Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 18th May 2011 14:50 UTC, submitted by sawboss
Privacy, Security, Encryption Sony just restarted its Playstation Network, after the massive security fail dismissed as a 'hiccup' by Sony CEO Howard Stringer. Well, the PSN has barely been up two days, and a massive security oversight has already been discovered. Yes, Sony just got Sony'd. Again. Unbelievable.
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WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

I just accidentally a whole coca-cola bottle is this bad?

Reply Score: 11

I shouldn't laugh, but
by Laurence on Wed 18th May 2011 15:24 UTC
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

LOL

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Stand on your head
by Soulbender on Wed 18th May 2011 15:26 UTC
Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

and drink a glass of water. Hiccups can be really hard getting rid of.

Reply Score: 5

RE: Stand on your head
by flanque on Thu 19th May 2011 10:40 UTC in reply to "Stand on your head"
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

I have a feeling Sony are going to become a target just for the parody sake.

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Yawn
by lameass on Wed 18th May 2011 15:28 UTC
lameass
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2011-05-18

Sony. News. Bored.

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Seriously though
by Soulbender on Wed 18th May 2011 15:33 UTC
Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

How fscking incompetent can you be and still get employed by Sony? Blindly accepting the sending email address along with some readily available information as an authorization token? Seriously? In 2011???
Have you learned NOTHING at all in the last 10-15 years?
The mind boggles that someone could come up with this braindead scheme in 2011.

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RE: Seriously though
by orestes on Wed 18th May 2011 15:52 UTC in reply to "Seriously though"
orestes Member since:
2005-07-06

Sad thing is, it's not just Sony. A lot of the corporate world puts impact on profit above doing things properly.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

One should always remember that a for-profit corporation is in the business of producing profits and whatever product they happen to make is simply a tool used in the profit manufacturing process.

Microsoft manufacture's profit; they happen to use software in the production process.

Sony manufacture's profit; they happen to use moving pictures and game consoles in the process.

I think it's actualy an obligation within corporate law that when a decision comes down to benefiting the shareholder or benefiting the customer, they must choose to benefit the shareholder at the expense of the customer benfit.

As such, they'll fight tooth and nail over something that directly impacts the current management's short term performance goals but something that directly impacts the customers.. fk them; they're just wallets that have already been harvested.

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bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

Sorry, this is wierd logic. Any company that wants to be relevant will examine their market and treat their customers well. Otherwise they deserve to fail and be replaced by another entity which does it better and friendlier.

Stupidity like this propagates when companies are deemed "too big to fail" and when smaller business contenders are frankly killed because of artificial barriers that exist due to excessive regulation, stupid tax codes, confusing legal codes, patent corruption, etc. Basically the enemies to the free market.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

I agree, natural market forces should be motivating companies to place customer benefits ahead of shareholder benefits. In a healthy market, the company that favored the shareholder would loose out to a company that favored the customer.

Deep pocket lobbying has done a lot to sully the situation. Marketing and mass media brainwashing doesn't hurt the profiteers either. The businesses primary goal being directly at odds with that of the consumer. And, it's not just the business side though either; us consumers in general are apathetic and only interested in the cheapest easiest solution until after the fact when it bites us in the ass. Even my own buying history includes a minority of fast purchases that lead to quality replacements from another vendor soon after.

From the business perspective, it's about making a quick profit over the short term to impress the board and shareholders. The CEO is contracted for only a few years and must show performance in that time to justify a bonus and negotiate the next contract based on the previous one. If CEO Bob's last corporation showed a steady decline then he's going to have trouble negotiating an even more exorbitant salary from the next engagement. From the shareholder perspective, they don't invest money in Nike because they are passionate about sports equipment; they do so because they expect to see returns on that investment. Most of Microsoft's investors don't care what product the company makes just so long as it continues to increase shareholder wealth.

From the consumer side, it is wierd to realize that the business perspective is so diametrically opposed to the marketing line and your interests.

Edited 2011-05-19 18:40 UTC

Reply Score: 2

Believable.
by Shannara on Wed 18th May 2011 16:07 UTC
Shannara
Member since:
2005-07-06

And this is unbelievable ... how? This is Sony we are talking about .... get with the modern times ... lol!

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Epic failure
by vodoomoth on Wed 18th May 2011 16:12 UTC
vodoomoth
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2010-03-30

One would think that there is a shortage of security experts on the Sony little big planet.

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Comment by Drumhellar
by Drumhellar on Wed 18th May 2011 17:06 UTC
Drumhellar
Member since:
2005-07-12

Sony just got Sony'd.


Boy, you sure ran that in to the ground...

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Pure gold
by TADS on Wed 18th May 2011 17:53 UTC
TADS
Member since:
2010-11-01

This is pure gold, it's now officially out of the realm of lulz and into feeling second hand embarrassment for Sony.

And if you think this is bad, read this (hint: this password reset debacle shouldn't be a surprise)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/13/us-sony-idUSTRE74C7042011...

All in all, I'm glad I signed up for PSN under the name S. Holmes from 221B Baker Street.

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Hiccup Mmm
by Gone fishing on Wed 18th May 2011 17:58 UTC
Gone fishing
Member since:
2006-02-22

I wonder what Sony's definition of a hiccup is? 77 Million user accounts compromised, including credit card details. PSN off line cutting service to millions of customers, and when the service is finally resumed its fscked again in 2 days.

