That was a good rough draft. It would have gone over better if it had been spell checked, then proofread. Hopefully, the reactions the author has seen here has shown him that bad presentation can obscure what might have been good content.

Stan, if you're in highschool, you have at least one teacher who could have helped you by editing that review. Probably all of your teachers would have been happy to help that way, if you had asked politely. If your parents are able to read and write, they could have helped you to improve. ANY second set of eyes is valuable, for any author.

Now, about that content: A critic objected that knoppix couldn't run on older machines, and another replied that linux will run in 4MB of ram. Our author very nearly got it right: Knoppix needs (pasted from the Knoppix home page) `` ... 20 MB of RAM for text mode, at least 96 MB for graphics mode with KDE ... '' .

Yes, Linux will run, barely, in 4MB. I have an old machine on which I've made that happen. Knoppix uses a ram disk, and so it needs that 20MB minimum.

:P
by Stan on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 17:15 UTC

Even though, you all don't like my review, or me. I will be retrying to write editorials. And I will not give up. I WILL be trying to get my next editorial better. If this site will still be intrested in hosting it, that is.

I won't supply the subject yet. But it will be age and Linux related. This thing kind of DID got me some kind of inspired you know.

AT LEAST HE IS NOT SMOKING CRACK
by Moltek on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 17:21 UTC

If Stan would be my neighbor I would hang out with him to talk about computers, I am 26. So i dont think that to be able to post something on the internet age counts .. like someone said, stan will be "our" age someday and will replace us. I wish my 17 year old brother would be posting in OSnews !!!! dont you get it !! Stan must be a cool guy !

And James, stop having that 14 year old Marilyn Manson attitude. You sound a bit immature. Listen to the masters.

Love,
Moltek

no prob Stan :)
by hirisov on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 17:40 UTC

Hi!

Thanks for your review, not bad at all for the first time. Be honest, sincere, listen to the critices and you'll be okay i think. I also think it would be good to consult a more experienced user next time before posting, but none of us perfect ;) It's normal you don't know everything at age of 15, comp sciences are hard to learn, but you don't have to be a professor to write your opinions. Have fun w/ knoppix, and keep up w/ good work.

bye, hirisov

A good attempt?
by cochese on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 17:44 UTC

Everyone is a reviewer these days. Also, it seems that everyone must spit out how many years of experience they have on a computer, as if it adds some sort of credibility. Well, my mom's been using a computer for 10 years - but she still has trouble with the "Connect to the Internet" wizard.

With a review, it's all about (relevant) content, my friends. Unfortunately, this article doesn't have it. Spelling mistakes abound, as well as copious! use! of! exclamation! marks! Yeah he's fifteen - but last I checked you got out of grammar school when you were thirteen.

I'm slowly losing faith in OSNews. It *used* to be interesting, now it's just becoming sloppy seconds for angry slashdot posters.

cochese

Grammer
by Anonymous on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 18:19 UTC

You are forgetting that his native language is not English.

give me a break
by cochese on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 19:12 UTC

That should be no excuse, and unfortunately I've seen it used many times on OSNews. Spell check exists in many major word processors for a reason.

This article comes across as amateurish and sloppy. For a popular site like OSNews, there should be a little more care taken before articles are posted. I really don't care how old the author is or what his native language is. I want to be able to read the article and take it seriously.

To Stan regarding negative comments on you article
by Iconoclast on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 19:36 UTC

Stan, I think you did a good job with your article. I think something that many people don't realize is when you write an article you simply can't say everything there is to say. Time, space and energy constraints limit you and you have to do the best you can given those limitations. It's sad that people can't appreciate what others give them for free without whining about it and claiming impotently that they could do better.

I have written several articles and am currently working on a book. I have received a lot of unsolicited criticism from people over the years. My view on it is constructive criticism is useful to me and helps me write better in the future. Negative criticism is worthless drivel. I hope to read other articles from you in the future.

Knoppix
by Phil Hall on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 19:40 UTC

486 processor
16MB RAM (128MB Reccomended for running in graphical mode)
Bootable CD-ROM drive
SVGA compatible graphics card
A PS/2, Serial or IMPS/2 compatible mouse

I tried Knoppix on 2 friend's computers; one running a 266 Mhz with 256 MB RAM, the other running a 300 Mhz with 128 MB RAM. Knoppix wouldn't boot up on either of them, although I had them both set to boot from the same CD-ROM I boot from. When running on my machine, it wouldn't pick up my soundcard, an Avance AC'97. Other than that, I like it. It's the best of the live CD's, and pretty fully-featured.

