Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 11th Mar 2011 23:53 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Symbian might have been taking a beating over the past few months, but that doesn't mean the world's most popular smartphone platform (I doubt the installed base hase been overtaken by Android yet, although I might be mistaken) is just going to sit idly by. While Nokia gets its first Windows Phone 7 devices ready, work on Symbian^3 continues, and the Dutch (yeahaw!) product manager for Nokia Benelux has confirmed that a massive overhaul of the platform will be pushed to phones later this year [Dutch].
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Comment by frood
by frood on Sat 12th Mar 2011 00:32 UTC
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2005-07-06

Having just replaced my galaxy s with a nokia n8 im very pleased with this news. Great phone with terrible software. I like to think that nokia will continue to support symbian after rhe release of their windows phones.

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RE: Comment by frood
by darknexus on Sat 12th Mar 2011 01:22 UTC in reply to "Comment by frood"
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2008-07-15

I like to think that nokia will continue to support symbian after rhe release of their windows phones.


I hope the same. I've a Nokia E72 and I love the phone, and I'm a huge fan of Symbian since it's small and powerful. The UI is fine for a non-touch phone like the E72. What really shows, however, is the lack of polish in the provided apps. Something as simple as the email client not linking into Symbian's network connection framework but rather doing everything itself, resulting in my connection preferences (Wifi then 3G) not being effective in the email client though they work elseware. I could go on and on about the crappy applications Nokia's been providing with Symbian as of late, and I don't think a UI overhaul is going to fix that. I'd be happy if they left the UI alone and fixed their provided apps. You know there's a problem when 3rd party apps like Skype fit into the os better than Nokia's own.

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RE[2]: Comment by frood
by frood on Sat 12th Mar 2011 02:18 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by frood"
frood Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't think it's out of the question either. Nokia have contracts with businesses that rely on these devices and have them integrated with their environments. It wouldn't be the first time we've seen a mobile phone manufacturer maintaining multiple OS'.

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RE: Comment by frood
by vivainio on Sun 13th Mar 2011 07:07 UTC in reply to "Comment by frood"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

I like to think that nokia will continue to support symbian after rhe release of their windows phones.


Nokia is committed to supporting symbian beyond wp7 phone launch (as in upgrades that bring new features, not just stability fixes), as well as releasing new symbian devices with beefier hardware.

Nokia already has several operating system lines (s30, s40, symbian, maemo/meego), so there is nothing special about this arrangement.

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Nokia e7
by broken_symlink on Sat 12th Mar 2011 02:41 UTC
broken_symlink
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2005-07-06

I've been considering getting an e7 to replace my first gen 8gb iphone that runs on edge. Its almost 4 years old. I really want something with a full qwerty keyboard. The thing that has been worrying me is symbian^3 though. The hardware looks amazing.

I've only ever owned one nokia phone that ran symbian. It was an e61 running s60 3rd edition. The phone was stolen by a family member who bought the iphone when it first came out but didn't like it.

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RE: Nokia e7
by eml.nu on Sun 13th Mar 2011 22:33 UTC in reply to "Nokia e7"
eml.nu Member since:
2006-07-04

As an N8 user who would've rather wanted an E7 because of the QWERTY I can tell you that the software is indeed something to worry about. The menus are pretty messy and the mail application is great at crashing/hanging.

On the other hand I think since the E7 has come out at least the mail app will get a fix, since that device is directed at business peeps who I can't imagine would be happy without a proper mail application.

I'd wait for the update and check the response before getting a Symbian^3 device, but that's just me.

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Nice Improvements
by superhyper on Sat 12th Mar 2011 03:20 UTC
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2010-10-20

The improvements certainly look nice, I'll definitely be taking a more serious look at the E7 if these pan out. It's good to see Nokia finally understanding that no matter how good your hardware is, people won't buy it if the software is crap.

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Grid design is lame
by 2e7ah on Sat 12th Mar 2011 03:24 UTC
2e7ah
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2010-02-12

I'll join nostalgia club ;)

I have E61i, and love it.
Enjoying: PyS60, PuTTY, real-time Mail for Exchange synced with my Google account (incl. calendar, contacts), Podcasting, various Internet services, BT file system in Total Commander, ...
Dislike: it could be faster though, it's H\W is limited compared to today's beasts
Screeny: http://i53.tinypic.com/6i4t3m.png

On topic: I really dislike new grid ala desktop design and hope that mobile designers will get over it very soon

Edited 2011-03-12 03:27 UTC

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RE: Grid design is lame
by broken_symlink on Sat 12th Mar 2011 04:41 UTC in reply to "Grid design is lame"
broken_symlink Member since:
2005-07-06

On a somewhat related note to PyS60, I wonder if it is possible to write apps for s^3 with python and qt. That would be neat. It would also give me some motivation to learn python. The closest thing to python I know is ruby.

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RE[2]: Grid design is lame
by superhyper on Sat 12th Mar 2011 05:06 UTC in reply to "RE: Grid design is lame"
superhyper Member since:
2010-10-20

I *believe* that QT has python bindings, but I could be wrong on that. Definitely something to look into though, that would inspire me to dig into python again as well.

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RE[3]: Grid design is lame
by Calipso on Mon 14th Mar 2011 13:28 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Grid design is lame"
Calipso Member since:
2007-03-13

Python definitely has Qt bindings. Two projects actually.

PyQT - http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/software/pyqt/intro
and
Pyside(Nokia's own) - http://www.pyside.org/

enjoy!

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RE[2]: Grid design is lame
by 2e7ah on Sat 12th Mar 2011 05:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Grid design is lame"
2e7ah Member since:
2010-02-12

I don't know about s^3, but about learning Py - you learn modules as needed, as Python grammar is simplest it can get
just run: "import antigravity" and you already float ;)

http://xkcd.com/353/

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RE: Grid design is lame
by dc.ricardo on Sat 12th Mar 2011 13:04 UTC in reply to "Grid design is lame"
dc.ricardo Member since:
2009-06-02

2!

Suddenly it's all "Nokia sucks...", "Symbian is far gone...". But all I see is people around me changing their devices from one Nokia to another NEW NOKIA!!!

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RE[2]: Grid design is lame
by broken_symlink on Sat 12th Mar 2011 13:44 UTC in reply to "RE: Grid design is lame"
broken_symlink Member since:
2005-07-06

I went from nokia and linux to an iphone and macbook pro. Now my plans are to go back to nokia and linux.

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QML
by vivainio on Sun 13th Mar 2011 06:53 UTC
vivainio
Member since:
2008-12-26

The thing I'm really excited about for, as far as future of Symbian goes, is the upcoming (RSN) availability of productized Qt Quick for the Ovi store, and millions of devices (they are projecting to have >200 million devices able to run these).

In a short period, Symbian has switched from having the most obsolete programming environment of all smartphone platforms (Avkon) to the most modern one (Qt Quick).

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I'm not so hopeful...
by Nicholas Blachford on Sun 13th Mar 2011 14:09 UTC
Nicholas Blachford
Member since:
2005-07-06

Very good article on The Register, looks like they have some very serious internal management problems they need to fix:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/10/nokia_ui_saga/

I'd very much like to see things fixed but it's going to be very difficult.

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RE: I'm not so hopeful...
by Moochman on Mon 14th Mar 2011 06:52 UTC in reply to "I'm not so hopeful..."
Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

Great article indeed. You should post this on the front page!

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