Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 4th Jun 2011 23:39 UTC
Humor The German city of Hamburg will soon be getting one of the biggest Apple Stores in the world. Construction isn't complete yet, and a group of people calling themselves the '.WAV Collective' decided it was time for a practical joke. Posing as construction workers, they planted an interesting logo on the store's facade. In broad daylight. And they videotaped it.
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v What'ya gonna do...
by sigzero on Sat 4th Jun 2011 23:44 UTC
v Comment by strim
by strim on Sat 4th Jun 2011 23:56 UTC
RE: Comment by strim
by ronaldst on Sun 5th Jun 2011 01:16 UTC in reply to "Comment by strim"
ronaldst Member since:
2005-06-29

@strim

I'm no Apple fan, but this is just stupid.
Maybe they are Microsoft workers in disguise.


@sigzero
People can be stupid...


I shouldn't encourage the mentality from "that site" but here it goes:
U MAD?

Reply Score: 9

Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Sun 5th Jun 2011 00:04 UTC
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

The video would probably have been a bit funnier had thad used this song in the background:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY

Reply Score: 5

Ohh
by churlish_Helmut on Sun 5th Jun 2011 00:45 UTC
churlish_Helmut
Member since:
2010-04-12

I didn't knew, that the biggest Apple Store in the World is coming to Hamburg .

Finally, it is good being german..

Oh ... no.. its not xD

About this event: What is this all about??? I do not unterstand it. Maybe, they want to say, that with Win 8 Microsofts OS is getting cooler than Mac OS X?

Reply Score: 0

RE: Ohh
by Carewolf on Mon 6th Jun 2011 13:42 UTC in reply to "Ohh"
Carewolf Member since:
2005-09-08

About this event: What is this all about??? I do not unterstand it. Maybe, they want to say, that with Win 8 Microsofts OS is getting cooler than Mac OS X?


I am not sure, but I would believe it to be a joke...

I would even guess they don't care about OS vs. OS politics, a Windows logo would just be the most ironic sign to have on a black Apple facade.

Reply Score: 2

v Comment
by twitterfire on Sun 5th Jun 2011 00:57 UTC
Demons.
by ParadoxUncreated on Sun 5th Jun 2011 01:13 UTC
ParadoxUncreated
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2009-12-05

They wanted demons to come get `em, that`s why they did it.

Reply Score: 0

RE: Demons.
by lameass on Mon 6th Jun 2011 08:37 UTC in reply to "Demons."
lameass Member since:
2011-05-18

Surely you meant daemons.

Reply Score: 1

v As Dr. Goebbels said,
by gehersh on Sun 5th Jun 2011 02:32 UTC
v Comment by shmerl
by shmerl on Sun 5th Jun 2011 04:30 UTC
RE: Comment by shmerl
by muszek on Sun 5th Jun 2011 08:13 UTC in reply to "Comment by shmerl"
muszek Member since:
2007-04-25

That's what I thought at first ("should've be a penguin"), but then it would an act of activism. Now it's all about making a joke. Two thumbs up.

Reply Score: 5

RE[2]: Comment by shmerl
by shmerl on Sun 5th Jun 2011 17:54 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by shmerl"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

More like MS activism anyway. So if already doing that - at least do something more useful ;)

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: Comment by shmerl
by JAlexoid on Sun 5th Jun 2011 18:56 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by shmerl"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

LOL! I have to see an MS activist :-D They are like a fabled kin. Mysterious, hiding in the shadows and covertly installing Windows on your machines!

Reply Score: 3

Hans Otten
Member since:
2009-12-24

The other Steve, the Apple 2 genius, the Woz loves pranks like this!

Fun, though the fanboys have no sense of humor ;)

Reply Score: 8

I've been a fan of Apple since 1980
by thavith_osn on Sun 5th Jun 2011 08:14 UTC
thavith_osn
Member since:
2005-07-11

and I think this is brilliant...

The world needs more pranks like this, harmless but makes a point...

Would have been great to see a penguin as well :-)

Reply Score: 11

Ventajou Member since:
2006-10-31

Curiously, what point does it make?

