Linked by David Adams on Thu 4th Aug 2011 19:22 UTC, submitted by Debjit
Multimedia, AV In a blog post, John Luther, the Project Manager of Google's WebM Project, has announced that Skype now supports the VP8 codec. The VP8 support is already available for Windows users who are using Skype 5.5. VP8 will be used to encode and decode the Skype video call if both the caller and receiver have clients that support the codec.
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Comment by Radio
by Radio on Thu 4th Aug 2011 20:44 UTC
Radio
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2009-06-20

VP8 and WebM have been under constant threat from the MPEG-LA. The MPEG-LA alleges that it violates patents of its members. Interestingly, Microsoft too is a part of the MPEG-LA.

So, right now we have a company that is being acquired by Microsoft supporting a video codec which Microsoft along with its other friends at the MPEG-LA is targeting with its patent pool. Interesting indeed.


...No comment.

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RE: Comment by Radio
by Lennie on Thu 4th Aug 2011 21:52 UTC in reply to "Comment by Radio"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

I guess as they own the patents, they can use it. :-)

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RE: Comment by Radio
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 4th Aug 2011 22:50 UTC in reply to "Comment by Radio"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Eh, there's more nuance to it than that. Microsoft may or may not be one of the companies that has claimed to hold a patent that is violated by VP8/webM. They are holders of other patents that are licensed by MPEG-LA.

Microsoft isn't the problem when it comes to software patents. If Microsoft disappeared over night. , we'd still have problems with them. They're intrinsicly bad and cause problems in the industry. They turn everyone into hypocrites. The only ones who aren't are the ones that can't violate any software patents: ie those that only hold them, ie patent trolls.

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by Icaria on Fri 5th Aug 2011 07:40 UTC
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2010-06-19

A proprietary and heavily obfuscated product uses VP8 - why, it's not clear.

So what, if anything, does this change? I'd assume Skype already has better compression algorithms and is still going to default to them, so I can't see this as a big push for mobile hardware decode. Skype is also a closed ecosystem, so it's not as if it's going to affect any other devs.

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RE: .
by Hypnos on Fri 5th Aug 2011 08:36 UTC in reply to "."
Hypnos Member since:
2008-11-19

Well said. It would be more interesting if Google Talk moved to WebM, so that free clients wouldn't need h.264 encoders for video chats.

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RE[2]: .
by zima on Fri 5th Aug 2011 09:37 UTC in reply to "RE: ."
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Though that would most likely make Google Talk / Gmail video less interesting overall, as a videoconf solution which is (now) probably the best choice on slow & unreliable (aka "normal" or "typical") connections.

Scalable Video Coding ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Video_Coding , apparently spearheaded by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidyo , there's a mention of them when downloading Gmail plugin),) H.264 extension seems to contribute to how nice Gmail video is.

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skype is a p.o.s.
by Brunis on Fri 5th Aug 2011 08:41 UTC
Brunis
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2005-11-01

Excellent call quality, only outdone by google talk, but the user interface is horrible. Super sized widgets with overblown fonts, looks like effing Gnome! And now i upgraded to 5.5 it's even worse.. and the chat scrolling stopped working .. how can companies release such crap? .. oh but it's free, you can't expect any quality fr .. stfu!!

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RE: skype is a p.o.s.
by helf on Sun 7th Aug 2011 00:30 UTC in reply to "skype is a p.o.s."
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

So A. use something else, B. complain to the actual company.

Stop spouting crap no one wants to hear on a comments section.

I think KDE is utter garbage, but I don't say so in an article related just because I have a vendetta against them.

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VP8 Codec SDK "Cayuga" Released
by lemur2 on Mon 8th Aug 2011 00:44 UTC
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2007-02-17

Relevant to applications like Skype:

http://blog.webmproject.org/2011/08/vp8-codec-sdk-cayuga-released.h...

The WebM project has announced the third upgrade release of the WebM codec, codenamed "Cayuga", targetting more areas for encoder speed improvements.

"detailed improvements made in the libvpx Cayuga encoder:

Improved the datarate control in one-pass realtime compression.
Improved one-pass variable bitrate (VBR) visual quality by average ~7% across a large collection of videos.
Improved video conferencing user experience through error concealment, a feature that produces high visual quality frames even under conditions of substantial packet loss.
Improved the ARM v6 and v7 encoders and decoders through greater use of SIMD features and strong use of cache prefetching. "

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