Linked by Hadrien Grasland on Sun 13th Feb 2011 18:56 UTC, submitted by Debjit
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "According to the original release schedule, the final release of Ubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narhwal" on 28th April was to be preceded by a Release Candidate on 21st April. [However, said] Release Candidate has been scrapped and in its place, the Release Team has added a second beta on 14th April. The changes has been necessitated by the fact that 21st April is just before Easter and, so, many developers and testers would be unavailable during the time."
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kragil
Member since:
2006-01-04

Unity is just a unfinished mess. I don't think it will usable before 12.04. That is likely the real plan, but I don't plan being an alpha/beta tester. There are other distros/interfaces.

Has anyone tried Unity and liked the experience?

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bd4e Member since:
2007-01-27

I tried it at alpha2 (about 2 weeks ago) and while i cannot say i was pleased with the experience (some parts like dash were still missing at the time) it was surprisinlgy stable (more stable than 10.10 at least).

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*COUGH* bull$#it *COUGH* *COUGH*
by Fusion on Sun 13th Feb 2011 20:21 UTC
Fusion
Member since:
2005-07-18

Easter always falls on, around or during the beta/RC/release dates of **.04 since Feisty Fawn (7.04) but has never caused an actual delay in testing or release. And since when are all testers and developers Christian? This isn't the spin-off distro "Ubuntu Christian Edition"...

I suppose the Ubuntu's main branch became more 'religulous' this year. =)~

*SNORE*

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Anonymous Coward Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm not Christian, but enough people are Christian for the Good Friday/Easter weekend to be a long weekend. I don't know about you, but I plan trips and such on long weekends.

I figure, I spend so many of my regular weekends trying to avoid but still ultimately working, I ought to enjoy the extended weekends as much as I can.

On the other hand, this could possibly explain why I have always had a better experience with .10 releases than .04 releases.

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steogede2 Member since:
2007-08-17

[q]I'm not Christian, but enough people are Christian for the Good Friday/Easter weekend to be a long weekend. I don't know about you, but I plan trips and such on long weekends.[/q

Indeed, the Easter holidays are public holidays in most of the 'western' world - guess where most Ubuntu staff, contributors and users live? In addition to Easter, in the UK we also have the royal wedding and May holidays the weekend after Easter. This could all potentially play havoc with their release schedule. It is a little worrying that they only realised that it might be a problem now.

With regard Fusion's point about *.04 release being near easter, the deadline for the *.04 release (i.e. the end of April) has never occurred this close to Easter before (i.e. in the life of Ubuntu) and won't do again until 2038.

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Fusion Member since:
2005-07-18

With regard Fusion's point about *.04 release being near easter, the deadline for the *.04 release (i.e. the end of April) has never occurred this close to Easter before (i.e. in the life of Ubuntu) and won't do again until 2038.


No. I said on, around or during the <BOLD> beta, RC, or release </BOLD> date<U>s</u> of **.04 since Feisty Fawn... meaning that span of dates between March and April ('near easter') where these various development milestone ISOs are distributed. Previous betas/RCs have crossed tightly with Easter in the past.

In fact, they are not even delaying the final release date. I was simply making a (very *tongue-in-cheek*) point that proximity to Easter has never before been used to justify demoting and/or delaying any development milestone in the past... it's silly.

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Canonical is slipping...
by cmost on Sun 13th Feb 2011 20:39 UTC
cmost
Member since:
2006-07-16

Now that Ubuntu is the undisputed king of distros (by some opinions anyway) am I the only one who notices how each new release slips just a little bit more in quality and polish? Now they're skipping release candidates? Apparently, Canonical thinks it's the Microsoft or Apple of the Linux world; it will give its users what it decides is best on its schedule and they'll either like it or be damned. No thanks Canonical.

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RE: Canonical is slipping...
by stabbyjones on Sun 13th Feb 2011 22:11 UTC in reply to "Canonical is slipping..."
stabbyjones Member since:
2008-04-15

They've slipped since 5.04 but that hasn't really changed much as far as popularity is concerned.

Sometimes it's like they've picked a Debian snapshot right when bugs are at a peak.

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RE: Canonical is slipping...
by flanque on Sun 13th Feb 2011 23:22 UTC in reply to "Canonical is slipping..."
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

Depends on the hardware you got I guess, but for my laptop which carries an Intel GM whatever graphics card, that's definately true.

All I hear are excuses and I have to deal with crappy boot time options, etc just to start the darn thing up.

Slip in Fedora and it works straight away.

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RE: Canonical is slipping...
by nt_jerkface on Mon 14th Feb 2011 00:43 UTC in reply to "Canonical is slipping..."
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

No I think it has always been overrated.

The improvements in hardware compatibility come from the kernel, not Ubuntu.

