Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 4th Jul 2011 23:16 UTC
Multimedia, AV A few days ago Sony released the 11th version of their consumer "Movie Studio HD Platinum" version of their popular PC video editing platform, Vegas. A variety of new features can be found in it, most importantly 3D stereoscopic editing support, and a faster h.264 decoder for AVCHD/digicam/dSLR footage.
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v 3D isnt out yet ...
by Shannara on Tue 5th Jul 2011 00:15 UTC
good video
by backdoc on Tue 5th Jul 2011 00:58 UTC
backdoc
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2006-01-14

I liked your video. It was interesting and entertaining. I don't own a Windows computer. So, this is not on my radar. But, I don't do much video editing anyway.

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RE: good video
by WorknMan on Tue 5th Jul 2011 02:46 UTC in reply to "good video"
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2005-11-13

I'm guessing this would be a bit overkill for just editing some home videos... is there something a little more iMove-ish on the Windows platform?

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RE[2]: good video
by Eugenia on Tue 5th Jul 2011 02:57 UTC in reply to "RE: good video"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

I don't think that Vegas Platinum is overkill, it's as it should be for its price.

iMovie is missing a lot of features, even for people who are not interested apart from family/travel videos. For example, iMovie does not have 24p support, so if someone just bought a recent cheap Canon HD digicam (their 2011 models are all 1080/24p), and puts it on iMovie's timeline, the app adds pulldown and makes it 30p. And when the user exports, there's a buttload of ghosting because of resampling that Quicktime usually adds in the conversion. That's a show-stopper from the get-go in my opinion. This is not a case of "24p being for pros only", because in this day and age a lot of cheap cameras shoot in 24p.

As much as iMovie does the very basics right, any modern user would hit a wall with it within a few weeks (in my case it was days -- I started on iMovie). With Vegas that wall is further away. Years even.

Edited 2011-07-05 03:01 UTC

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RE[3]: good video
by backdoc on Tue 5th Jul 2011 03:12 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: good video"
backdoc Member since:
2006-01-14

One thing that iMovie and OSX are both missing is native AVCHD support. Microsoft easily beats Apple at this. I'm disappointed with Apple's neglect of H.264. I had to spend a few dollars to buy an addon to Finder just so I could see thumbnail previews of my AVCHD files.

My camera is an HG20.

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RE[4]: good video
by Eugenia on Tue 5th Jul 2011 03:31 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: good video"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Back in the day iMovie used to re-encode AVCHD and HDV footage in the Apple Intermediate Codec which was a disaster (a very lossy format actually). I don't know if it does the same still, of it's using ProRES instead now, but regardless, having to wait for re-encoding is not fun. Vegas Platinum 11 loads and edits these formats as-is, in real time. There is no waiting time.

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RE[3]: good video
by kaiwai on Tue 5th Jul 2011 03:45 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: good video"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

The impression I always get with the iMovie products from Apple is the assumption by them that the end user will be either using the built in iSight camera or the camera in iPhone/iPod Touch - it pretty much goes back to the old adage that Apple products are great as so long as you keep within the narrow parameters of what they sell.

It makes me wonder though in the case of high end hardware vendors like RED why such a move by them hasn't been made in terms of acquiring something like Avid so that they have their own in-house solution versus being dependent on third parties.

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RE[2]: good video
by Ultimatebadass on Tue 5th Jul 2011 13:31 UTC in reply to "RE: good video"
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2006-01-08

is there something a little more iMove-ish on the Windows platform?


Have you tried Windows Live Movie Maker?

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screen shot
by Laurence on Tue 5th Jul 2011 09:37 UTC
Laurence
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2007-03-26

@Eugenia

A little late now, but for future reference: if you press [Alt] and [print scrn] rather than just [print scrn] then you get a capture of just the active window rather than the entire desktop.

This would have saved you having to edit out the captions on the task bar of your other, minimised, applications.

Edited 2011-07-05 09:38 UTC

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Four-Letter Word
by cjcoats on Tue 5th Jul 2011 11:33 UTC
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2006-04-16

S O N Y

After the rootkit attacks by Sony, and after the Playstation Linux bait-and-switch, there's NO way I'm going to buy anything "Sony."

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nice review
by fran on Tue 5th Jul 2011 11:46 UTC
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2010-08-06

This review will save a lot of people a lot of money.

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Vegas Studio is nice
by stippi on Tue 5th Jul 2011 13:53 UTC
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2006-01-19

I agree with the reviewer that Vegas is probably the most sane video editing solution right now, in it's price range and high above. I like the features, the workflow and how the time line is implemented. However, I've been editing a lot of AVCHD footage from my Sony camcorder, yet I have never managed to get Vegas Studio (version 10 in my case) to do smart-rending. It is always reencoding everything, judging by the encoding times. I have no effects on the clips except for the occasional fade-in/out, or cross-fade which apply only to a small portion of a given clip. Also, I installed the WebM and Xiph codecs, and while I can output ogg/vorbis, I can neither encode straight to WebM nor ogv/theora+vorbis. That would save me tons of time, using the command line tools to get the desired quality is tedious. Any tips in this direction would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: Vegas Studio is nice
by Eugenia on Tue 5th Jul 2011 19:20 UTC in reply to "Vegas Studio is nice"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Vegas does not have AVCHD smart-rendering. It only supports this for some AVI formats, DV and HDV.