Leave the kid alone. So he's not experienced as everyone else. He's taken the time to write a subjective article. There are some elitist snobs in the Linux community; I see their posts every time I read responses to someone else's article on this site, including this article. Why don't some of you loud-mouths get off your butt and write an intelligent article yourself instead of just taking shots at someone who does?

RE: Joe
by Iconoclast on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 19:50 UTC

We got rid of Eugenia, but not the curse of her spelling. This kid has GOT to run a spellchecker at the very least.

Oh wait:
"About the Author:
Stan Broné is a 15 year old high school student who has been working with computers for over 7 years. He came to be intrested with other operating systems after reading an article about it at the age of 12."

He even spelled his BIO WRONG!


I'm with Mark Twain on this one.

"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great."

Re: many things :-)
by Lee Nooks on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 20:00 UTC

>> Even though, you all don't like my review, or me.

Don't generalize, my friend. Not everyone is a troll or moron. IMHO, the article is good and you may have a bright future is technical journalism, if you choose so. Also, don't take too seriously those "age" comments. Ideas come to inspired people, regardless of age... And remember that when everybody mocks you because you're 80.

To Cochese:
>> Spell check exists in many major word processors for a reason.

Sorry, it doesn work. Period.

Too many times, Americans type "their" when they mean "there", "your" instead of "you're", "its" x "it's", "cochese" where it should be "Cochise" etc. Spell checkers approve all this, all the time.

Also, spell checking in languages other than English is a whole different story. In Portuguese (my native language), for instance, it doesn't work well in Word (at my job).

Yet, spell checking is a poor device for those grammar-impaired. It's mere existence atests the low level of our time's education standards.

Still, it's English not Latin, ok? No need to freak out if someone makes a mistake.

Finally, it ain't that bad... I read the article and it conforms to common internet writing style, however odd it may be.

nothing wrong with being 15, but...
by stopdabombing on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 20:27 UTC

Yes it's cool a 15 year old is interested and motivated enough to write a linux review. Kudos. I hope his interests continue developing, and truly wish him the best.

Having said all that though, one wonders is this the function of OSNews? I come to OSNews for hardcore news and discussion. This review, on its merits was poor - and should not have been posted. I understand the 15 year old needs to be encouraged and feel validated, but this is not the site to do it on IMHO. If his review had been great, then it wouldn't matter how old he is. As happens, if a 21 year old wrote this, we'd come down on him like a ton of bricks for a sub-standard "review" (of what??), but because he's 15 we say "wow, nice to encourage a 15 year old". Keep the quality high, and the focus laser-sharp: hardcore OS news and discussion, no disccounts and no prejudice ONE WAY OR ANOTHER due to age, religion, sex, etc. Strictly tech. Strictly merit. JMHO.

Great article, keep at it
by Anonymous on Mon 23rd Dec 2002 21:20 UTC

Did anybody notice he's posting from The Netherlands! He's not even writing in his own mother language. All the more power to him!

Stan, if you do ALT-F1 you also have root access to the system.

Then, you press ALT-F5, you're back in the graphical shell.

Cheers, Jo

(from Belgium, so also speaking Dutch as the first language)

Keep up the good work!

good and bad
by kc8kgu on Tue 24th Dec 2002 04:03 UTC

Dear Stan,

Don't give up. I'd like to see more of your work here. I'm glad to see a young person take in interest in linux. It's great that you have the courage to write, for the whole world to see, a review of a distribution that has caught your eye. You have done something that many adults here who have criticized you here wouldn't even consider trying. And you've done it without monitary gain for the good of the community. Bravo!

But... I do have a couple of recommendations for you.

First - in emails to friends or comments on a message board, spelling and grammar are optional. However, they are not optional for an Op-Ed piece on a semi-professional news site. I understand that english may not be your native tongue and that you may have expected the administrators of this site to proofread your writing. Whatever the case, your spelling and grammar are weak - make sure it is reviewed. But, I would bet you have aleardy learned that lesson.

Second - check your facts. Check your pro's twice and your con's thrice. There are a couple of glaring errors in your relativly small review: desktop options and persistentness of data. I won't warm over the counter claims given elsewhere - and i'm sure you've confirmed that you were wrong aleardy.

Finally, as I said before - don't get discouraged. Keep trying. I look forward to reading your next piece. If you wan't i'll proofread it for you ;-) just email it to me.

Daniel (KC8KGU)
-.-. --.- -.. . -.- -.-. ---.. -.- --. ..-

15 year olds
by Jason O'Neil on Tue 24th Dec 2002 07:12 UTC

PS: since when was linux "cool" enough to be used by a 15-year old?

I'm fifteen, I've been using Linux for a year, and love it. At my high school, you would be surprised by the number of nerds. A significant number of them use Linux, or are interested.