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Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

Apple is the new Microsoft. You could replace one with the other, and the end result is the same.

Reply Score: 1

Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

In the same sense that a ferrari could be replaced by a canoe.

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Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

You could. Ferrari's don't float very well, and the canoe won't catch fire and be cheaper to maintain. Besides, Ferrari's are overrated. They're bought by insecure geriatrics who have a desperate need for external validation. Koenigsegg cars are much cooler.

Since you missed the point, I'll restate it. Corporations are interchangeable; they are only separated by the logos the use. One corporation is not better then the other; they only pretend they are.

Reply Score: 1

Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Still not 100% sure what you're saying, but I think its something like: all corporations have the same ethical standards and ethical behaviour. That is one point of comparison that one could make between corporations. Another, perhaps more obvious one, would be to compare the products of a corporation.

In any case, that's not at all obvious to me as the intended point of the pranksters.

Reply Score: 2

Comment by Gusar
by Gusar on Sun 5th Jun 2011 08:32 UTC
Gusar
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2010-07-16

Made me laugh.

To those saying it should've been a penguin... Maybe. But I think the Windows logo is far more recognizable among the common folk.

To those seeing it as "stupid" or similar... Lighten up. Laughing is healthy.

Reply Score: 12

RE: Comment by Gusar
by JAlexoid on Sun 5th Jun 2011 18:58 UTC in reply to "Comment by Gusar"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

The ones that think that it's stupid exhibit the same brain patterns as people towards religion. So no wonder they think it's "Stoopid!"

Reply Score: 1

v Comment by Drumhellar
by Drumhellar on Sun 5th Jun 2011 09:08 UTC
RE: Comment by Drumhellar
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 5th Jun 2011 09:27 UTC in reply to "Comment by Drumhellar"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I will have some fun on this site whenever I damn well want to. Nobody is forcing you to read this.

Also, lighten up.

Reply Score: 7

RE: Comment by Drumhellar
by fatjoe on Sun 5th Jun 2011 10:58 UTC in reply to "Comment by Drumhellar"
fatjoe Member since:
2010-01-12

Windows ported to the Apple platform by a group of German volunteers. [triple pun intended]

How, how is that not worthy of OS News?

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar
by BluenoseJake on Sun 5th Jun 2011 20:15 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Drumhellar"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

They ported Windows to the PC? Fantastic!

Reply Score: 4

v Bring the .... funny
by Soulbender on Sun 5th Jun 2011 09:34 UTC
RE: Bring the .... funny
by broken_symlink on Sun 5th Jun 2011 14:24 UTC in reply to "Bring the .... funny"
broken_symlink Member since:
2005-07-06

If you watch closely there is a girl who realizes whats going on and takes a picture as she walks by.

Reply Score: 5

RE[2]: Bring the .... funny
by computrius on Mon 6th Jun 2011 01:11 UTC in reply to "RE: Bring the .... funny"
computrius Member since:
2006-03-26

I believe thats what he said. Only one payed any attention.

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: Bring the .... funny
by broken_symlink on Mon 6th Jun 2011 02:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Bring the .... funny"
broken_symlink Member since:
2005-07-06

I thought he meant to say that no one pays any attention. I wasn't really sure since he said on.

Reply Score: 2

RE[4]: Bring the .... funny
by Soulbender on Mon 6th Jun 2011 03:35 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Bring the .... funny"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I mean no one and one person out of all the passers by is pretty much no one.

Reply Score: 2

DoubleTwist was more funny
by Torbjorn Vik Lunde on Sun 5th Jun 2011 09:38 UTC
Torbjorn Vik Lunde
Member since:
2009-09-04

Anybody remember when DoubleTwist got an ad right next to an Apple-store. That was actually funny.

http://techcrunch.com/2009/06/05/apple-gets-pwned-sf-store-is-now-a...

Reply Score: 1

RE: DoubleTwist was more funny
by Neolander on Sun 5th Jun 2011 10:04 UTC in reply to "DoubleTwist was more funny"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Indeed, with the Apple-like ad, this is hilariously perfect. This windows logo joke would have benefited from more sophistication (like, you know, pasting the "life without walls" slogan underneath).