Regarding webm/ogv, Vegas only supports Video for Windows and Quicktime, not the newer protocols, so only third party codecs that decode/encode in AVI or MOV are supported. Everything else must be written by Sony.

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Comment by Luminair
by Luminair on Tue 5th Jul 2011 15:45 UTC
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2007-03-30

Given the site we're on, how do free, open source, or other operating system alternatives compare?

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RE: Comment by Luminair
by Laurence on Tue 5th Jul 2011 16:13 UTC in reply to "Comment by Luminair"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Given the site we're on, how do free, open source, or other operating system alternatives compare?

I'd be very interested to know this too.

I'm yet to find a FOSS alternative that hasn't epically sucked balls. But I'm sure (or rather optimistically hope) there's at least one good package out there that I haven't discovered yet.

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RE: Comment by Luminair
by Eugenia on Tue 5th Jul 2011 19:26 UTC in reply to "Comment by Luminair"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

It's been discussed here and on my blog a lot of times in the last 10 years. Linux still has nothing that competes with the better Windows/Mac editors. The best one is KDEnLive, but it's still not there. The Ubuntu guys even concede to the sad reality in various articles in the last two years.

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RE[2]: Comment by Luminair
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 5th Jul 2011 19:51 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Luminair"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Sad to say its true. I've fought it in the past reviews of Vegas, but Its time I just accept it. There aren't any FOSS video editing solutions that really works well( As of a year ago). I've read that there is pro level software available at a pro level price. But that doesn't really work for me.

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RE: Comment by Luminair
by fran on Tue 5th Jul 2011 19:29 UTC in reply to "Comment by Luminair"
fran Member since:
2010-08-06

The most advanced native linux video editor is cinelerra.
I know this not from experience but reviews. Just could not get the install to work on Ubuntu. It's not part of the default Software centre options and has a lot of dependencies some of which is not present Ubuntu's synaptic software section. Not a noob friendly install.
There is rewrite of cinelerra underway called Lumiera.

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RE: Comment by Luminair
by LordChaos on Tue 5th Jul 2011 21:09 UTC in reply to "Comment by Luminair"
LordChaos Member since:
2005-08-11

What about Lightworks ? http://www.lightworksbeta.com/

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RE[2]: Comment by Luminair
by Eugenia on Tue 5th Jul 2011 21:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Luminair"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

A disaster.

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RE[3]: Comment by Luminair
by LordChaos on Wed 6th Jul 2011 13:42 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Luminair"
LordChaos Member since:
2005-08-11

A disaster.


Could you please eleborate ?

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RE[4]: Comment by Luminair
by Eugenia on Wed 6th Jul 2011 21:20 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Luminair"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Terrible usability, need to pay extra to get AVCHD support, and installs in the system the extremely buggy Matrox mpeg2 codec (which doesn't return some calls, and so it hangs Sony Vegas that's also installed on the system).

When they released the first public release they even had a stupid bug that made loading of the app impossible. Obviously very little testing.

If you need to do some real work, pay the money and get the right tool. That's what I think about all this.

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RE[5]: Comment by Luminair
by Luminair on Thu 7th Jul 2011 01:31 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Luminair"
Luminair Member since:
2007-03-30

If you need to do some real work, pay the money and get the right tool.


That's what momma always said!

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Maging Video Clips
by neerlent on Wed 6th Jul 2011 21:34 UTC
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2011-07-06

Does Vegas 11 have any decent media tagging/organization support? I have many hours of home videos I'd like to organize so I can make sense of what I have.

(Title should be "Managing Video Clips", but editing the post title didn't work)

Edited 2011-07-06 21:37 UTC

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RE: Maging Video Clips
by Eugenia on Wed 6th Jul 2011 22:06 UTC in reply to "Maging Video Clips"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Depends what you want to do exactly. It lets you specify "bins" to put different clips in it, so for example, all the clips from a wedding reception go to one bin, and all clips from the church go to another bin. It also lets you rename and replace clips.

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RE[2]: Maging Video Clips
by neerlent on Wed 6th Jul 2011 22:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Maging Video Clips"
neerlent Member since:
2011-07-06

I'd like to tag each clip with who/what/when/where-type metadata, as well as some sort of rating as to what clips are worth sharing. Is this doable with bins, or is there a better tool for the job?

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RE[3]: Maging Video Clips
by Eugenia on Wed 6th Jul 2011 23:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Maging Video Clips"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

I believe that the Pro version used to have such a utility. I don't think Vegas Platinum does. Premiere Elements 9 does this though.

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