Linked by paolone on Thu 3rd Feb 2011 22:24 UTC
Amiga & AROS Icaros Desktop, the distribution for i386 PC of the AROS Research Operating System (an open source revival of classic AmigaOS) reached version 1.2.6 and introduces new improvements and features.
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Intriguing
by FreeGamer on Thu 3rd Feb 2011 23:21 UTC
FreeGamer
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2007-04-13

I'm going to have to try this out!

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v 7-Zip
by Mage66 on Fri 4th Feb 2011 03:22 UTC
RE: 7-Zip
by ChoK on Fri 4th Feb 2011 03:32 UTC in reply to "7-Zip"
ChoK Member since:
2010-06-02

7z is not proprietary, the specs are documented and 7-zip sources are available under the LGPL.

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RE: 7-Zip
by TheOtherPJ on Fri 4th Feb 2011 03:54 UTC in reply to "7-Zip"
TheOtherPJ Member since:
2006-07-18

http://www.7-zip.org/

Free, Flossy, and their tool is a big improvement over winrar on windows...

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RE: 7-Zip
by umccullough on Fri 4th Feb 2011 04:19 UTC in reply to "7-Zip"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

There's a reason everyone used ZIP compression. It's a standard, and widely supported. 7z files aren't.


.zip is also ancient and inefficient (space-wise) compared to newer compression methods such as bz2, 7z, and xz - time to get out of the stone age eh?

I've been using 7zip (software) exclusively for all my archiving needs on Windows for years now - it creates ultra-tight .zip files too for those who need compatibility.

Edited 2011-02-04 04:19 UTC

Reply Score: 5

RE[2]: 7-Zip
by AmigaRobbo on Fri 4th Feb 2011 07:50 UTC in reply to "RE: 7-Zip"
AmigaRobbo Member since:
2005-11-15

So why didn't they use it create an 'Ultra-tight' standard openable on everything .zip file? Instead of something that requires the user to spend 5-10 minutes finding some obscure often strange program that opens it?

They want people to try this, why add the additional step? to save 4 or 5 MB of a 216.3MB download?

Reply Score: 1

RE[3]: 7-Zip
by ruinevil on Fri 4th Feb 2011 08:10 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: 7-Zip"
ruinevil Member since:
2009-01-08

You don't have 7z on your Linux systems? It's better than unrar at least. It can decompress most anything, and follows the magic code method to determine which algorithm the file is compressed with, like BSDtar does. It does not have the stupid GNUtar dependence on file extensions.

7z has to follow the magic key method because it analyzes the files to be archived and uses one of multiple algorithms to compress the files. It could be compressed by either LZMA or bzip2.

7-zip is THE BEST lossless data compression program on Windows.

Get with the times.

If they wanted something really esoteric, they would have compressed the file in a PAQ* compression, which would give them awesome compression, but take all your system resources and 4 days to decompress.

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RE[3]: 7-Zip
by TheGZeus on Fri 4th Feb 2011 08:57 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: 7-Zip"
TheGZeus Member since:
2010-05-19

Maybe because they're working on a research OS, so the idea of an "extra step" as tiny as installing 7z isn't considered a big deal... because it isn't.

Yeesh.

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RE: 7-Zip
by Bobthearch on Fri 4th Feb 2011 06:04 UTC in reply to "7-Zip"
Bobthearch Member since:
2006-01-27

The nice thing (for users) about .zip files is that Windows can extract those without any additional software.

But what a minor thing to upset about. Just install one of the multi-format compression utilities; you'll undoubtedly need it more than just this once.

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v RE[2]: 7-Zip
by Mage66 on Fri 4th Feb 2011 06:19 UTC in reply to "RE: 7-Zip"
RE[3]: 7-Zip
by TheGZeus on Fri 4th Feb 2011 07:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: 7-Zip"
TheGZeus Member since:
2010-05-19

"WAAAAAAA!!!"

Shaddap, whiner.

Reply Score: 3

RE[3]: 7-Zip
by righard on Fri 4th Feb 2011 10:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: 7-Zip"
righard Member since:
2007-12-26

He did not seem unfriendly to me at all.

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RE: 7-Zip
by paolone on Fri 4th Feb 2011 09:16 UTC in reply to "7-Zip"
paolone Member since:
2007-09-24

1. The Live! version come in a auto-extracting archive, so you won't have to install anything to extract it. If you don't use Windows but Linux, you are supposed to rename the file cutting the '.exe' and leaving just the final '.7z' extension, and there are 90% chances that your distribution's file and package managers will be able to handle it. If you're using MacOS, than you'll probably have to spend 5 minutes of your time to download 7zip.

