Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 18th Aug 2011 20:30 UTC
Legal "In its case against Samsung Electronics in the Netherlands, Apple is demanding an extensive ban on all Galaxy series smartphones and tablets, including a complete recall of stock by European distributors and resellers. Apple's complaint against Samsung in The Hague district court is much more comprehensive than previously thought. It's not only broader in its legal scope than a separate, ongoing Apple complaint against Samsung in Germany, but an injunction could have a 'huge impact' on the entire European market for smartphones and tablets, according to Alastair Edwards, principal analyst at Canalys." That's how far Apple is willing to go. They are willing to screw over countless resellers - some big, some small, one-shop affairs - because they don't like competition. I wonder how the Grubers of this world are going to spin this one. Hey Steve, I've got another extremely successful Android phone maker for you to sue.
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Hi Apple
by Mellin on Thu 18th Aug 2011 20:37 UTC
Mellin
Member since:
2005-07-06

I bought a samsung galaxy phone sosumi!

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v Well...
by MOS6510 on Thu 18th Aug 2011 20:39 UTC
RE: Well...
by Mellin on Thu 18th Aug 2011 20:42 UTC in reply to "Well..."
Mellin Member since:
2005-07-06

umm cultofmac

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RE: Well...
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 18th Aug 2011 20:42 UTC in reply to "Well..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Where is Archos? Where is PenPointOS (1991)? Where is the DynaBook (1968)? Where is the Knight Ridder?

Want me to go on?

Edited 2011-08-18 20:42 UTC

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v RE[2]: Well...
by MOS6510 on Thu 18th Aug 2011 20:47 UTC in reply to "RE: Well..."
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by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 18th Aug 2011 20:50 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Well..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

That's not what I said. *sigh*.

Of course the iPad inspired current tablets. All I'm saying is that countless tablets before the iPad inspired the iPad - something Apple fanatics refuse to admit.

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v RE[4]: Well...
by MOS6510 on Thu 18th Aug 2011 20:55 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Well..."
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by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 18th Aug 2011 20:56 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Well..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

*bangs head on desk*

I give up.

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RE[6]: Well...
by Mellin on Thu 18th Aug 2011 21:01 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Well..."
Mellin Member since:
2005-07-06

Applefans only fallow what great leader steve jobs tells them

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v RE[6]: Well...
by MOS6510 on Thu 18th Aug 2011 21:02 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Well..."
RE[7]: Well...
by Auzy on Thu 18th Aug 2011 22:02 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Well..."
Auzy Member since:
2008-01-20

Or was it simply an evolution of technology, which Apple was the first to implement? Improved ARM processors which didn't suck which generate minimum heat and new manufacturing processes likely made the new generation possible.

Furthermore, when Multi-touch came to fruition (which wasn't something Apple invented btw), removing all but one or two buttons because obvious, and when you look at usability, placing it on the bottom makes sense (because you shouldn't need to stretch over the screen to go back a page). Changing the way the OS works and interacts with the user also becomes obvious.

Smartphones would have evolved in that direction anyway honestly. But, had any other manufacturer released such a product, they wouldn't have succeeded because they don't have the fan base.

Furthermore, you are totally forgetting about ebook readers, which had a similar design.

Apple might deserve some credit, but I believe if they didn't exist, the market might have gone in that direction anyway.

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RE[7]: Well...
by JAlexoid on Fri 19th Aug 2011 00:11 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Well..."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

I was asking a multimedia version(color LCD) of iRex iLiad back in 2006. And when Apple finally introduced iPad I was thankful that someone has finally did it - a lightweight hyper low power device*. My problem with iPad is only the OS - it's not adapted in any meaningful way(iOS5 should be changing some of those issues).

Apple again shook-up the market, but they did not introduce anything ideologically new.

* - Since ULPs may refer to Intel's Atom crap.

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RE[6]: Well...
by Shkaba on Thu 18th Aug 2011 21:12 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Well..."
Shkaba Member since:
2006-06-22

*bangs head on desk*

I give up.


See my comment on jennymc, it appears it is applicable to a number of iFanatics

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v RE[6]: Well...
by jackeebleu on Fri 19th Aug 2011 03:29 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Well..."
RE[7]: Well...
by tupp on Fri 19th Aug 2011 18:28 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Well..."
tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

This was a real product: http://techcrunch.com/2009/06/03/crunchpad-the-launch-prototype/

You are looking at photos of an actual prototype in an article dated six months before the Ipad was announced.

SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE IPAD WAS ANNOUNCED.