EDIT : In the comments, there are some less computer-centric example of ads done right... http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/3427670079_fa8f403233_b.j... and http://www.thetalentjungle.com/hospitality_blog/index.php/archive/1...

Edited 2011-06-05 10:16 UTC

Reply Score: 1

RE: DoubleTwist was more funny
by atsureki on Mon 6th Jun 2011 08:01 UTC in reply to "DoubleTwist was more funny"
atsureki Member since:
2006-03-12



If that's Apple getting "pwned", then the goalposts now comprise the entire field.

I think everyone must be quite annoyed with Apple's image to be so amused by meaningless pranks or the tiniest hints of the loosest definition of irony at their expense. This just isn't that interesting.

Reply Score: 2

Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

I think everyone must be quite annoyed with Apple's image to be so amused by meaningless pranks or the tiniest hints of the loosest definition of irony at their expense. This just isn't that interesting.

As far as I am concerned, I find such ad-based pranks very funny when done with cars too (see above in the thread). It just happens that computers take a much bigger place in my life and personal interests than cars.

And besides, there's some delicious irony in seeing a company which takes as much care polishing its product marketing and brand image as Apple being turned in derision through careful ad-based pranks. When you consider that products should compete through merit and not through ads, seeing one of the most marketing-centric companies of the tech world getting burned by its own tactics becomes very fun to watch.

Just my opinion, however.

Edited 2011-06-06 08:37 UTC

Reply Score: 1

wav.mov
by Andre on Sun 5th Jun 2011 10:27 UTC
Andre
Member since:
2005-07-06

"wav.mov" The irony, a quicktime movie, an apple file format.

Reply Score: 1

RE: wav.mov
by Neolander on Sun 5th Jun 2011 10:54 UTC in reply to "wav.mov"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

And the name of a Microsoft format in the name too ;) Sounds appropriate to me.

Reply Score: 1

Trolling Apple, Samsung style
by fatjoe on Sun 5th Jun 2011 11:13 UTC
fatjoe
Member since:
2010-01-12

Samsung commercial for the SGII in Scandinavia:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&l...


(├Ąppelmos = crushed apples, apples sauce or whatever)

Reply Score: 1

RE: Trolling Apple, Samsung style
by viton on Sun 5th Jun 2011 12:30 UTC in reply to "Trolling Apple, Samsung style"
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

(├Ąppelmos = crushed apples, apples sauce or whatever)

If you have really much better product, you can troll competition as you wish, but this is not the case.
Motorola did remake of 1984. Turned out their "revolutionary xoom tablet" is a piece of crap, that did not even capable of advertised features.

Reply Score: 2

Beta Member since:
2005-07-06

"(├Ąppelmos = crushed apples, apples sauce or whatever)

If you have really much better product, you can troll competition as you wish, but this is not the case.
Motorola did remake of 1984. Turned out their "revolutionary xoom tablet" is a piece of crap, that did not even capable of advertised features.
"

Like? [citation needed]

The original Apple advert contained nothing about the product, at least the Motorola one did. Thats already a better advert..

Reply Score: 2

kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Like? [citation needed]

The original Apple advert contained nothing about the product, at least the Motorola one did. Thats already a better advert..


SDCards are unsupported and hardware supported via USB is limited - that doesn't include the fact that Android vendors have a habit of dropping all support in 6 months by failing to provide updates (both feature and security) for devices older than 6months. The best example of this was a leaked memo between Samsung and a US carrier where Samsung stated that they were not going to provide software updates in favour of forcing hardware updates on end users. Yes, when you buy an Android, those are the kinds of assholes you're to have to deal with - shell out money for a device only to be left high and dry a few months later. Congratulations, you've just purchased a light weight door stop with the security of swiss cheese thanks to zero updates being provided.

Edited 2011-06-05 15:21 UTC

Reply Score: 1

atsureki Member since:
2006-03-12

"Turned out their "revolutionary xoom tablet" is a piece of crap, that did not even capable of advertised features.


