Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 1st Jun 2011 13:47 UTC
Internet & Networking If there is one organisation that I hold in very high regard and have a lot of respect for, it's the Electronic Frontier Foundation. The EFF formed after a US Secret Service raid on Steve Jackson Games' office, back in 1990, which owned the Illuminati Online BBS and later the domain. As Slashdot reports, the domain has been sold, and all email, shell, and homepage services will be transferred. A piece of internet history, right here, and a landmark in the fight for online freedom and free speech.
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my first experience
by broken_symlink on Wed 1st Jun 2011 14:27 UTC
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My first experience with the internet was around 1998 or 1999. I used AOL dialup. I was only 8 years old. A year or two later we got a cable modem.

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Dial up sound
by Neolander on Wed 1st Jun 2011 14:51 UTC
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Some people have made really creative things out of this sound, you know =p

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Comment by fretinator
by fretinator on Wed 1st Jun 2011 14:57 UTC
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I still fondly remember the BBS days. I had a listing a big BBS's around the country. Here is some terms to fondly peruse. Young people, look away.

Wildcat BBS
QWK mail/news(and offline readers)
Software Creations
BBS Doors
ZModem (way better than XModem)


Edited 2011-06-01 15:14 UTC

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RE: Comment by fretinator
by pantheraleo on Wed 1st Jun 2011 15:45 UTC in reply to "Comment by fretinator"
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I used to run a BBS. Ran it under OS/2 so I could use my computer for other things. OS/2 could actually multi-task DOS software, unlike Windows 3.1. There were some sysops that ran their BBSes under DESQview instead. But I always preferred OS/2. This was back in 1993 or so. At the time I had five single speed top loading external CD-ROM drives in a SCSI chain hooked up to that system, loaded with various shareware CDs I ordered from Walnut Creek. Those were the days. I had nearly 4 GB of files available for download in 1993 That was pretty impressive for those days.

At various times, I ran Maximus, WildCat, and Spitfire. And I was a Fidonet node.

Those were the days. I really miss them.

Edited 2011-06-01 15:52 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by fretinator
by umccullough on Wed 1st Jun 2011 16:05 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by fretinator"
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At various times, I ran Maximus, WildCat, and Spitfire.

I remember WildCat and Spitfire (I setup a Spitfire BBS for my high school computer club...).

Several of my friends ran Teleguard/Renegade boards.

Being the odd one, I owned a Mac SE - but I ran a semi-successful BBS on it using Hermes and a 2400 baud modem. I believe was the only BBS in my area with Mac shareware downloads all sitting on a 20mb HD (yes, 20 megabytes - whenever someone needed something I didn't have room for, I just swapped files around to make room for it).

Those were definitely fun days.

Edit: BTW, technically, it was running a BBS that ultimately led to my meeting my wife ;)

Edited 2011-06-01 16:06 UTC

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by poundsmack on Wed 1st Jun 2011 15:10 UTC
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You will be missed. I felt the same way when went away...

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You yungin's (?)
by l3v1 on Wed 1st Jun 2011 15:47 UTC
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Remember when a T1 was fast, and a Pentium-based FreeBSD box with 32 or 64MB of RAM could host more than 100 concurrent interactive users? You yungin's will say it's impossible, but it worked well.

I'm not so old, but I remember well using linux on a 200mhz cyrix, and before that on a 386 and everything was good and well. I still won't say good old days (see, I've said it anyway ;) ) But I have to say, the net seemed faster ;) (it still would if nobody would bother w/ downloading tons of crappy movies...)

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by Tuishimi on Wed 1st Jun 2011 15:53 UTC
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"I was 13, and flirting with some girl (at least, I hope so) in Switzerland using a computer. It was awesome."


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RE: ...
by brynet on Wed 1st Jun 2011 16:23 UTC in reply to "..."
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I noticed that too, heh, horny bugger.

Edited 2011-06-01 16:23 UTC

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Comment by Brynet
by brynet on Wed 1st Jun 2011 16:24 UTC
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There is a fairly popular OpenBSD shell provider today called

Ignoring for a moment the misleading name, the people logged in tend to be mostly friendly and you can almost always write(1)/talk(1) with them.

You get 100M space ( some in /tmp), public http space, tunnelling, mail and I believe ftp.

It's running a slightly older version though, 4.7, hopefully they'll that update soon.

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RE: Comment by Brynet
by robertson on Fri 3rd Jun 2011 04:15 UTC in reply to "Comment by Brynet"
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Does anyone here use aka ?

It's a free NetBSD shell account with a 200MB disk quota.

They also run a dial-up and DSL ISP.