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by ggeldenhuys on Fri 19th Aug 2011 06:23 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Well..."
ggeldenhuys Member since:
2006-11-13

... while the Knight Rider comes pretty close.

Correction, the iPad is a clone / copy / fake of the Knight Ridder. :-) Remember the Knight Ridder came 17 year before the iPad.

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by WorknMan on Thu 18th Aug 2011 21:45 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Well..."
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by TechGeek on Thu 18th Aug 2011 22:41 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Well..."
TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

"Of course the iPad inspired current tablets. All I'm saying is that countless tablets before the iPad inspired the iPad - something Apple fanatics refuse to admit.


Well, even a blind man can see (or feel) that Samsung and its ilk ripped off the iPad with their designs. Question is, should they be sued for it?
"

Actually I would say that both Samsung and Apple ripped off Knight Ridder, since they built it first. But I'm sure you don't want to hear that.

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by jackeebleu on Fri 19th Aug 2011 03:33 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Well..."
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by Soulbender on Fri 19th Aug 2011 16:37 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Well..."
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

What, like Apple facts, aka create-your-own-evidence?

Square with round-corners is not a new design, period.

Of course, when Apple rips off other designs it is called "paying homage" or "re-inventing existing designs" or it's just outright denied. When someone creates something vaguely Apple-like it's a horrible rip-off and a crime almost comparable to genocide.

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by smashIt on Thu 18th Aug 2011 22:54 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Well..."
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2005-07-06

Well, even a blind man can see (or feel) that Samsung and its ilk ripped off the iPad with their designs.


blahblahblah
http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/03/samsungpictureframe.jpg

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RE[6]: Well...
by Shkaba on Thu 18th Aug 2011 23:27 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Well..."
Shkaba Member since:
2006-06-22

"Well, even a blind man can see (or feel) that Samsung and its ilk ripped off the iPad with their designs.


blahblahblah
http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/03/samsungpictureframe.jpg
"

And these are all different


http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/category/televisions/21344.aspx?path=70...

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by Fergy on Fri 19th Aug 2011 05:22 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Well..."
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Well, even a blind man can see (or feel) that Samsung and its ilk ripped off the iPad with their designs. Question is, should they be sued for it?

You really think a large touchscreen with a battery is a great invention that a 6 year old couldn't have thought of?

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RE[5]: Well...
by phoudoin on Fri 19th Aug 2011 06:25 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Well..."
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

Not "even", but "mostly".
And the question is what make these man blind in the first place?

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RE[5]: Well...
by ggeldenhuys on Fri 19th Aug 2011 06:27 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Well..."
ggeldenhuys Member since:
2006-11-13

Question is, should they be sued for it?


According to Apple, they have a patent (community design or whatever) on a rectangle shape. So they should then sue every LCD makes, TV manufacturer, every car maker, every PC casing manufacturer, keyboard manufacturers, etc... oh the windows in my house are also rectangular, so they should also be put in the pot.

This is absolutely absurd!!! Apple is now (and maybe even worse) than the Microsoft from the 90's.

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by WorknMan on Fri 19th Aug 2011 06:42 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Well..."
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

According to Apple, they have a patent (community design or whatever) on a rectangle shape.


Obviously not, since pretty much every other tablet that came before the iPad was rectangle in design, so there's gotta be more to it than that. Do you even know the nature of the patent(s)?

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RE[4]: Well...
by dtahiti on Fri 19th Aug 2011 18:05 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Well..."
dtahiti Member since:
2011-01-13

Of course the iPad inspired current tablets.


Wow ! Did I just read that well, or is there a typo ?
Now, how about adding that "iPhone inspired Galaxy S phone" as well ?
How about also "App Store app inspired Android Market app" ?

Besides that, I don't recall hearing from Apple executives that they invented the smartphone or the tablets. But They have been successful reinventing them so that it would not just be for nerds, but also compelling for average Joe.

I can't think the same for Google on Android, they really just look like playing catchup from the beginning. Market share (> iPhone) is coming from its willingness to not compete on the hardware side (initially before last Monday), and giving for free (or close to) so that existing major manufacturers switch to it, replacing Windows Mobile OS and Symbian underneath the interface (remember how hard it has been for Google to inially convince them to come aboard, until it became obvious they had to do it or else, becoming irrellevant like Nokia).

All the openness has just been for PR, to please nerds but you could see how nervous they got if you take Android as is (open source), asking you to not load Google Apps if doing so (Maps, Market, Gmail, etc).

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RE: Well...
by andydread on Thu 18th Aug 2011 22:11 UTC in reply to "Well..."
andydread Member since:
2009-02-02

The iPad can at least be considered inspiring:

http://www.cultofmac.com/what-tablets-looked-like-before-the-ipad-p...