2. As other said, 7zip is open, free, and produces smaller archives than classic zip. Smaller archives means also minor download time, minor spent energy, and also minor bandwidth used to transfer the file. A difference of a few dozens megabytes over a 700 MB file might seems small for a single user downloading it, but when downloads are some thousands, they turn into many gigabytes or even a terabyte off. I think you can easily figure the economic and ecologic gain of it.

3. I can't exactly understand why a person that makes downloading of a single program a problem, should download and install a whole new operating system that will bring him the necessity of learning everything from scratch. You have issues downloading and installing a little, simple, tiny file decompressor... what will you do when you'll not find your 'explorer', your 'firefox' or your 'opera' anymore?

4. Your trolling about the 7zip issue had success: nobody actually talked about the distribution, about AROS progresses, about all the efforts we put into this, but you succeeded turning this thread into a compilation of obvious answers. All this with a pathetic rant about a compression format. Applause.

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RE: 7-Zip
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 4th Feb 2011 09:25 UTC in reply to "7-Zip"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

My only problem is the developers insistence on using a proprietary compression method on their files.

I just don't want to install 7-Zip just to de-crypt one file. Complaints to the developers go unheeded.

There's a reason everyone used ZIP compression. It's a standard, and widely supported. 7z files aren't.

The developers of AROS are more interested in forcing their compression program preference on users than providing something that user can use. There really isn't a reason to compress .iso files anyway.


You want to download and use en entirely new experimental operating system, yet complain about having to install 7-zip?

Fail.

Reply Score: 5

RE[2]: 7-Zip
by tylerdurden on Fri 4th Feb 2011 23:49 UTC in reply to "RE: 7-Zip"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Ha! exactly.

Hater's gonna hate ;-)

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RE: 7-Zip
by viton on Fri 4th Feb 2011 11:25 UTC in reply to "7-Zip"
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

7-zip is a modern open compression format.
ZIP was proprietary, but 7-zip is free and opensource.

BTW everyone around me has 7-zip installed.
Maybe it is a time to leave the ancient cage you're in?

Edited 2011-02-04 11:30 UTC

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successful troll is successful
by strim on Fri 4th Feb 2011 11:54 UTC
strim
Member since:
2008-07-01

Woah, 1 comment about AROS, 14 about 7-zip so far.

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Beautiful!
by Tuxie on Fri 4th Feb 2011 15:34 UTC
Tuxie
Member since:
2009-04-22

If I had a computer with GMA900 graphics I'd probably be running Icaros now. I'm a huge Amiga fan and I have played with AROS every now and then since the 90s. It's amazing how far it has come in just the last year considering how little user-visible progress there were the last 15 years.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Beautiful!
by ncafferkey on Fri 4th Feb 2011 22:25 UTC in reply to "Beautiful!"
ncafferkey Member since:
2006-09-15

AROS also supports a lot of nVidia cards and some ATI ones. VESA modes work well in most cases too.

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Bochs emulation speed
by Neolander on Fri 4th Feb 2011 18:14 UTC
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Member since:
2010-03-08

Whoever would complain about Bochs' emulation speed would be missing the whole point of this piece of software, in my opinion.

Bochs is about fine-tuned, highly accurate x86(_64) emulation. You can emulate a wide range of processors and processor capabilities with it, and it has some pedantic obstination in closely mimicking the behavior of some real-world BIOSes, CPUs, buses, etc, save for some tricks like the zeroed-out RAM and the e9 port hack.

This makes it a perfect fit for OS development. But when you want to emulate a stable OS for testing purposes, you generally don't want all this stuff, just something which runs as fast as possible, which is noticeable implying an emulated machine which is as close to the hardware you run it on as possible (to reduce the emulation overhead). The design decisions of software suited for this purpose, like VirtualBox, reflect that.

Edited 2011-02-04 18:16 UTC

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"No bootable media"
by gireesh on Sat 5th Feb 2011 01:37 UTC
gireesh
Member since:
2005-07-24

I am still getting "No bootable media" when I install Aros on my computer. I have tried almost everything but no luck. See this forum post for all the gory details.
http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5497&foru...
I have tried ATA=nodma, ATA=32bit, tried passing root=/dev/sda12 to the kernel line but no dice.
I really would like to try it out..

Reply Score: 1

Comment by paolone
by paolone on Sun 6th Feb 2011 21:40 UTC
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Member since:
2007-09-24

@neolander

No one is complaining about bochs speed. That's just a warn to everyone accustomed to Vbox/VMware expecting the same speed. It's a great satisfaction having Bochs running inside AROS, but for many reasons I'd love to see some different virtualization solutions being ported too. If somebody would try...

@gyressh
Maybe your computer has too much partitions, and AROS grub2 isn't able to handle them correctly? A brighter future will come, thanks to the fact that next AROS GRUB2 will be the normal GRUB2 every other operating system already know, but for now I'd suggest to install AROS on a USB pendrive and try booting straight from it.

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