Linked by Hadrien Grasland on Sat 12th Mar 2011 12:36 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Although the phone market is quite healthy at the moment, some parts of it are less healthy than others. In particular, the situation in the mid-end range isn't particularly stellar. The stagnation and scheduled death of Symbian and Blackberry OS, while their successors seem to mostly target the high-end market, only leaves Samsung's bada as a healthy mid-end phone OS at the moment. In this article series, I'm going to have an in-depth look at this OS, and see how well it performs in practice on some mid-end hardware which it has been designed to power, the Wave 533.
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USB connector looks standard
by Johann Chua on Sat 12th Mar 2011 13:30 UTC
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2005-07-22

It's just micro USB instead of mini USB.

Anyway, a bada phone seems like a good alternative to a Nokia Symbian handset.

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RE: USB connector looks standard
by Neolander on Sat 12th Mar 2011 13:43 UTC in reply to "USB connector looks standard"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

It's just micro USB instead of mini USB.

That's possible... I've almost never seen micro USBs around here, just about everything I have is based on mini, so I can't say for sure. But if so, that would be very good news... And time to correct the article.

Is MicroUSB an absolute pain to unplug from a device ? ;)

Anyway, a bada phone seems like a good alternative to a Nokia Symbian handset.

Yup. Bada still has some very rough edges, though, as you'll see in further parts of the review. But so does Symbian anyway, it's just that I'm more used to its flaws ;)

Edited 2011-03-12 13:45 UTC

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Phucked Member since:
2008-09-24

"It's just micro USB instead of mini USB.

That's possible... I've almost never seen micro USBs around here, just about everything I have is based on mini, so I can't say for sure. But if so, that would be very good news... And time to correct the article.

"

Umm wow The last couble of Samsung's, Nokia's and Motorola's we had in the past 3 years all had microUSB on them.

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Indeed, after checking, my Nokia E63 is micro USB. My prior Nokias either used weird and probably nonstandard connectivity (2530) or mini USB (6300). All DAPs and MD recorders I've ever owned used mini USBs. Cameras often have nonstandard connectivity, so they don't count, and other phones I've owned used weird connectors that look a bit like a micro USB but are wider and have more pins. That's more or less all portable electronic devices with USB connectivity which I can find around here.

Edited 2011-03-12 16:14 UTC

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RE: USB connector looks standard
by Neolander on Sat 12th Mar 2011 13:59 UTC in reply to "USB connector looks standard"
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2010-03-08
Johann Chua Member since:
2005-07-22

Yeah that's a microUSB cable.

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Thank you very much ! Correcting the article right away...

EDIT: Done, and added a bit about bundled wire in the way.

Edited 2011-03-12 14:19 UTC

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Nice!
by molnarcs on Sat 12th Mar 2011 13:31 UTC
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2005-09-10

Nice one! Review of these types of phones are sorely missing, thanks for sharing yours. I live in a developing country where these type of devices are pretty popular. Never knew what they can do, so this is kinda interesting to me. I'm really looking forward to the software review - bada is one of the most interesting phone OSs. As I understand it, it can ran a variety of kernels (RTOS or Linux) and it uses code from many open source project (even Free/Net/OpenBSDs!!). Another interesting point is that in theory, it's webkit based browser supports flash (ver. 9). See the bada wikipedia page for details.

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Comment by t3RRa
by t3RRa on Sat 12th Mar 2011 14:00 UTC
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2005-11-22

The key layout which Samsung has chosen is interesting, in that you won't find any diacritical mark on it. All alternate keys are either digits or symbols, while letters like "é" or "à" are fully managed in software (more on that later). This probably means that alt keys are the same no matter whether your keyboard is English, French, or Korean, resulting in an increase of keyboard layout consistency.

I wonder what your keyboard layout used to be like on other handsets/keyboards. For English keyboard layout nothing to be much of any interest anyway, And for Korean they usually press a Korean toggle key to type either English or Korean and since common Korean keyboard layout used contains all Korean symbols within Alphabet keys, no such Alt key is needed for Korean characters. (On Windows the right Alt key can be used for Korean toggle key by the way)

Though as far as I know Koreans would not find the keyboard that much useful since they can type Korean much quicker with numeric keypad on mobile phones. They also made similar input methods for Windows CE.


Anyway, back to the topic, I also would really like to get to the software part soon since I have not yet encountered with bada operating system which rasterman of Enlightenment has worked on GUI part. But I doubt it would ever succeed or compete as a heavy competitor to either iOS, Android or Windows Phone 7.. I hope it would but I doubt...

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RE: Comment by t3RRa
by Neolander on Sat 12th Mar 2011 14:10 UTC in reply to "Comment by t3RRa"
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2010-03-08

I wonder what your keyboard layout used to be like on other handsets/keyboards. For English keyboard layout nothing to be much of any interest anyway, And for Korean they usually press a Korean toggle key to type either English or Korean and since common Korean keyboard layout used contains all Korean symbols within Alphabet keys, no such Alt key is needed for Korean characters. (On Windows the right Alt key can be used for Korean toggle key by the way)

Though as far as I know Koreans would not find the keyboard that much useful since they can type Korean much quicker with numeric keypad on mobile phones. They also made similar input methods for Windows CE.