Like? [citation needed]
"

SD, Flash, and 4G. I believe Flash has since been added, but I haven't heard anything about the SD slot being activated or the 4G surgery being rolled out.

Sure enough, this has its own section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Xoom#Features_announced_but_n...

But the text "4G" or "LTE" doesn't even appear anywhere in that article. That's the kind of pass Android devices get all the time. iPhone screen cracks if you throw it at a wall - Scandal! Xoom doesn't do what the manufacturer says it does - whatever.

Proof of the absurd hardware upgrade promise:
http://phones.verizonwireless.com/xoom/upgrade/
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/farcical-xoom-4g-upgrade-pla...

Reply Score: 2

Just my sense of humor...
by agrotr0n on Sun 5th Jun 2011 11:29 UTC
agrotr0n
Member since:
2009-08-27

check out the other stuff of those guys. http://vimeo.com/17268975
i laugh tears

Reply Score: 1

RE: Just my sense of humor...
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 5th Jun 2011 11:34 UTC in reply to "Just my sense of humor..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

That was awesome ;) .

Reply Score: 1

most of you dont seem to understand
by agrotr0n on Sun 5th Jun 2011 19:07 UTC
agrotr0n
Member since:
2009-08-27

this has nothing to do with some sort of pro ms activism. its a slap in the face for the "i am so damn cool with my ipad and my macbook hanging around in a trendy cafe an doing something with media stuff while wearing my stylo nerd glasses blabla"-culture, wich is very common in hamburg and berlin nowadays (ok, as everywhere else where the "cool" people live)

Reply Score: 3

tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Wow, thanks for the explanation. Otherwise I would have thought this was an add for a company that actually sold double isolated windows, given the cold winters Hamburg experiences...

Reply Score: 2

tsume Member since:
2006-07-24

Mac users don't feel offended at all, we're laughing at the group who put the sign up since they organized the colors incorrectly.

Real smart group there!

Reply Score: 1

BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

Mac users don't feel offended at all, we're laughing at the group who put the sign up since they organized the colors incorrectly.

Real smart group there!


And their shoes don't even match their handbags! How tacky!

Reply Score: 2

testman Member since:
2007-10-15

You sound bitter. ;)

It's a harmless practical joke, not social warfare. It's something to laugh at; something funny and not loaded down with trendy iconoclasm and social baggage.

Reply Score: 2

10 seconds later...
by mikbetk on Sun 5th Jun 2011 22:20 UTC
mikbetk
Member since:
2011-06-05

10 seconds later the wall crashed...

Reply Score: 4

RE: 10 seconds later...
by ourcomputerbloke on Mon 6th Jun 2011 11:53 UTC in reply to "10 seconds later..."
ourcomputerbloke Member since:
2011-05-12

10 seconds later the wall crashed...


LOL - now that's funny.

The video is what? Two fools putting a Windows logo of sorts on the side of a construction shroud. Obviously hilarious. :S

If you know it's an Apple store being built it's then two Windows fanboys putting a Windows logo of sorts on the side of an Apple Store construction shroud. Again, incredibly hilarious. Not.

If it was two jerks putting an Apple logo on the side of a Windows or Google convention the same people who think this is funny would probably be screaming Apple Fanboy idiots!

I suppose it depends on your sense of humor. A friend of mine cracks up laughing every time there's a story about malware found in Google's Android Marketplace Apps because he's been saying for ages it would happen over and over. He's been laughing a lot over the past couple of weeks. But at least he's balanced, he also laughs about the new Mac Malware for the same reason. I personally don't find either funny, just sad. Like this video.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: 10 seconds later...
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 6th Jun 2011 12:57 UTC in reply to "RE: 10 seconds later..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

This has nothing to do with fanboys. Where do you get that from? Why is everything so black and white?

These are just a bunch of guys pulling a prank. Not everything has to have a ZOMG APPLE VS M$ LULZZ11!1-basis.

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: 10 seconds later...
by BallmerKnowsBest on Wed 8th Jun 2011 18:03 UTC in reply to "RE: 10 seconds later..."
BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

If it was two jerks putting an Apple logo on the side of a Windows or Google convention the same people who think this is funny would probably be screaming Apple Fanboy idiots!


