Linked by paolone on Fri 3rd Jun 2011 22:13 UTC
Amiga & AROS A new "point release" of Icaros Desktop, distribution of the AROS Research Operating system (an effort to re-create the original AmigaOS in a open source fashion, that may be ported on any platform), has been released today. The new version includes new software and games, but also enhances and extends some of the goods already included in the former releases.
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good times
by poundsmack on Fri 3rd Jun 2011 23:15 UTC
poundsmack
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2005-07-13

Nice work guys. The 12 or so of us that have Icaros will be updating when we get home ;) . All kidding aside, I appreciate the hard work. Screen dragging is awesome and I've missed it.

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RE: good times
by ebasconp on Fri 3rd Jun 2011 23:25 UTC in reply to "good times"
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

I was following the AROS/ICAROS news long time ago but I have never installed and played with it in a proper way. So, I think it is time to do it... Good work guys! ;)

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What's even cooler ...
by toast88 on Sat 4th Jun 2011 00:17 UTC
toast88
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2009-09-23

... is the fact, that the AROS team is even working on an m68k port which will run natively on real Amigas. It even includes an open source kickstart replacement.

The just recently released version of WinUAE ships with the open source kickstart and therefore allows to run a lot of Amiga software without having to pirate the original kickstart ROMs ;) .

http://www.winuae.net/

Adrian

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w00t!
by transami on Sat 4th Jun 2011 05:06 UTC
transami
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2006-02-28

W00t! w00t! w00t!

I just wish every Amiga fan would get on board with AROS. Open source and commodity hardware is the way to go.

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Comment by neticspace
by neticspace on Sat 4th Jun 2011 10:27 UTC
neticspace
Member since:
2009-06-09

What is the difference between Broadway and Icaros?

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RE: Comment by neticspace
by JLF65 on Sun 5th Jun 2011 00:13 UTC in reply to "Comment by neticspace"
JLF65 Member since:
2005-07-06

Broadway specifically targets the ARES 1 computer, while Icaros is a generic distro suitable for many different x86 computers. There's also a few minor differences in what is bundled and how it's arranged, but that's the main difference.

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Developing
by Valhalla on Sat 4th Jun 2011 14:37 UTC
Valhalla
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2006-01-24

Concerning Aros and developing, has there been any progress on memory protection?

Alternatively is there some way to atleast do the actual development in a safe (sandboxed) way so that faulty code can't bring down the system? I remember all those 'Guru Meditations' from way back in the day when I developed on the Amiga, and not too fondly ;)

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RE: Developing
by madcrow on Sat 4th Jun 2011 15:33 UTC in reply to "Developing"
madcrow Member since:
2006-03-13

Use of a hypervisor will somewhat solve the problem. If you do something that would bring down the system, it will only bring down your VM not your whole system. With that siad, despite its "perpetual alpha/beta/whatever" status, many of the programs (as well as the kernel itself) for AROS are pretty stable. In my limited testing, it hasn't guru-ed very much at all.

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RE[2]: Developing
by Valhalla on Sat 4th Jun 2011 15:47 UTC in reply to "RE: Developing"
Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24

Yes naturally I realize that I could run it in a vm but that still means I have to reboot the 'virtual' os, also while I have no doubt that finished programs are not bringing down the system at a regular basis, there's quite a difference when you are developing programs. If my system would risk going down whenever I've had a segfault then I would have had to do alot of rebooting during my years as a programmer ;)

Hence I was wondering if there was any way of making it safer during the actual developing phase, like some sort of development sandboxing.

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RE[3]: Developing
by leech on Sun 5th Jun 2011 23:56 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Developing"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

At least on the bright side, the boot time on Aros (especially under a VM) is really fast!

Once they get the m68k in a more bootable state, I'll have to give it a shot on my A4000. Who knows, maybe it'll be just a bit more compatible with some older software than 3.1 is. I mean I can't get Mega lo Mania to work with WHDLoad, what's up with that???

Few others I haven't been able to get to work, like Magic Pockets.

Actually I think the m68k AROS Kickstart is meant more for the newer Amigas. Namely the Natami. I really really want to get one of those when they come out..

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RE[4]: Developing
by MOS6510 on Mon 6th Jun 2011 05:15 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Developing"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I recently acquired an Amiga 1200 with a game filled CF card and it included Mega-lo-Mania which was loaded using WHDLoad. I completed the first level, so I assume it works.

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RE[5]: Developing
by leech on Tue 7th Jun 2011 11:49 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Developing"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

My A4000 has a Mediator, Radeon and Network card in it. But I am running OS3.9, so I wonder if that's why it isn't working.

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RE: Developing
by Laurence on Mon 6th Jun 2011 07:16 UTC in reply to "Developing"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Concerning Aros and developing, has there been any progress on memory protection?

Alternatively is there some way to atleast do the actual development in a safe (sandboxed) way so that faulty code can't bring down the system? I remember all those 'Guru Meditations' from way back in the day when I developed on the Amiga, and not too fondly ;)

That was resolved in Amiga 4, but even in the early days there was a 3rd party error handling program that could catch many Guru Meditation errors before they halted the system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Meditation#Commercially_available...

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RE[2]: Developing
by Valhalla on Mon 6th Jun 2011 12:42 UTC in reply to "RE: Developing"
Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24

That was resolved in Amiga 4, but even in the early days there was a 3rd party error handling program that could catch many Guru Meditation errors before they halted the system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Meditation#Commercially_available...

Ah, thanks for the info! Yes I seem to recall GOMF, but I believe I was never really impressed since it didn't prevent the need for a reboot and just offered you a chance to save stuff before rebooting (or am I not remembering correctly? this was many many moons ago). Devpac and Deluxe Paint, I wonder how many hours I spent in them...

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RE: Developing
by ncafferkey on Wed 8th Jun 2011 14:59 UTC in reply to "Developing"
ncafferkey Member since:
2006-09-15

There are also Linux-, Mac- and Windows-hosted versions of AROS. These versions store their files in the host FS, so you can easily edit and compile your programs outside AROS, and only use AROS to run/crash them.

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