On those I've owned, there was something like this:
http://img848.imageshack.us/i/dsc00544p.jpg/

Special letters like "é", "ê", "à" were alt keys.

Anyway, back to the topic, I also would really like to get to the software part soon since I have not yet encountered with bada operating system which rasterman of Enlightenment has worked on GUI part.

Second part on overall UI is close to completion, I have left to write a big chunk of text on keyboard input, and also something about battery life. I have some other things to do this WE but it should probably be out somewhere in the beginning of next week ;)

But I doubt it would ever succeed or compete as a heavy competitor to either iOS, Android or Windows Phone 7.. I hope it would but I doubt...

It's not Samsung's goal, see http://static.bada.com/contents/mw/whatisbada/index.html

"The vision of bada is “Smartphone for Everyone”. bada’s main goal is not to compete with other existing smartphone platforms. Instead, bada will turn Samsung’s conventional customers into smartphone users by providing cost-effective smartphones. This means that bada will open and extend a new smartphone market, which does not exist in the current mobile market. bada will create a new smartphone market, which will turn into a new blue ocean."

In short, bada targets the mid-end phone market, so they compete not with iOS/WP7/Android but with Symbian and Blackberry OS, which are both a bit ageing and neglected. Against them, bada stands a chance.

Edited 2011-03-12 14:28 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by t3RRa
by Dryhte on Sat 12th Mar 2011 16:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by t3RRa"
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2008-02-05

"Anyway, back to the topic, I also would really like to get to the software part soon since I have not yet encountered with bada operating system which rasterman of Enlightenment has worked on GUI part.

Second part on overall UI is close to completion, I have left to write a big chunk of text on keyboard input, and also something about battery life. I have some other things to do this WE but it should probably be out somewhere in the beginning of next week ;)
"

I'm very interested too. I have an Android phone, and even though I'm kinda happy with android as a whole, I was very much tempted by Samsung's Wave (the first) which I found very pretty. I just didn't dare spring so much money for a phone with an unknown OS.

It's a pity you can't compare the two OS's.

What I'd also like to know is, how long the battery lasts for you (average use). Is it easy to get more than two days of use with 3G on all the time (or even only during the day)? I have the feeling that Android drinks a lot of juice just by itself, without any apps running...

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RE[3]: Comment by t3RRa
by Neolander on Sat 12th Mar 2011 16:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by t3RRa"
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2010-03-08

Can't tell, there's no 3G on this phone. But it lasts a bit more than 3 days of everyday use for me. Said everyday use is heavy texting (>1000/month) and infrequent mail checking/reading/management and web browsing, mostly on Wi-Fi. I also use my phone as a personal organizer. Screen brightness is kept relatively low, as I prefer to save battery and find some dark place when things become unreadable.

Considering that this phone has no ambient light sensor and a pretty large screen, I find it relatively impressive. My usage patterns keep screen and keyboard backlight frequently on, and for similar use my Nokia E63 (smaller screen, no touch layer, ambient light sensor, transflective screen, less powerful vibration) lasts a bit more than 4 days.

Hope this helps.

Edited 2011-03-12 16:42 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by t3RRa
by Dryhte on Sat 12th Mar 2011 19:12 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by t3RRa"
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thanks, that seems to be decent.

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RE[3]: Comment by t3RRa
by Neolander on Sat 12th Mar 2011 22:44 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by t3RRa"
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2010-03-08

Oh, and in the same forum thread, something which might be of interest to you, as it refers to the handset you were interested in (Wave):

"For the Samsung Wave [the higher end bada phone], 2 hours of WiFi per day, 2 hours of GPRS, about 90 mins of calling per day means you need to charge once in about 2 or so days."

Edited 2011-03-12 22:47 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by t3RRa
by _txf_ on Sun 13th Mar 2011 00:02 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by t3RRa"
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In short, bada targets the mid-end phone market, so they compete not with iOS/WP7/Android but with Symbian and Blackberry OS, which are both a bit ageing and neglected. Against them, bada stands a chance.


That isn't quite right. Android is very much a mid end competitor these days.

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RE[3]: Comment by t3RRa
by Neolander on Sun 13th Mar 2011 07:11 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by t3RRa"
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2010-03-08

Not really. It's not a market which Google remotely cares about, as can be seen by the fact that most mid-end phones are forced to run paleontologic releases like 1.6. And in newer releases, it sounds like hardware requirements are going to become worse (introducing e.g. GPU acceleration). So more and more, software developers and websites are going to rely on Android 2.x and the hardware which is able to run it, and mid-end Android phones users will be left in the dirt.

