Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th Feb 2011 19:53 UTC
Internet Explorer After an already long development path, Microsoft has just released the release candidate for Internet Explorer 9, their attempt at turning the tide. They've looked at an impressive 17000 pieces of feedback for the release candidate, and they made lots of changes.
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WebGL support?
by jacquouille on Thu 10th Feb 2011 20:17 UTC
jacquouille
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2006-01-02

Has anyone heard about any WebGL plans from Microsoft?

If they don't support it, I'm afraid we're going to stay stuck with Flash (at least as a fallback) for a very long time...

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Comment by Drumhellar
by Drumhellar on Thu 10th Feb 2011 20:21 UTC
Drumhellar
Member since:
2005-07-12

I like it so far.

I wish the favorite's bar had the glass theme like the the address bar and tab bar, though. Doesn't seem to quite fit.

So far, it seems really snappy.

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http://html5test.com/ score
by Lennie on Thu 10th Feb 2011 20:32 UTC
Lennie
Member since:
2007-09-22

chrome 10: 244
ff 4 beta: 197
opera 11: 177
safari 5: 165
ff 3.6: 139
ie9rc: 116
ie8: 27

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RE: http://html5test.com/ score
by jacquouille on Thu 10th Feb 2011 20:35 UTC in reply to "http://html5test.com/ score"
jacquouille Member since:
2006-01-02

Don't use html5test.com. It's meaningless. It just checks that the browser claims to support groups of feature. It doesn't actually check anything.

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RE[2]: http://html5test.com/ score
by Lennie on Thu 10th Feb 2011 20:36 UTC in reply to "RE: http://html5test.com/ score"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Yeah, I know. It is more an indication or intent.

How about an acid3-test: 95 out of 100 (same as beta). IE8 only got 20.

That is atleast something, a lot of support for a lot of CSS.

Edited 2011-02-10 20:41 UTC

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jacquouille Member since:
2006-01-02

Acid3 is indeed a real test. If only they'd fix it so it doesn't require SVG fonts anymore. This part of the SVG spec has even recently been downgraded to non-normative, because everyone knows it's broken. Its main effect has been to uselessly penalize Firefox (which refused to implement it).

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RE[2]: http://html5test.com/ score
by lemur2 on Thu 10th Feb 2011 21:40 UTC in reply to "RE: http://html5test.com/ score"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Don't use html5test.com. It's meaningless. It just checks that the browser claims to support groups of feature. It doesn't actually check anything.


html5test.com doesn't even check for HTML5 features. For example, it scores points for h264 codec support, which is NOT part of HTML5.

PS: According to Ars
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/02/internet-explorer-9-r...
"Over the past year, we've seen SVG and canvas graphics, WOFF Web fonts, a whole bunch of CSS features, HTML5 <video> and more added to the browser."

Let's be very clear here ... insofar as it goes, one has to really applaud Microsoft's efforts to be standards-compliant with IE9. This is good news.

It is perhaps disappointing that XP users will be left out, but then again, XP users can use Firefox or Chrome and not be left out, so not a big issue even there.

Edited 2011-02-10 21:47 UTC

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RE: http://html5test.com/ score
by Kroc on Thu 10th Feb 2011 21:26 UTC in reply to "http://html5test.com/ score"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

No text-shadow.

Incredible.

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RE[2]: http://html5test.com/ score
by Lennie on Thu 10th Feb 2011 22:01 UTC in reply to "RE: http://html5test.com/ score"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

And no: border-image, flexible boxmodel, css columns, css gradients, CSS Transitions, webgl, History Management, applicationCache, IndexedDB, Web Workers.

But atleast we get inline SVG, hashchange, Drag and Drop, etc.

Atleast if I test on and compare with Firefox 4 beta:

http://www.modernizr.com/

Some I would have considered essential though. :-(

I thought webworkers was promissed ?

Edited 2011-02-10 22:07 UTC

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Fuzzy Text
by Drumhellar on Thu 10th Feb 2011 20:32 UTC
Drumhellar
Member since:
2005-07-12

Whether it's the fuzzy but shape-accurate Mac OS X variant, or the sharp but shape-inaccurate variant in Windows - they're both fine as long as it's an either-or thing!


What's most glaring is web pages render with the fuzzy text, but the IE9 interface appears has the sharp text.

It isn't even consistent within the app.