Apple fanboys don't need to resort to that kind of silliness, Apple already does it for them (see also: the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" ad campaign).

This is just Apple getting the tiniest taste of their own medicine, not to mention proof-positive that Apple's fanboys can dish out but they can't take it.

Reply Score: 2

Comment by ballmerlikesgoogle
by ballmerlikesgoogle on Sun 5th Jun 2011 23:03 UTC
ballmerlikesgoogle
Member since:
2009-10-23

I guess if the two "construction workers" were wearing Guy Fawkes masks, this would be a different story....:)

Reply Score: 1

The evil empire
by adinas on Mon 6th Jun 2011 13:28 UTC
adinas
Member since:
2005-08-17

Now that Apple have replaced Microsoft as the Evil Empire. The softies are reverting to rebel tactics :-p

Reply Score: 1

RE: The evil empire
by MysterMask on Mon 6th Jun 2011 19:10 UTC in reply to "The evil empire"
MysterMask Member since:
2005-07-12

Well if you can't compete on technical ground ..

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RE[2]: The evil empire
by PrimalDK on Tue 7th Jun 2011 06:34 UTC in reply to "RE: The evil empire"
PrimalDK Member since:
2005-07-12

Excuse me?

Apple are competing on technical grounds? With what? Mac OS X is technically a better operating system? What exactly do you base that on? The big lock in the Mach kernel? The GNU userland? The FreeBSD base? Or are we talking about the wonderful lack of an MDI? Or perhaps the merits of treating users as idiots? The YellowBox + Carbon travesty? The choice of Objective-C -- a language that should have been relegated to "past experiences" a decade ago?

Or is it that you can (could?) get your iPod in 7 different colors? Or that its A/D-converters were no better than a cheap China stick? Oh wait, it was (is) a cheap China stick...

Or is it that they put the "i" in "isolation"?

Perhaps you're talking about the joke of an "open source" initiative called "Darwin"? Or is it the Geenie effect on an OpenGL basis that gets you hot?

Technical merit...let's see:

Microsoft had an original VAX engineer generate the NT kernel. Apple uses the Mach kernel created at Carnegie Mellon.

Microsoft had a Dane create the C# language. Apple uses Objective-C created at StepStone.

Microsoft created the .NET VM. Apple...doesn't have one, but at least you don't get to choose your language...

Microsoft has maintained backward compatibility on their operating systems better than anyone in the closed-source world. Apple...left behind 15 million PowerPC users with the flick of Job's wrist, after having lied for a decade about the superiority of the PowerPC performance, because they liked the Intel logo, whining about how IBM wouldn't clock up the PPC so they could keep doing the "more gigahertz" game, development they didn't have the money to do. Yeah...Apple was once a very small player...

Apple is a repeat of the 60s:

Encase in plastic, brand, color, and you can sell any trivial idea as an invention.

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Pardon...
by PrimalDK on Tue 7th Jun 2011 08:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: The evil empire"
PrimalDK Member since:
2005-07-12

...that's "D/A-converters", of course.

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RE[3]: The evil empire
by james_parker on Tue 7th Jun 2011 18:18 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: The evil empire"
james_parker Member since:
2005-06-29


Microsoft has maintained backward compatibility on their operating systems better than anyone in the closed-source world.


I suggest that IBM has done the best job, not Microsoft; given that IBM still provides backward compatibility for IBM 360 applications (circa 1964) on their current hardware.

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RE[4]: The evil empire
by PrimalDK on Tue 7th Jun 2011 20:03 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: The evil empire"
PrimalDK Member since:
2005-07-12

Geez...I stand corrected. :-)

Wasn't thinking of corporate backroom mainframes but desktop systems, since the topic was Apple, which recently has downsized their OS portfolio to provide end-user solutions only.

You're right, of course. Does not counter the fact that Microsoft has a better compatibility track record than Apple.

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LOL
by mfaudzinr on Mon 6th Jun 2011 19:19 UTC
mfaudzinr
Member since:
2008-02-13

Big LOL from me. Sweet...