Conversely, OSs like bada and Symbian are *made* to run on mid-end hardware to begin with, and have releases which do that are not deprecated. They're relatively light, run smoothly, and do not solely rely on third-party applications to bring some much-needed functionality.

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Bada version and upgradability
by fran on Sat 12th Mar 2011 21:00 UTC
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2010-08-06

I did'nt see the Bada version number on the Samsung website for the wave 533

http://in.samsungmobile.com/mobile-phones/samsung-wave-533

I wonder if you can install/update to Bada 2 on this phone.

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RE: Bada version and upgradability
by Neolander on Sat 12th Mar 2011 22:09 UTC in reply to "Bada version and upgradability"
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2010-03-08

The wave 533 runs bada 1.1.

Some guy on the bada developers forum has said that all current Wave devices will get an update, but I've not found the "announcement" he's referring to so it may be fake.

Forum thread: http://developer.bada.com/badaforum/board/thread/view.do?boardName=...

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Comment by fran
by fran on Sun 13th Mar 2011 20:17 UTC
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" The stagnation and scheduled death of Symbian and Blackberry OS, while their successors seem to mostly target the high-end market, only leaves Samsung's bada as a healthy mid-end phone OS at the moment. "

This is not totally correct... It leaves Android also.
Android is a very big player in the mid end market now and might dominate it in the near future..And it is actively marketed in those markets.
Look for instance at the LG optimus one and it's price on amazon. A hugely poplular android phone selling millions. I noticed how much advertising boards on the cricket world cup in India there is for it.
Look for instance at the optimus one and it's price amazon.
It run's' Android 2.2 has a bigger screen/resoution. 600mhz processor
Has bigger internal memory and can support add memory up to 32GB, support gps, ect,ect,

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RE: Comment by fran
by fretinator on Sun 13th Mar 2011 23:29 UTC in reply to "Comment by fran"
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2005-07-06

I have an LG Optimus V and I love it. It's light, fast, and you can't beat $25 a month on Virgin Mobile. Even though it has a 600mhz processor, the gpu enables it to play Angry Birds. The only oddity I have found is I have to leave the Wifi on even when using only 3G - otherwise the data connection kept dying.

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RE[2]: Comment by fran
by Neolander on Mon 14th Mar 2011 07:04 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by fran"
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2010-03-08

How much does it cost without a contract ? Price with a contract is worthless data, it only shows the amount of good will of operators (or, more likely, the amount of money flowing between the manufacturer and operators).

Around here, as an example, the Nokia N900 used to cost much, much more than the current release of Apple's iPhone of that time, although theoretically costing around the same price.

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RE[3]: Comment by fran
by _txf_ on Mon 14th Mar 2011 10:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by fran"
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2008-03-17

Not only that, you're forgetting the likes of ZTE and Huawei. I'll always associate those brands with s***ty usb 3g modems with the dodgy software that only installed under specific conditions. However, lots of people are surprised by the relative quality of their more recent phones...

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RE[3]: Comment by fran
by fran on Mon 14th Mar 2011 11:09 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by fran"
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here it is "free" with contract

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RE[3]: Comment by fran
by fretinator on Mon 14th Mar 2011 14:00 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by fran"
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2005-07-06

The phone is a no contract phone. I paid $149 for the phone. I pay $25 a month for 300 voice minutes and unlimited data and text. I primarily use data, don't like talking on phones. If you need more voice minutes, they have $40/mon for 1200 minutes (still unlimited data and text) or $60 for unlimited everything. I got tired of "free" phones that were costing me a load every month. $25 a month rocks for me!

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Comment by kvarbanov
by kvarbanov on Mon 14th Mar 2011 09:25 UTC
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2008-06-16

Personally I don't care about how much Bada will be popular (that's not always a good thing), but I'm aiming at full-hd recording, decent camera and a large screen, packed with metal - and not so complicated to use OS (there's no non-OS phone with such specs), so my choice is Samsung Wave S8500. Super AMOLED is no match for any other display I've seen, excellent as phone ! Extremely nice overall quality / build feel, and a decent price for all those spicy features - around 250 euros with no contract. So, back on Bada - I really like it so far, that's the best alternative to mid-SYmbian devices.

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RE: Comment by kvarbanov
by Dryhte on Tue 15th Mar 2011 14:40 UTC in reply to "Comment by kvarbanov"
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2008-02-05

plus, it's a beauty. I normally don't care so much about the looks of a phone, but the original Wave is the best looking smartphone I've seen.

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bada
by ari-free on Tue 15th Mar 2011 08:31 UTC
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Nice thing about bada is that no matter how it fares, it gives Samsung experience in OS design. They are very strong when it comes to hardware but they really need to learn about software.

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Still waiting...
by Dryhte on Thu 17th Mar 2011 13:12 UTC
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2008-02-05

Still waiting for part 2 ;) I'm curious, so sue me...

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