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Tabbar history lesson ;)
by plague on Thu 10th Feb 2011 23:35 UTC
plague
Member since:
2006-05-08

Sadly, you can't place these tabs atop the address bar where it belongs according to the Gospel Of Chrome (the One True browser interface).

You do know that Opera placed the tabs atop the address bar waaaay earlier than Google Chrome?
They introduced tabs in version 4.0, released June 2000:
http://files.myopera.com/Vectronic/OperaVersions/Opera4.02.png
Here, the tabs are on top, and the address bar is at the bottom of the page, but I do believe it could be moved to the top of the page in the preferences.
But even if it couldn't, the addressbar was placed at the top of the page, right below the tabs, in version 5.0, released December 2000:
http://files.myopera.com/Vectronic/OperaVersions/Opera5.02.png

No biggie, but credit where credit is due.. ;)

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RE: Tabbar history lesson ;)
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 10th Feb 2011 23:44 UTC in reply to "Tabbar history lesson ;)"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Yes, but that wasn't the default. I used Opera in those days, and iirc, you could MOVE them there, but it wasn't the default.

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RE[2]: Tabbar history lesson ;)
by Stratoukos on Fri 11th Feb 2011 00:30 UTC in reply to "RE: Tabbar history lesson ;)"
Stratoukos Member since:
2009-02-11

I've been using Opera since 9.24, released about a year before the first release Chrome, and the tabs were definitely on top by default.

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RE[2]: Tabbar history lesson ;)
by Drumhellar on Fri 11th Feb 2011 04:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Tabbar history lesson ;)"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

They were above the address bar originally. If I remember correctly, you couldn't move them UNDER the bar (less you had it at the bottom of the screen)

But, that was a long time ago.

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RE[2]: Tabbar history lesson ;)
by plague on Fri 11th Feb 2011 17:10 UTC in reply to "RE: Tabbar history lesson ;)"
plague Member since:
2006-05-08

Well I can't say for absolute certain how Operas tabbbar was placed by default in version 4/5 as I only started using Opera at version 7, but that version most definitely had the tabbar placed above the addressbar, by default. Just like Chrome, only waaay earlier still (January 2003). ;)

Granted, Chrome was first to successfully remove the menus and move the tabs into the titlebar. But that's another thing entirely.

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still the same shit
by tabinho on Fri 11th Feb 2011 02:07 UTC
tabinho
Member since:
2011-02-11

no box-shadow, no transitions, slow as hell, jquery not working. no thanks, I'll keep using chrome.

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RE: still the same shit
by lucas_maximus on Sat 12th Feb 2011 12:19 UTC in reply to "still the same shit"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Err ...

I am on the jQuery site with it, and it works fine.

As for slow, it isn't as fast as chrome but hell of a lot faster than IE8.

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Problem with images?
by Ventajou on Fri 11th Feb 2011 02:53 UTC
Ventajou
Member since:
2006-10-31

Don't know if it's the proxy here at work but somehow IE9 seems to be having trouble downloading some images. I don't have that issue with FF4.

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Comment by kvarbanov
by kvarbanov on Fri 11th Feb 2011 08:57 UTC
kvarbanov
Member since:
2008-06-16

I had to remove IE8 from my W7 installation, it was crashing badly, in a ways I've never seen in my 18 years computer experience. W7 Premium 32 bit installed on a pretty modern PC, IE was horror. I can't update it, so I removed it. Happy with both Chrome and FF. They lost me completely, so no go for 9RC, I don't really care if it's better, I just don't believe them.

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RE: Comment by kvarbanov
by Al2001 on Fri 11th Feb 2011 13:25 UTC in reply to "Comment by kvarbanov"
Al2001 Member since:
2005-07-06

Somebody actually modded this troll up.

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RE: Comment by kvarbanov
by BluenoseJake on Fri 11th Feb 2011 19:49 UTC in reply to "Comment by kvarbanov"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

You didn't remove IE 8 from Win 7, it comes win IE 8. You just hid it.

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subsider34
Member since:
2010-11-08

It's called KB2454826. While the description page doesn't explicitly say that it fixes the font-rendering issue, it does mention "...a set of performance and functionality updates for graphics...".

Furthermore, after installing the update, Firefox 4b8 with DirectWrite enabled (through about:config) started rendering light text on a dark background correctly (the text no longer looks as if it were bolded). If you haven't already installed this update, I highly recommend you do so as it also provides updates for the MediaFoundation and XPS components of Windows 7.

For more info on the bug see:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1775755

To download the patch see:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2454826

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