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RE: Canonical is slipping...
by ozonehole on Mon 14th Feb 2011 02:24 UTC in reply to "Canonical is slipping..."
ozonehole Member since:
2006-01-07

Now that Ubuntu is the undisputed king of distros (by some opinions anyway) am I the only one who notices how each new release slips just a little bit more in quality and polish?


I haven't noticed that at all. Indeed, 10.10 was the most stable and polished release I've seen yet. No crashes, freezes, configuration problems, noticeable bugs, or anything - not a hiccup.

With 11.04, the big issue is the Unity interface which is indeed a major change. I played with an alpha-2 live CD, but haven't installed it yet, so I haven't used it enough yet to decide if I like Unity or not. However, I currently run the Lubuntu desktop on 10.10, so Unity is of no great importance to me personally. If you're a Unity hater, all you've go to do is type...

sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop

You've also got the option for xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop. You can even install Gnome as a desktop. So I think people are making too much out of this Unity-as-default issue. But if it's a big deal, there are always other distros.

To listen to all the bitter complaining, you'd think people were actually paying for their freely-downloaded Ubuntu CDs.

Edited 2011-02-14 02:26 UTC

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RE[2]: Canonical is slipping...
by shotsman on Mon 14th Feb 2011 07:27 UTC in reply to "RE: Canonical is slipping..."
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

If 10.10 is so brilliant:-
Why have a number of Ubuntu die hards I know gone back to the world of Stability that is Debian? Several of them had Dell & Lenovo laptops that didn't boot after grub2 was installed.

This Ubuntu fanboism does not affect me as I run Fedora or CentOS so my opinion is from a casual observer.
I think that Canonical try too hard to make things 'default' before they are really ready.
The Fedora team get a lot of flack for pulling stuff just prior to release but personally that is the right way to go. Be brave, stand up and say it ain't ready yet and pull that bit of functionality.

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RE[3]: Canonical is slipping...
by raid996 on Wed 16th Feb 2011 09:27 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Canonical is slipping..."
raid996 Member since:
2010-03-02

I am beginning to think that linus die hard fans are alway unhappy any distro. People complain abou everything:
if it's easy... it's made for those who want it easy
if it's hard... it's made for pros
if it's backwards compatible... it's not enough modern or slick or feature-bloated cuz they don't implement new stuff
if it's not backwards compatible... it's a mess or unstable cuz they implemented new stuff
if it has options... it's got too many options
if it doesn't have options... it doesn't have options

you get the point right?
and then there are those who claim personal statistics as world facts "why do i know ppl that leave ubuntu?" and I know many people who can't even use the mouse properly (namely half of my church) that use ubuntu since 6.06 (with some of my help) and are still using Linux without having a phd...
and that is ubuntu's merit...

yes... even if it's not perfect... it HAS merits

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RE: Canonical is slipping...
by Soulbender on Mon 14th Feb 2011 09:19 UTC in reply to "Canonical is slipping..."
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Now that Ubuntu is the undisputed king of distros (by some opinions anyway) am I the only one who notices how each new release slips just a little bit more in quality and polish?


I dunno, but Kubuntu gets better each release.

Apparently, Canonical thinks it's the Microsoft or Apple of the Linux world; it will give its users what it decides is best on its schedule and they'll either like it or be damned..


I'm pretty sure that an RC wouldnt change the state of Unity or Ubuntu's direction.

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RE[2]: Canonical is slipping...
by steogede2 on Mon 14th Feb 2011 13:30 UTC in reply to "RE: Canonical is slipping..."
steogede2 Member since:
2007-08-17


I dunno, but Kubuntu gets better each release.


With the state of KDE4, it couldn't really get worse!!*


* [Dons flame proof underwear] That was just a joke, incase it is not obvious. I am sure someone was bound to say it, so it may as well be me. BTW, I am very happy KDE user and I am typing this on Kubuntu 10.10.

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RE[3]: Canonical is slipping...
by Nth_Man on Mon 14th Feb 2011 16:02 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Canonical is slipping..."
Nth_Man Member since:
2010-05-16

I am very happy KDE user and I am typing this on Kubuntu 10.10.

I am also typing this happily on Kubuntu 10.10 :-).

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RE: Canonical is slipping...
by jbauer on Mon 14th Feb 2011 09:27 UTC in reply to "Canonical is slipping..."
jbauer Member since:
2005-07-06

Now that Ubuntu is the undisputed king of distros (by some opinions anyway) am I the only one who notices how each new release slips just a little bit more in quality and polish? Now they're skipping release candidates? Apparently, Canonical thinks it's the Microsoft or Apple of the Linux world; it will give its users what it decides is best on its schedule and they'll either like it or be damned. No thanks Canonical.


It's easy to be king when there's no one else even trying.

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v Unity
by Jason Bourne on Mon 14th Feb 2011 16:49 UTC