Thats some neat propaganda you posted there. So... tell me. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1381528/Knight-Ridde...

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by jackeebleu on Fri 19th Aug 2011 03:34 UTC in reply to "RE: Well..."
jackeebleu Member since:
2006-01-26

which was never built

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RE[3]: Well...
by Fergy on Fri 19th Aug 2011 05:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Well..."
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

which was never built

The point is that the design was right there. All Apple had to do was tell a hardware maker: "make me something like this"

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RE[4]: Well...
by MOS6510 on Fri 19th Aug 2011 09:13 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Well..."
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

So now we wait until someone asks to build a flying car I guess.

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by rr7.num7 on Fri 19th Aug 2011 19:23 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Well..."
rr7.num7 Member since:
2010-04-30

Oh, come on. This topic and discussion is about desing, not the inside workings of the tablets/phones. So yes, if today you created a prototype for a flying car, then in 5-10-whatever years when the technology is ready, anyone could create a model based on your design (as long as the laws of physics allow it).

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by BallmerKnowsBest on Sat 20th Aug 2011 20:05 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Well..."
BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

So now we wait until someone asks to build a flying car I guess.


If they did, the creators of The Jetsons would have just as much of a case as Apple does against Samsung. Oh, and speaking of tech companies stealing ideas from science fiction:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/08/how-star-trek-artists-ima...

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RE[6]: Well...
by MOS6510 on Sat 20th Aug 2011 20:10 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Well..."
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

How can Apple steal stuff that hasn't been made yet? Star Trek is set way in to the future. Steve himself said Apple can't break the laws of physics, yet.

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by BallmerKnowsBest on Sun 21st Aug 2011 01:42 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Well..."
BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

How can Apple steal stuff that hasn't been made yet? Star Trek is set way in to the future. Steve himself said Apple can't break the laws of physics, yet.


I'd explain it to you, but most people have difficulty understanding statements made in the Future Semi-Conditionally Modified Subinverted Plagal Past Subjunctive Intentional tense.

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by Neolander on Mon 22nd Aug 2011 10:04 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Well..."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

How can Apple steal stuff that hasn't been made yet? Star Trek is set way in to the future. Steve himself said Apple can't break the laws of physics, yet.

Except Star Trek is not something from the future. It's a modern-day fiction show. Which means that modern-day designers worked on it, and came up with the tablet design.

(And in a better way, I think, since ST's tablets can apparently be thrown around without breaking. Metal and glass sure are aesthetically pleasing, but not such a good idea on a device that you carry around... Oh, well, guess someone will someday figure out that plastic is not only suitable for cheap stuff)

Edited 2011-08-22 10:04 UTC

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RE: Well...
by FunkyELF on Fri 19th Aug 2011 12:49 UTC in reply to "Well..."
FunkyELF Member since:
2006-07-26

This was posted from another OSNews article...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1381528/Knight-Ridde...

Also, when you say "before IPad and after IPad" you could replace IPad with "Black Eyed Peas", "Lady Gaga", or "2007".... it doesn't mean anything.

I think etch a sketch should take apple to court over community design in EU. They obviously have prior art on this.

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RE[2]: Well...
by MOS6510 on Fri 19th Aug 2011 13:34 UTC in reply to "RE: Well..."
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

From what I've heard now is that the Knight Rider never came to the market. The iPad did and this is when The Others started planning theirs.

They didn't do this after the Knight Rider or any other ancient tablet, not even after the Microsoft tablet PCs. So the release of the iPad is a significant point in time and influenced what came after it.

But again I personally don't mind other tablets looking like the iPad.

I also don't consider "etch a sketch" a tablet computer. They are fun though!

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Lookalikes?
by zegenie on Thu 18th Aug 2011 22:07 UTC
zegenie
Member since:
2005-12-31

Why is it that when anything else looks the same, it's no big deal, but as soon as someone makes another product with the same look as an Apple product, everyones up in arms?

Compare any TV, toaster, toilet, washing machine, tumbledryer, shoes, car, laptop - *they're* ALL the freaking same. Minor variations over a similar design, and some don't even look any different. It's natural, logical and perfectly legal.

Edited 2011-08-18 22:08 UTC

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RE: Lookalikes?
by jackeebleu on Fri 19th Aug 2011 03:41 UTC in reply to "Lookalikes?"
jackeebleu Member since:
2006-01-26

So there is no other form factor for a media streaming device either cause its so obvious right?

http://images.apple.com/appletv/images/specs_dimensions20100901.jpg

I mean who does Apple think they are? Why should they be the only one that can use designs they build?