If the worst Internet security disaster ever is a hiccup what would Sony consider bad? A virus that turns all Playstation users into flesh eating zombies?

Or maybe its just someone putting Linux on their Playstation?

Edited 2011-05-18 18:01 UTC

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RE: Hiccup Mmm
by umccullough on Wed 18th May 2011 18:25 UTC in reply to "Hiccup Mmm"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

I wonder what Sony's definition of a hiccup is?


Indeed... this is more like a shart.

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RE[2]: Hiccup Mmm
by David on Wed 18th May 2011 20:36 UTC in reply to "RE: Hiccup Mmm"
David Member since:
1997-10-01

Or maybe Exorcist-style projectile pea-soup vomiting.

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RE: Hiccup Mmm
by Soulbender on Thu 19th May 2011 06:04 UTC in reply to "Hiccup Mmm"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Or maybe its just someone putting Linux on their Playstation?


Oh no, that is beyond bad. That's an offense of titanic dimensions that should render the death penalty or worse.

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RE: Hiccup Mmm
by Laurence on Thu 19th May 2011 07:04 UTC in reply to "Hiccup Mmm"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26


Or maybe its just someone putting Linux on their Playstation?

hehehe

+1 funny (already posted - cannot moderate)

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Pardon
by fretinator on Wed 18th May 2011 18:23 UTC
fretinator
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2005-07-06

B-u-u-u-u-r-r-r-p-p-p-p!!

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What bugs me most
by toast88 on Wed 18th May 2011 20:23 UTC
toast88
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2009-09-23

What bugs me most about PSN, is how difficult it is to get rid of your account. While you can easily send an email to Apple requesting to delete your account, there isn't really such thing for PSN.

I once registered for PSN to try out GT5 Promo on a friend's PS3 who didn't have a PSN account back then. I didn't really use the account that much after that, so I looked for a possibility to delete my account.

Somewhere I found an email address in the UK where one can request a deletion, but it took me several attempts until they deleted my account. It was deactivated at some time, so I assumed they deleted it. But I still get newsletters from them from time to time and they never sent me an official confirmation email.

It's just incredibly unprofessional how Sony runs PSN.

inb4: PSN is down again: http://i.imgur.com/TScOD.png

Adrian

Reply Score: 2

gee......
by ballmerlikesgoogle on Wed 18th May 2011 23:25 UTC
ballmerlikesgoogle
Member since:
2009-10-23

I think I will start going back to playing board games.....

Risk is good, so is Monopoly, Axis and Allies, Battleship, Mastermind, Cribbage, and many others.

Maybe we should be nice, and send the Sony executives CandyLand....it might give them some inspiration to get over their hiccups, since they seem to spend their money boozing all the time.....

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RE: gee......
by bnolsen on Thu 19th May 2011 17:10 UTC in reply to "gee......"
bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

Decentralize the whole thing. App stores which grab your personal information, centralized servers which try to run everything. Ahh the good old days of diablo and battle.net

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I wonder what SONY will say ...
by fossil on Wed 18th May 2011 23:32 UTC
fossil
Member since:
2009-05-29

Maybe, "Most of our customers don't even know what a security exploit is. Why should they care that we don't care?" ;-)

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I must be missing something
by WorknMan on Thu 19th May 2011 07:41 UTC
WorknMan
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2005-11-13

If I understand the situation correctly, Sony brings back the password recovery service that only requires an email address and DOB, and it took 2 days for somebody to realize this was a bad thing? In the two days that hundreds of thousands of new passwords were requested, nobody, either inside OR OUTSIDE of Sony, stopped to question that the only two pieces of information required were just handed over to hackers a few weeks ago?

So, somebody please help me out... what piece of this puzzle am I missing? And if what I just described is exactly what happened, why is Sony portrayed as idiots, if nobody else caught on to it either until today?

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RE: I must be missing something
by Soulbender on Thu 19th May 2011 14:24 UTC in reply to "I must be missing something"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

and it took 2 days for somebody to realize this was a bad thing?


No competent person would think it was a good idea in the first place.

why is Sony portrayed as idiots

Because they're the ones who implemented it and thought it was a good idea.

if nobody else caught on to it either until today?


Maybe no-one is using PSN anymore.

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RE: I must be missing something
by umccullough on Thu 19th May 2011 15:45 UTC in reply to "I must be missing something"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

nobody, either inside OR OUTSIDE of Sony, stopped to question that the only two pieces of information required were just handed over to hackers a few weeks ago?

So, somebody please help me out... what piece of this puzzle am I missing? And if what I just described is exactly what happened, why is Sony portrayed as idiots, if nobody else caught on to it either until today?


Well actually, lots of people outside Sony *did* realize this, which is why the linked blogpost had been telling people to create a new email address immediately after resetting the password.

But the real news hit when Sony removed the service again and people starting asking why.

Unfortunately, I would guess that the majority of people using PSN are either 1) kids who don't know any better or 2) 20-30-somethings who sit around all day playing games and could give a shit less about security.

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Own IT.
by jboss1995 on Thu 19th May 2011 14:52 UTC
jboss1995
Member since:
2007-05-02

I can't stand when someone does something wrong and gets caught then refuses to own it. If you screw up just admit it.

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