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...This isn't even an article. Hell, it's barely a sentence. Wait, I just wrote more than the article and my post contains more content.
What a troll! (and yeah, I bit)
yeahh... what is this story about? It's once sentence with no links.
So umm.. what is this about?
Would you believe me if I told you that the link was actually there ? Forgetting a space somewhere is all it takes to break HTML code... Edited 2011-08-16 17:44 UTC
Edit: Too late Edited 2011-08-16 17:11 UTC
just like most of you, I wouldn't call it an "article" either, but he does have a point. I mean what else is there to say? Of course we can point to tablets and phones (even Chrome Books) and the diminishing importance of the desktop .. but we all know that, right?
In the good old days linux and F/LOSS fans like me would have jumped at Microsoft's bold announcement. Now, most reaction is a weak "meh"! I don't think Microsoft's posturing merits anything longer than this minimalist "article." It's a good example of how much we care about it
Also the article mentions the browser and more than 50% of all webusers use a non-Microsoft-and-open-source browser (Firefox or Chrome (that last one is based on 98% or so open source code)).
I think there was no link because the article was so crap.
Yeah, but does MSFT really need to beat Linux everywhere? For them to succeed, they just need to beat Linux where their core money-printing-machine is: Windows and Office.
As long as they're able to do so, they should be fine. We already live in an era where the web is entrenched in our lives (i.e. we're past the point of saying "the web is where everything is going to") - and the smartphone market, while on meteoric ascension, still is not mature enough for us to declare Google/Android/Linux and Apple winners (although I believe this will happen in 2-3 years). MSFT still has time to catch up with linux on mobile and print huge amounts of money.
Please note that I haven't used a Microsoft product (Xbox included) in the last year or so - I believe that today they are nothing more than patent trolls who stifle innovation. Nevertheless, they're not as dead as I hope they'll be.
The big PC manufacturers didn't cave in to Microsoft, they caved in to customer demand.
Only a very few people actually want to use Linux as their operating system. Everyone else installed an old pirated copy of Windows XP, had a friend do it, or returned the machine.
The only people who were totally happy with the Linux Eee PC netbooks were those that had a friendly local Linux user to help them out. I knew a lot of people who didn't care for the experience, but went along with it because that was what you got for $280. Once Windows netbooks were available they switched.
That was also because they used a terrible distribution of Linux. If they'd just slapped stock Ubuntu on there, people would have been happier with it.
The desktop will diminish when cloud related technologies have proliferated enough to make the average user care less about software and data on his local system. It's starting, but it's a long way to go.
My prediction is that the first thing to go in the desktop computing is the departmental server, as it'll be replaced by a high bandwidth connection to a private or virtual-private cloud system.
Next will be the full blown desktop computer to go. That has partially started in more advanced organisations - Citrix "replacing" local OS or thin server. But it will be more like Android/iOS - locally apps(incl HTML5 stuff) provide GUI and input, while all heavy lifting is done on the server.
Back to square one then? Plus a hefty $99 annual subscription, thrown in there for good measure for the consumer
It looks to me like we're trying to throw out everything local just because. Just because cloud and HTML5 sound so cool. Nevermind that some of these things have been done decades ago already and we progressed past that.
Yes, but as a previous poster pointed out, it's about a package that "just works". I've given people Open Office in the past, and they complain because they save a document, send it to someone who is then unable to read it in Word. All it takes is a Save As and change the filetype, but that's an extra step people don't need when they use MS Office. And so it stays.
Why do you post such garbage?
I have to agree. I normally try not to second guess the OSNews editorial decisions--even if I don't agree, it's usually a good read--but this is just incoherent chest-thumping from an insecure fanboi. Linux is doing great, and it's so refreshing from where we were a decade ago, but shite articles like this actually take away from that sense of progress.
I think what bothers me the most is that the hack that wrote this is the one who submitted the article. If you look at his submission history, the majority of everything he's ever submitted is his own intellectual refuse. He's essentially using the site an an SEO tool--someone should at least add nofollow to the link.
Frankly, given that he's been abusing the site for years, I'd prefer to see him blacklisted, no matter who submits the article. There may be a chance he writes something worth reading, but I'm willing to call that a calculated risk.
Linux started out as having UNIX on your PC at home. Linux on the desktop failed, year after year despite each year being the year of the Linux desktop for some reason.
Linux now runs almost everywhere, but perhaps apart from servers I doubt anyone in the early days foresaw this.
Where it now runs with success it mostly benefits the money making businesses, not the community that started working on Linux in the 90s. Most people could't care less if their VCR or fridge runs Linux, in most cases you can't even tell.
