Linked by fran on Sun 20th Mar 2011 20:03 UTC
Debian and its clones "Debian is the 'mother' distro to many 'children' derivative distros, including Ubuntu. Sometimes those derivatives give back to the upstream, but it's not always easy. A new effort called DEX is aiming to improve how derivative bits are merged upstream."
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Interesting
by BluenoseJake on Sun 20th Mar 2011 20:17 UTC
BluenoseJake
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2005-08-11

this could go 3 ways, either work out really well, have no effect, or turn Debian into an Ubuntu clone.

I hope it's one of the first two.

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RE: Interesting
by stabbyjones on Sun 20th Mar 2011 21:32 UTC in reply to "Interesting"
stabbyjones Member since:
2008-04-15

At worst Debian will get some patches then the fights will start.

At best Ubuntu will use more unmodified Debian packages which will hopefully make both distro's better.

With the derivatives desk and DEX teams it's at least a step in the right direction.

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RE[2]: Interesting
by bitwelder on Mon 21st Mar 2011 08:10 UTC in reply to "RE: Interesting"
bitwelder Member since:
2010-04-27

..."DEX is all about action: merging patches, fixing bugs, crunching data, whatever is necessary to get changes from derivatives into Debian proper," Ubuntu CTO Matt Zimmerman wrote...

Hmmm... something tells me that the worst option is likely to happen. Unfortunately.

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RE[3]: Interesting
by MamiyaOtaru on Mon 21st Mar 2011 13:48 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Interesting"
MamiyaOtaru Member since:
2005-11-11

"..."DEX is all about action: merging patches, fixing bugs, crunching data, whatever is necessary to get changes from derivatives into Debian proper," Ubuntu CTO Matt Zimmerman wrote...

Hmmm... something tells me that the worst option is likely to happen. Unfortunately.
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what he says is irrelevant. When it comes to what Debian becomes, it's what Debian says that matters. If they don't want it to turn into Ubuntu, it won't

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RE[4]: Interesting
by bitwelder on Tue 22nd Mar 2011 08:01 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Interesting"
bitwelder Member since:
2010-04-27

With the worse happening I did not mean that Ubuntu will succeed in getting their way with having patches accepted, but just that a bitchfight will follow, as Debian developers won't (rightfully!) accept what is not good for Debian.

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RE[5]: Interesting
by MamiyaOtaru on Tue 22nd Mar 2011 12:18 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Interesting"
MamiyaOtaru Member since:
2005-11-11

Ah I see your meaning. I thought you were talking about the worst alternative from BluenoseJake's post instead of from Stabbyjone's post. Misread the thread, sorry

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RE[5]: Interesting
by gfolkert on Tue 22nd Mar 2011 19:18 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Interesting"
gfolkert Member since:
2008-12-15

With the worse happening I did not mean that Ubuntu will succeed in getting their way with having patches accepted, but just that a bitchfight will follow, as Debian developers won't (rightfully!) accept what is not good for Debian.

And this is different from when, actually?

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RE: Interesting
by marblesbot on Mon 21st Mar 2011 01:16 UTC in reply to "Interesting"
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2009-12-25

I don't see Debian ever becoming an Ubuntu clone. This DEX sounded good when I started reading, but by the time I was finished I came to the conclusion that this will not change anything at all.

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RE[2]: Interesting
by gfolkert on Tue 22nd Mar 2011 19:21 UTC in reply to "RE: Interesting"
gfolkert Member since:
2008-12-15

Its really no worse than getting "upstream" to accept Debian's Way of thinking and policy from the DFSG.

I think Debian will carry on, with or without DEX/Ubuntu and take the pieces it sees that are beneficial to Debian. *JUST* like the way it is now.

The only thing I can really see this doing is getting the hollering out of the way more quickly.

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Anything would be an improvement
by jessesmith on Sun 20th Mar 2011 21:44 UTC
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2010-03-11

Considering how slowly patches and bug fixes make their way both upstream and downstream between Debian and ubuntu, I'd have to say anything wold be an improvement.

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Ego
by danbuter on Mon 21st Mar 2011 19:31 UTC
danbuter
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2011-03-17

I suspect the dev egos from both camps will cause DEX to fail in record time.

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RE: Ego
by gfolkert on Tue 22nd Mar 2011 19:24 UTC in reply to "Ego"
gfolkert Member since:
2008-12-15

I think the hollering will be deafening. It'll make the fights happen in record time. Whether or not it'll be a success or failure, will be either a full-on failure in record time or it'll take many years to fully realize its possibility.

My biggest concern is Shuttleworth and his time-line for things to be a success... and pulling out of DEX before anything really could be known.

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