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To the ones who think it's stupid...
by pantheraleo on Mon 6th Jun 2011 19:20 UTC
pantheraleo
Member since:
2007-03-07

To the ones who think it's stupid / not funny, why don't you just admit the truth? A shrine to your god, Steve Jobs was desecrated with something that is not an Apple logo. O noez! The blasphemy! The sacrilege! The heresy! Lord Steve will rain down his vengeance!

Now bow your heads and say the Apple zealot's prayer so that Steve Jobs may forgive your sins:

"Oh Lord Steve Jobs. We are so sorry that we were not there to protect your shrine. Forgive us and have mercy on our souls."

Seriously, Apple zealots... Lighten up... It was a funny prank in good humor.

Edited 2011-06-06 19:27 UTC

Reply Score: 2

MysterMask Member since:
2005-07-12

A shrine to your god ..


That does not sound very humorous, either ..

Seriously, Apple zealots... Lighten up... It was a funny prank in good humor.


Maybe it was meant like that but it's IMHO not very inspired or funny. Haven't we all seen the Macs with the Win Stickers, the Apple Logo on a Win Box, the Penguin on a Solaris Workstation or 'PlaysForSure' on an iPod? Was it funny the second time? Where you laughing?

Fine if those guys have fun doing that (and I'm sure for them, it was fun). But does everybody - zealot or not - have to laugh now?

*Yawn*

Using something like the 'hello kitty' logo or a well known petrol company's logo would have made a refreshing difference (independent if on an Apple or a Microsoft store) ..

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rhetoric.sendmemoney Member since:
2006-01-22

MysterMask:
If you were so unamused (and not in fanboy rage) you wouldn't have bothered posting. Case closed.

Edited 2011-06-06 23:26 UTC

Reply Score: 1

PrimalDK Member since:
2005-07-12

...and it would have been entirely irrelevant: Apple is neither selling kitties nor petroleum.

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Truly epic...
by krreagan on Tue 7th Jun 2011 01:42 UTC
krreagan
Member since:
2008-04-08

Now what would have been truly epic (and above the head of 99% of the people) would have been to put up a picture of Beastie poking Ballmer in the ass with his pitch fork!

Reply Score: 1

RE: Truly epic...
by pantheraleo on Tue 7th Jun 2011 01:54 UTC in reply to "Truly epic..."
pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

Because of all the trouble Microsoft had moving Hotmail off of FreeBSD you mean? Or because many of their internal servers still run it apparently?

Reply Score: 2

RE: Truly epic...
by Neolander on Tue 7th Jun 2011 09:46 UTC in reply to "Truly epic..."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

No, no, if they had pasted a poster with a Microsoft official, they could have done something much better.

Two words : Monkey boy.

Imagine combining a picture like this... http://cdn2.spong.com/news/m/i/microsofts268007/_-Microsofts-Ballme...
...with a comic-like bubble on the right side stating "I love this company !".

That would have been ultimate real-life meme epicness.

Edited 2011-06-07 09:52 UTC

Reply Score: 1

Because...
by PrimalDK on Tue 7th Jun 2011 06:13 UTC
PrimalDK
Member since:
2005-07-12

...Apple is the biggest (in terms of revenue) tech company in the world, the largest mobile device vendor, and the most keen to keep a monopoly on anything that passes through their hands.

Steve Jobs stole his ideas from Xerox PARC when visiting around 1980, the same kind of practice you've seen from Microsoft: being called innovative, when in fact you're mainly a copycat.

Actually, they should have subtitled it "Microsoft 2.0", since Apple is worse than Microsoft, even more Redmond than Redmond: no open source initiatives, a slew of cease-and-desist notifications, patent trolling, "we invented this" (no you didn't), hypocrisy, and a general arrogance, seemingly forgetting that Apple would have been bankrupt by now, had it not been for the 1 billion dollar investment in the company in the late 90s by...Microsoft.

Apple IS the new Microsoft, and as someone pointed out, it doesn't matter what the name of a company is: once it -- through predatory behavior -- attains the status of "king of the hill", it engages in the same practices as the king it replaces.