The desktop is where Microsoft makes a lot of money (Windows and Office). If they claim victory there over Linux they are right.
It's a reminder that this is still OSnews and not Mobile Litigation News. Once upon a time (before smartphones became sacred relics), this was a site for OS hobbyists.
You are right, but if you look OSnews right now, there are a lot of interesting articles submitted today (about HTML5, BFS, IE9, etc.).
Yeah, but gone are the days when there was a multitude of articles about BeOS, BSD, SkyOS, Syllable, Amiga variants, etc. And giving way to phone OSes at that.
Well, they do pop up from time to time, but I for one would like to see more of those. But perhaps not much is happing on those subjects.
If you know of anything there is a 'Submit News' at the top of every page.
Also you can contact the editors of the site and I'm sure you can send them site links and RSS-feeds with interesting news that you think is missing.
"Big" alternative operating systems seem to be less of a hot topic lately. Not only when it comes to capturing attention of audiences, also when it comes to actual activity of projects (heck, some of those that you mentioned are themselves gone!). Not long after we possibly hit the "good enough" territory (kinda like with qwerty), at least apparent one.
OTOH, with the flurry of activity around mobile OSes...
I for one am sick of hearing "Desktop Linux is a failure because they don't have any market share." This sort of thing only matters for a commercial product. As long as there are people willing to use GNU/Linux on the desktop it has not failed. and by that metric and giving Linux's lead in the server room I don't see the usage of desktop Linux dieing completely.
Really it's a result of all the "Year of the Linux Desktop" talk. People were misguided. Linus himself said he didn't care about defeating Microsoft, but not enough people were paying attention. They should have been focused on the real point which was seeing what a community effort could achieve, not in market share percentages, but in a simple expression of creativity.
I recall "year of desktop Linux" being mainly a media buzz phrase of the early 2000's And yes I will agree Linux has had its annoying zealots (as has every other platform for example Windows has Monkey Dancing Steve)
Personally I say use what works best for you For me that is GNU/Linux for someone else it may be Windows 7 Monkey Dancein' Steve addition
You jumped too early. It's a pretty cool time in alternative DEs and WMs, since a lot of what you used to need GNOME or KDE for is being re-implemented in code that doesn't need 400MB of dependencies. Some good examples are udisks for easier mounting, ConsoleKit for multiseat support, cpufreqd and cpufrequtils for power management,and wicd and its two UIs (ncurses and Gtk) for easier network management. Lash those together with a good window manager like Window Maker, Fluxbox, or Awesome, and you have a pretty complete desktop environment without all the cruft. Three years ago I used to lament the fact that I had to use GNOME to get more than 90 minutes of battery life on a laptop capable of twice that. Now I can get my charge's worth without even running startx if I'm feeling extra-nerdy.
Linux had a great chance to steal marketshare from Microsoft back when MS released the sorry excuse for an operating system known as Windows Vista. Not even Ubuntu could convince enough users that it was time to ditch Windows rather than just staying with XP, which is what most users ended up doing. Then came Vista-done-right, aka Windows 7 and why would a user want to switch to Linux now? So yes, Microsoft can breathe some relief... for now.
We'll have to see how many users get irritated by having a tablet UI forced down a Desktop PC in Windows 8 and decide it's time to switch to a more desktop-like OS. Will Linux deliver then, or will they try to cram a tablet-like UI into their distros to copy Apple and Microsoft?
GNOME 3/GNOME Shell feels like a step in that direction if you ask me.
No, I think Microsoft learned their lesson from Vista. Windows 8 is going to be targeted at tablets and netbooks on the low end. I predict that it's going to run faster and lighter than even Windows 7.
It's going to require heavy GPU acceleration, but that's a given these days.
In fact, I believe that the new AMD chip designs for tablets and netbooks combined with Windows 8 is going to give the iPad some real competition.
Microsoft does learn, when kicked in the head hard enough.
"Apple, Android, and Microsoft are all moving to a unified platform around mobile technologies."
I don't think you know what unified means ;-)
I understand what they are doing.
Maybe I'm wrong as english is not my first language, but unified sounds like they are working together on the same thing to me.
Which they are not.
Am I the only one who saw "Linux Snickers" and thought mmmmmm packed with kernels, Linux satisfies?
Seriously... GNUstep. I've seen what can be done, The lack of a browser threw me previously, but now I know. Linux has an API more powerful than anything Windows will ever get supported by Microsoft. It's only a matter of time until it becomes a working Desktop environment. There are big things moving in GNUstep land
No browser? What about everything ever written for Cocoa? What about Firefox, which works just fine in Qt and GNUStep environments as in GNOME? What about lynx?