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/08a9f.jpg

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/5a755.jpg

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RE[2]: Lookalikes?
by Ultimatebadass on Fri 19th Aug 2011 07:32 UTC in reply to "RE: Lookalikes?"
Ultimatebadass Member since:
2006-01-08

My old Linksys wag-200g adsl modem is also a square with rounded corners (apparently that's now a "design")...

I'm pretty sure it came well before apple tv, linksys should totaly sue ;)

Edited 2011-08-19 07:36 UTC

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RE[3]: Lookalikes?
by jackeebleu on Fri 19th Aug 2011 22:11 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Lookalikes?"
jackeebleu Member since:
2006-01-26

if your Linksys was a media streamer and had optical and Ethernet on the back you'd have a case, but since thats not the case...

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RE[4]: Lookalikes?
by tupp on Sat 20th Aug 2011 05:43 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Lookalikes?"
tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

if your Linksys was a media streamer and had optical and Ethernet on the back you'd have a case, but since thats not the case...

No. He definitely had the "case" before the Apple TV/Mac Mini.

Apple's action of merely swapping the innards does not make the enclosure an original Apple design.

Edited 2011-08-20 05:46 UTC

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Comment by sagum
by sagum on Fri 19th Aug 2011 00:06 UTC
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2006-01-23

They are willing to screw over countless resellers - some big, some small, one-shop affairs - because they don't like competition


Not sure how it is in other EU places but here in the UK, tere is no competition anyway. I hope apple rips it apart so there actually IS competition when they have to rethink their con-shops.

We have several brandnames all under one holding company, its stupid. Price locked, price fixed. All run by the same few company.

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Running scared
by Pana4 on Fri 19th Aug 2011 04:13 UTC
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2010-09-17

There's nothing left for Apple, they've disabled every function and feature they can to "be different" Now they're just another annoying company that can't control it's anti-consumer greed.

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RE: Running scared
by blitze on Fri 19th Aug 2011 12:45 UTC in reply to "Running scared"
blitze Member since:
2006-09-15

Yeah pretty much sums up how I feel about them. I can't believe HP has gone and rolled over as well. I like their laptops and was thinking the company was on track to a revival. Obviously short term blindness (A Western Capitalism Affliction) seems to have taken another victim.

And we wonder why we are falling off a cliff in slow motion??

Dear Apple, stop being such techno PRICKS and allow consumers the freedom to choose what they want without your behind the scenes manipulations.

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ugh...
by Tuxie on Fri 19th Aug 2011 07:53 UTC
Tuxie
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2009-04-22

This is only getting Messier.

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Crazy World
by OSGuy on Fri 19th Aug 2011 09:32 UTC
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2006-01-01

To me it looks like Apple's strategy is to block any product that might possibly beat them. I believe this is not about patents, it's about power, dominance and fear of competition. To me it looks like patents are just their pathetic excuse to simply block competition because they are scared.

Apple demands an extensive ban on these devices, covering manufacturing, stocking, importing, distributing, trading or selling by Samsung Korea and its Dutch subsidiaries, which include Samsung Logistics BV and Samsung Overseas BV.

Well that will surely drive iPhone sales up.

To me, this shows that Apple is afraid of losing dominance simply because Samsung has been extremely successful and the iPhone followers will buy everything that's sleek and shiny and made by Apple. They have no idea what kind of company they are supporting. Oh well, ignorance is bliss....let them be happy.

I will never buy a product that's made by Apple, no exceptions.

Edited 2011-08-19 09:37 UTC

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RE: Crazy World
by Thomas2005 on Fri 19th Aug 2011 18:29 UTC in reply to "Crazy World"
Thomas2005 Member since:
2005-11-07

To me, this shows that Apple is afraid of losing dominance simply because Samsung has been extremely successful and the iPhone followers will buy everything that's sleek and shiny and made by Apple.

Correct me if I am wrong but Samsung has the ability to manufacture every part of the tablet, except maybe for the glass panel, and that is the "threat" Apples sees.

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Hmm
by dmck on Fri 19th Aug 2011 14:10 UTC
dmck
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2006-11-02

Well Acorn did make a few (but not sell) tablet like computer in 1995 called the NewPad

http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Computers/NC.html

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Come and take it from me, I dare you Jobs
by silviucc on Fri 19th Aug 2011 14:37 UTC
silviucc
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2009-12-05

What about some sort of Apple police going from home to home and confiscating Samsung phones ?

Fuck you Apple! I used to think MS was evil (and they were) but you dwarf them.

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