Except, in Apple's case, it owns the hardware too...

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RE: Because...
by Neolander on Tue 7th Jun 2011 09:51 UTC in reply to "Because..."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Globally I'd say that there's some hard truth within this post, but there's one thing which tickles me in your arguments.

no open source initiatives

No. Just no. Things like LLVM/Clang and Webkit are definitely bigger contributions to open-source projects than everything Microsoft has ever done. Even though Apple tend to spoil these with their terrible community management (e.g. : "Let's withold the GPLd Webkit source code just to piss off developers !")

Edited 2011-06-07 09:54 UTC

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RE[2]: Because...
by PrimalDK on Tue 7th Jun 2011 14:21 UTC in reply to "RE: Because..."
PrimalDK Member since:
2005-07-12

Sure, if these had originated and been developed as in-house Apple initiatives, but they had/were not.

LLVM is another university project, whereas the Clang frontend is *sponsored* by Apple because Apple -- like most companies -- don't like the GPL. Red Hat also hosts a number of Linux kernel developers, but you'd be hard pressed to call Linux a "Red Hat Open-Source Project", wouldn't you?

Webkit isn't Apple's either. Ever heard of KDE? Of course you have.

Ever heard of Haskell? The main developer is paid by Microsoft, full time, no questions asked and no demands.

C# and the Common Language Runtime are ECMA standards, submitted by the big bad Redmond wolf for your pleasure, as witnessed in the Mono implementation, blown-up (unsubstantiated) controversy or not.

When you think of contributions to OSS, you probably want to think of the SUN, not the Apple.

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RE[3]: Because...
by Neolander on Tue 7th Jun 2011 15:15 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Because..."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Sure, if these had originated and been developed as in-house Apple initiatives, but they had/were not.

LLVM is another university project, whereas the Clang frontend is *sponsored* by Apple because Apple -- like most companies -- don't like the GPL. Red Hat also hosts a number of Linux kernel developers, but you'd be hard pressed to call Linux a "Red Hat Open-Source Project", wouldn't you?

I'd definitely call Red Hat a significant open source contributor.

Webkit isn't Apple's either. Ever heard of KDE? Of course you have.

Yup, and I also have used KHTML in KDE 3.5, before it was turned into Webkit. Frankly, since Apple has added fundings and developers, the project has gone a very long way. Sure, Apple owes a lot to KHTML developers, but they also have brought some serious contribution on the table.

Ever heard of Haskell? The main developer is paid by Microsoft, full time, no questions asked and no demands.

I don't know much about Haskell. I know that it's a language with an unusual syntax (for someone coming from the imperative world) that is pretty good for implementing recursion-based algorithms, but I don't know how much traction it actually has, as an example.

C# and the Common Language Runtime are ECMA standards, submitted by the big bad Redmond wolf for your pleasure, as witnessed in the Mono implementation, blown-up (unsubstantiated) controversy or not.

While I agree that standardization is good for the language, I have no knowledge of Microsoft really putting a lot of weight behind the Mono project. To me, it was rather like Wine or ReactOS : the NT API is publicly known, but the projects both remain hackish reimplementations that would be patent-trolled to death by MS from the moment where they'd start to go harm their business.

See Java and the JVM : they're all quite standard, yet Oracle has gone amok against Dalvik...

When you think of contributions to OSS, you probably want to think of the SUN, not the Apple.

I definitely think that Sun has done much more for the open-source world than Apple and Microsoft combined.

Edited 2011-06-07 15:19 UTC

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RE[4]: Because...
by PrimalDK on Tue 7th Jun 2011 19:55 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Because..."
PrimalDK Member since:
2005-07-12

I'd definitely call Red Hat a significant open source contributor.


Yes, but, as mentioned, you probably wouldn't call the Linux kernel a "Red Hat Project" just because they contribute with funding and developers. ;-)

Yup, and I also have used KHTML in KDE 3.5, before it was turned into Webkit. Frankly, since Apple has added fundings and developers, the project has gone a very long way. Sure, Apple owes a lot to KHTML developers, but they also have brought some serious contribution on the table.