On a less silly note, can you provide a link to a mailing list where said big things are happening? Edited 2011-08-17 04:30 UTC
Microsoft bureaucrat with no motive to fib or spin whatsoever: "Linux is no longer a desktop threat."
ZD Tweedle-dee: "Linux is no longer a threat! Haha, suckers, the computing world is ruled from Redmond (except for servers and smartphones and everything apart from desktops)."
ZD Tweedle-dum: "Haha, you fool, this is a Linux world! Microsoft is vanquished! Except on the desktop, of course."
OSNews: "You clearly need some hits for your ads."
Me: "I must outline this cleverness so we know where to look for more of it."
Talk of "Jailbreaking" and "Linux" in the same conversation makes a very strange conversation. But that is what you hear when the subject is Android and Chrome.
The embedded Linux OS in your Internet-enabled HDTV, home theater receiver, Blu-Ray player, video game console, or set-top box is - practically speaking - about as accessible as the interior of Fort Knox.
Which is why your grandad at seventy-five will be streaming Netflix to the video players aboard his boat or RV while you are still waiting for a native Linux client for the MythTV box in your basement.
The point I am trying to make here is that success in the server rooms and success in mobile doesn't translate to the freedom the geek had - or at least thought he had - on the desktop.
The community-oriented Linux distribution - the desktop client OS - is in very deep trouble.
With a global market share of less than 1% when you look at StatCounter or Net Applications, and, like it or not, market share matters.
97% of the Moz Foundation's funding comes from the add-click. From placement on the Windows desktop, for all practical purposes.
And it is worth a cool $100 million a year.
If Firefox is beginning to look more like Chrome there is a reason.
If Net Applications is right, Internet Explorer is going to prove a very strong and resilent contender on Windows 7 and 8.
Meaning that Mozilla cannot afford to lose significant market share on Windows to Chrome.
It has nowhere else to go.
I use Ubuntu and Mint and they are far better than windows 7. I only keep a virtualbox with windows just in case I want to remember old times. Android which is Linux based is much better than the I-phone and I have heard that there is a windows smart phone but I have never seen one; not even a picture.
Linux did not won desktop wars for content consumers or office workers. But if you're an engineer, you're working on big servers, you're processing lot of data, Linux on desktop is nowadays the only way to go. So for the people who are coming from UNIX workstations, who are using terminal a lot, Linux is king of the desktop and will hardly ever go away.
Yeah, but they have a lot of money to spend and they buy expensive high performance hardware.
Notice that Nvidia provides Linux binary drivers of the highest quality, equal to their Windows drivers. It'd be interesting to compare their sales of Quadro GPUs with Linux use. I bet that the correlation is quite high.
Sure, but the question is, if Linux should become everyones darling OS at all. Look what happens with MacOSX right now, more and more professionals are leaving the plattform.
...Snigger means "to laugh" in the sense this article means and "Snicker" is the dumb name they gave to the Marathon bar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snickers - specifically:
It's very popular in The Netherlands. Snickers, Bounty, Mars and Twix (f.k.a. Raiders) are the usual suspects in any place they sell candy bars.
For the record, Sniggers is not in my English (US) dictionary.
Though I agree with you, besides, US English < UK English.
Why do linux advocates have to redefine what linux means in order to prove a point?
Linux on super computers are one off custom software. Researchers use linux here because its source is freely available at no cost. These are forks of mainline linux, and only uses the kernel.
Linux on cell phones are Android (almost exclusively) Android is a fork of mainline linux, and the only thing linux about android is the kernel.
Internet servers, because the only place in server space where Linux are dominant is the LAMP server. This means a minimal user-land and AMP applications only.
Linux as a kernel is successful but as a general purpose server OS it is not very successful and as a desktop OS it is an abysmal failure.
What do you mean abysmal failure? It's my preferred desktop for the workplace as a development environment, and often been my favorite at home with the Mac tied for anything sound-related. Spreadsheet jockeys and people chained to Outlook can do what they want, gamers can do what they want. Most of the people around me are using Linux to get things done.
If you're defining success as being a dominant desktop that you can cart junk from GameStop onto, Crossover and Cedega do a great job of running games these days. You know, if that were important to me and others were pointing at slightly lower benchmarks, I'd sooner fork over cash for a nicer video card than a Windows license.
What I care about is a decent environment that gives me a smooth upgrade path and lets me get started on whatever code I want to write or tweak, and any dependencies are just an apt-get away. Mac Ports could be this good, Cygwin could be... but Linux distributions have got this covered.
If someone wants to best Linux at this, please, go right ahead.