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by libray on Wed 1st Jun 2011 16:45 UTC
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Of all the contacts I know in engineering and IT I know exactly one person who has an account on the IO system. They were very proud of that fact since it was like an exclusive club.

Is the zorch list still going strong?

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RE: about
by libray on Thu 2nd Jun 2011 15:30 UTC in reply to "about"
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So it looks like no one else here was affected or knew anyone affiliated and affected with

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Comment by shmerl
by shmerl on Wed 1st Jun 2011 16:57 UTC
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Using FidoNet anyone?

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my first Mud
by Bounty on Wed 1st Jun 2011 17:43 UTC
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Ye old 386SX and the 2400 baud modem, somewhere around 1990 ish.

Slow loading ASCII/ANSI art, voting booths, classifieds, time limits/banks, trivia, Chat (and the first trolling,) mail before spam, QOTD and the first easily accessable shareware (& more.)

LORD, smaug (MUD), TradeWars, ArrowBridge, Dopewars, Global Wars, The Pit, PlanetsTEOS, Usurper...

A couple of upgrades later, the last BBS access was from a Pentium 100 with a 28.8 modem was probably around 1995.

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086 PC with Floppy Boot
by imtiaz on Wed 1st Jun 2011 18:44 UTC
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I used PC first to learn PASCAL in 1994 on a 086 PC. We booted them to DOS using floppy and saved our programs in another floppy (5in floppies were there). There were 6 PCs in the lab and one was exclusive, bcoz that had 20MB HDD (!!!) and was one generation better CPU.
Got to love those antique PCs :-))
First used dialup internet in 1997 on my 386 PC.

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by twitterfire on Wed 1st Jun 2011 19:26 UTC
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I could only imagine how awsum was ascii pr0n in the days of BBS. ;) I think ascii manga was awsum, too.

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by Lennie on Wed 1st Jun 2011 19:40 UTC
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Yes, Thom the Internet is a great invention, I like it a lot too.

But part of my job is webdevelopment and an other part involves networking and have to say there is still a lot that can be improved. :-)

Edited 2011-06-01 19:41 UTC

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by MOS6510 on Wed 1st Jun 2011 20:07 UTC
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I used to work at De Digitale Stad, a project founded by a few parties including XS4ALL, the first consumer ISP in The Netherlands and also our neighbors.

One evening XS4ALL people apparently ordered a pizza, but the delivery boy rang the wrong bell. I paid for the 2 pizza's and ate them with a friend.

I spend a lot of time there, but who could blame me. At home I had an Amiga 500+ with a 2400 baud modem and at work I had free high speed Internet.

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Steve Jackson Games!
by leech on Wed 1st Jun 2011 22:19 UTC
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I have a ton of games made by them. GUPRS rocks.

I do have the GURPS Cyberpunk book as well, which has the note on the front that says something about the Secret Service raid, then the article in the introduction to about it.

Not sure exactly when Loyd left SJG, but he was the line editor for many years. The 'hacking' rules in the GURPS cyberpunk game seemed to be modeled more after William Gibson's novels more than any actual hacking now or even in the (then) future.

By the way they also make Munchkin which absolutely rules.

Sad day that they let go. The Illuminati are out there somewhere. Or are they... ;)

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Worlds of Computing
by frajo on Wed 1st Jun 2011 23:58 UTC
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The first era:
Working with machines like the Telefunken TR 440 with BS3 OS, vacuum tape drives, the PDP-11, Tektronix boxes with two 8 inch floppy drives, a PR1ME, and finally several CDC mainframes with NOS, NOS/BE, and NOS/VE, first programming on punched cards and paper tapes have created lasting impressions.

The second era:
Amstrad/Schneider CPC 464 and 6128, 300 baud acoustic couplers, Sirius Victor, Tulip PC, the IBM PC, XT, and AT, PS/2 boxes, full height hard disks with 10 and 20 MB.

Most people nowadays think "Windows is the world" and don't know that that's only their part of the world.

Edited 2011-06-02 00:00 UTC

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RE: Worlds of Computing
by leech on Thu 2nd Jun 2011 11:32 UTC in reply to "Worlds of Computing"
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I went from Atari 800XL, Atari Mega STe, Amiga 500, Atari TT030, Some piece of crap Packard Bell, Custom Windows 98 machine (Pentium 200 MMX), a bunch of custom computers, and then sometime recently I bought an Amiga 4000 and beefed it up with a Radeon and mostly use Linux on my desktops.

Let's face it with just Windows being the thing that most people use day to day, there are a lot of people missing out on some really good platforms!

Though I really have no clue why you put this post in a thread about being sold.

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by peterpop on Fri 3rd Jun 2011 14:00 UTC
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Hmmm... did I really see a subtle reference to Portal there in the end of the article?

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