Not contending that at all, but that does not make Webkit an "Apple Project" in the same way the Linux kernel is no single organization's, however large a contribution it may have made to the kernel's development.

I don't know much about Haskell. I know that it's a language with an unusual syntax (for someone coming from the imperative world) that is pretty good for implementing recursion-based algorithms, but I don't know how much traction it actually has, as an example.


The traction isn't really as much a point (though it is gaining in real-world use lately), as the language is mainly a research language. Haskell has a huge influence on other languages nowadays. What I was aiming at was the fact that Microsoft lets a university professor do research with full-time funding with no obligations, and to publish his work under a no-frills license (BSD). This is clearly Microsoft paying for the development of OSS.

While I agree that standardization is good for the language, I have no knowledge of Microsoft really putting a lot of weight behind the Mono project.


And I certainly didn't mean to suggest they were (they aren't), but that their registering their efforts with the ECMA allows for others to build the Mono platform. Again, a standard developed at Microsoft, free to copy (yes, I know...conspiracy about a possible lock-in abounds -- legal basis, please, anyone?).

To me, it was rather like Wine or ReactOS : the NT API is publicly known, but the projects both remain hackish reimplementations that would be patent-trolled to death by MS from the moment where they'd start to go harm their business.


Most likely not, because there's no money to be made from suing -- who would you sue? 3 guys working in their spare time? Cedega? For, what, $3000 a head?

See Java and the JVM : they're all quite standard, yet Oracle has gone amok against Dalvik...


Yup -- my point entirely, since Google is a somewhat bigger target than the Wine and ReactOS developers. Patent trolling is a financial game -- the tech world's version of derivatives. ;-)

I definitely think that Sun has done much more for the open-source world than Apple and Microsoft combined.


They have indeed, which leaves them...gone. Business is evolution by natural selection without the stemming factors of tribalism and selective altruism. Innovation is largely irrelevant -- "products" (plastic) rule our world.

My Amiga 500 still boots from a floppy, the same floppy I used to boot it in 1987, and my Amiga 1200 boots in 2 seconds from a PCMCIA card. My latest laptop, which cpu is roughly 500 times faster, boots in about 30 seconds because I know how to tune my kernel.

I type at rougly the same speed today as I did in 1987.

That's progress for you.

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RE[5]: Because...
by pantheraleo on Wed 8th Jun 2011 12:59 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Because..."
pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

My latest laptop, which cpu is roughly 500 times faster, boots in about 30 seconds because I know how to tune my kernel.


If you think 30 seconds for a Linux kernel is fast, I'd actually argue that you don't know how to tune your kernel. Sub 20 second boot times with a custom built kernel are pretty achievable.

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RE[6]: Because...
by PrimalDK on Thu 9th Jun 2011 22:39 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Because..."
PrimalDK Member since:
2005-07-12

If you think 30 seconds for a Linux kernel is fast, I'd actually argue that you don't know how to tune your kernel. Sub 20 second boot times with a custom built kernel are pretty achievable.

Uh...you might ask from when I start the clock before you assume I am trying to appear special: cold boot, from before my BIOS posts. Also, you might like to ask which init script I'm running and from what I/O device.

But I digress...

The point was (obviously) a different one than the 30 (or 20) second boot time, but that a computer with an order or two faster cpu and ditto I/O (and specifically 8000 times as much RAM) because of design still doesn't appear faster.

This is what an end user sees, technical jerk-off attitudes of OSNews readers aside, and no amount of fine tuning (except perhaps a 24-channel SSD raid) will bring my Linux box to boot as fast as my Amiga 1200, period.

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BallmerKnowsBest
Member since:
2008-06-02

"Hey everyone, look at me and how totally not upset I am about this! Now let me whine endlessly about how I don't find it funny, because that's how people usually react to things that don't upset them."

There you go, I've just summarized all of the Apple fanboy comments on this topic. You're welcome.

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nice
by gfx1 on Wed 8th Jun 2011 19:30 UTC
gfx1
Member since:
2006-01-20

I liked it ;)
Apple takes itself way to seriously.

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