Just to prove my point, it was a fourteen year old who organised the install fest at our local lug (Linux Users Group).

Oh Yeah
by Jason O'Neil on Tue 24th Dec 2002 07:15 UTC

Clicked Submit to early...

I am a web programmer (I can do many things with PHP & MySQL), and am in the process of learning C++, and am getting along nicely.

Just cause your young doesn't mean you can't be nerdy
We use computers for something other than games / MSN.

Did not find PCI modem
by Old Guy on Tue 24th Dec 2002 15:39 UTC

I just bought a U.S. Robotics 56k PCI modem that claims to be supportable by Linux. It expects that Linux will show device /dev/ttyX. Knoppix 3.1 does not show the device.
The modem does work in Windows 98 original edition.

re: 15 year olds
by matt on Tue 24th Dec 2002 16:22 UTC

I'm fifteen, I've been using Linux for a year, and love it. ... I am a web programmer (I can do many things with PHP & MySQL), and am in the process of learning C++, and am getting along nicely.

just one question: why?

there are 2 reasons to use linux at home: freedom and cheapness. i can understand not wanting to shell out several hundred dollars (US or AU) for a new version of XP, but (judging by my own childhood) i really wasnt political at all...

don't get me wrong: i think being into linux/computers very young is a great hobby and can give you a big head start, i'm just really interested in a 15 year old's motivation for using linux - i mean, its not exactly easy, and there are no immediate rewards.

Ack, shut up about the age already ...
by SuperDuG on Tue 24th Dec 2002 17:51 UTC

Okay, so by the age of 3 I stopped crapping in my pants (everyone proud??). I've been using linux since kernel 2.0.x series came out (right about the time it was useable) and when redhat had just started the 4.x series (this was when a kernel was so different from release to release. And when I started I was 13 years old (yes that would make me mid-20's now) and I was on top of the world.

I could make a webpage, make a server, make linux seem pretty cool, but it wasn't until the 9 years later that I realized that there was more to linux and the entire "open source" bit that linux claimed to fame. I began to learn what exactly the kernel does and how to hunt and find bugs and fix them. I began to understand the idea of dependencies and why simply putting a program into binary form wasn't exactly so simple.

Let's just put it this way, back when I was a teenager, I was an expert on linux and tried to absorb everything I could about it whenever I could, now that I'm a Computer Science Student at college, I am still learning, I don't know when exactly I stopped being an expert, but it did happen. For everyone out there that is old and doesn't understand why these teenagers are so uppity (they're tired of being considered their stupid because of their age) and for everyone out there that's young and doesn't understand why all these old people think you're stupid (they've got more experience than you, and that's worth its weight in gold). So now you know, teenagers can be very smart indeed and adults can have much experience indeed. I guess I'm just lucky to be young enough to remember what it was like back then and also to respect my peers with more experience.

Linux is more than installing Mandrake and not using windows anymore.

WTF?
by tinic on Tue 24th Dec 2002 23:07 UTC

Damnid, the least you can expect is that 'editors' run a spell check on their stuff and reread it at least once for missing verbs. I do not expect perfect grammar, but this is simply unacceptable. This made me stop reading after the first paragraph.

Amendments required!
by hohum on Thu 26th Dec 2002 01:16 UTC

On reading the following review of Knoppix Linux:

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2435 "My Take on Knoppix Linux"
"By Contributing Editor Stan Brone - Posted on 2002-12-23 07:19:17"

I'll only comment on the last bits:

I noted that the statements, being the last sentences: "You will also not be able to save or write anything on your harddrive. So remind to buy a package of floppydisks or CD-R's! "... is incorrect. You can in fact write to partitions
(hard disks) using Knoppix.

The pre-requisite to writing to a disk using Knoppix are:

1: Prior to mounting a partition/disk you must remove knoppix's 'Read Only'protection to the required partition/disk.

1a: If the partition/disk is already mounted, you must unmount it first.

1b: Right click on the partition/disk to be mounted then, select > Properties > Device and un-check the box titled 'Read Only' then close the window.

2: Mount the partition/disk.

The permissions of the partition/disk you wish to access will determine the writing to the disk amongst it's other permissions. i.e; Fat32 no permissions required, Ext3 permissions required. As a quick test on a standard Gnu/Linux system such as Lycoris you can test write to the /tmp directory without restrictions. Ensure you also allocate permissions to the file so that you can then remove the file from within the OS you wrote to.

Anyone wishing to try or know about Knoppix should visit the Knoppix site.
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html available in several languages and or
the Knoppix Forums http://www.linuxtag.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl

A suggestion for you stan: There is no point in reviewing something using specifics unless you first understand what you are reviewing.