Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 21:51 UTC, submitted by Beta
Legal "Microsoft, the world's largest software maker, began arguing its U.S. trade case that Android-based smartphones made by Motorola Mobility Holdings use technology derived from Microsoft inventions. In a trial that began today before the International Trade Commission in Washington, Microsoft accused Motorola Mobility of infringing seven of its patents and requested a halt to imports of certain Motorola phones. The ITC has the power to stop imports of products that violate U.S. patent rights." Hey at least these patent trolls ensure we got stuff to write about.
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Missing a link
by AdamW on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 22:53 UTC
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Story has no links at all.

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RE: Missing a link
by tuma324 on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 23:13 UTC in reply to "Missing a link"
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2010-04-09

http://www.google.com/search?q=Microsoft+Says+Motorola's+Android+Phones+Infringe+Its+Patents

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RE: Missing a link
by Neolander on Wed 24th Aug 2011 07:28 UTC in reply to "Missing a link"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Better this way ? (Just put the words in a search engine, don't know if this was the actual original article)

Edited 2011-08-24 07:32 UTC

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Comment by shmerl
by shmerl on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 23:09 UTC
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Hehe. That was expected. Time for Google to strike those brazen racketeers hard.

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Android not the phone
by werfu on Wed 24th Aug 2011 00:04 UTC
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2005-09-15

Isn't it Android who infringing on the patents? Couldn't Motorola simply import the hardware without Android than install it on the phone in the USA?

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The Link
by testman on Wed 24th Aug 2011 00:05 UTC
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Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), the world’s largest software maker, began arguing its U.S. trade case that Android- based smartphones made by Motorola Mobility Holdings Inc. use technology derived from Microsoft inventions.

Not hard to find at all:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-22/microsoft-says-motorola-s-...

Now please resume with your insightful Microsoft/Apple/Oracle conspiracies.

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RE: The Link
by kpugovkin on Wed 24th Aug 2011 01:18 UTC in reply to "The Link"
kpugovkin Member since:
2011-07-05

'Conspiracy' is a very popular straw man argument word. Modern people are too selfish and stupid for conspiracies, or are they? Recent events in Egypt and Lybia cast some doubts on that.

it's hard to deny, that there is a lot of "The Godfather" style collusions or simple market divisions in corporate America.
For big corporation there is always a strong temptation to behave like a big street gang, suppressing competitors with robbery and bribes.

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RE[2]: The Link
by testman on Thu 25th Aug 2011 01:50 UTC in reply to "RE: The Link"
testman Member since:
2007-10-15

For big corporation there is always a strong temptation to behave like a big street gang, suppressing competitors with robbery and bribes.

It happens in small businesses too, especially ones that compete directly with one another. Corporations are in fact bound by far more stringent laws than small business in most countries and are subject to a much higher degree of scrutiny.

Make no mistake, your preferred "Mom 'n Pop" cornerstore would fight tooth and nail to protect their business from a competitor that opened in their neighbourhood. It's their livelihood, and people have always fought for their livelihoods in whatever way they are permitted or can get away with.

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Protection money
by CapEnt on Wed 24th Aug 2011 00:57 UTC
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2005-12-18

Looks like Motorola don't want to give "protection money" to MS anymore...

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RE: Protection money
by Lennie on Wed 24th Aug 2011 18:02 UTC in reply to "Protection money"
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2007-09-22

Actually, I think Motorola was one of the few that didn't. I guess Microsoft didn't want to start a patent war with Motorola.

So, I guess, now that Motorola Mobility has been removed from the rest of Motorola and sold to Google they think they can attack Motorola Mobility.

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More crap like this is the answer :(
by Alfman on Wed 24th Aug 2011 01:41 UTC
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2011-01-28

As much as I despise the patent system in the US, I think the only way to get the attention of congress to put a stop this legalized extortion is for more companies to abuse their patent rights.

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

As much as I despise the patent system in the US, I think the only way to get the attention of congress to put a stop this legalized extortion is for more companies to abuse their patent rights.


Or just keep bitching about it on tech blogs, like Thom does, and hope that some congressman logs in one day and finally sees the light.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

WorknMan,

"Or just keep bitching about it on tech blogs, like Thom does, and hope that some congressman logs in one day and finally sees the light."

I do think it's important to keep the issue in the spotlight, even though the topic is repetitive.

Attacks on freedom is not something to take lightly. If we ignore the battles we will loose the war.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

WorknMan,

If that's how you feel, then why bother reading these patent threads? Where is the problem?

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

If that's how you feel, then why bother reading these patent threads? Where is the problem?


Oh, you know... I figure if some of us do enough bitching about all these patent articles, maybe it might actually inspire Thom and his ilk to post a lot less of them, just like how bloggers keep thinking that telling us about every finger gesture patent lawsuit that comes up might actually result in less patents.

See my previous definition of insanity ;)

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molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

"If that's how you feel, then why bother reading these patent threads? Where is the problem?


Oh, you know... I figure if some of us do enough bitching about all these patent articles, maybe it might actually inspire Thom and his ilk to post a lot less of
"

You mean all three of you and the numerous mrshasbeen clones? Why do you come here just to bitch about the articles? You can... I don't know... just ignore them? Maybe? You know, I have zero interest in Haiku news, and I don't go trolling Haiku threads. You could do the same.

Patents are hot news because this is what is happening right now in this market segment (mobile/software) and it may have a dramatic affect on the future of innovation and consumer choice. Convince Apple, MS, Oracle, etc to stop this nonsense of patenting ideas and concepts, and voila, patent news will disappear.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Do you know what the definition of insanity is?


Maybe it is "person who continue to read articles that do not interest him and then continue to bitch about how uninteresting those articles are".

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phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Sounds about right: insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting to get different results. ;)

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Well, since Thom isn't an american citizen he can't really write his senator or something.

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vitae Member since:
2006-02-20

Congress is already talking about it, but they're all on the corporate payroll anyway. Fire all of them, start from scratch and maybe we'd actually get some problems fixed.

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WW III
by TusharG on Wed 24th Aug 2011 06:12 UTC
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2005-07-06

Finally we are going to see court case between MS & Google... a long match that was sure to happen one day. Go on guys you fight it out and we will watch the fun... Thanks for Americas broken patent system.

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RE: WW III
by shmerl on Wed 24th Aug 2011 14:49 UTC in reply to "WW III"
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2010-06-08

Yeah, about some time for MS to get serious beating. So far they only tried to suck money from weak opponents.

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RE[2]: WW III
by dsmogor on Fri 26th Aug 2011 14:09 UTC in reply to "RE: WW III"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

I woudn't exactly call Samsung "weak"...

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Dear Steve
by BallmerKnowsBest on Wed 24th Aug 2011 15:48 UTC
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2008-06-02

From: Ballmer, Steven
To: Jobs, Steven
Subject: Thanks!

It looks like our plan is succeeding. Not only have our combined efforts managed to push Google into a situation where they're competing with their own OEMs (making Android even less attractive), but now we also have Motorola as a perfect avenue to go after Google directly without actually having to go after them directly.

Now we just have to keep putting money and marketing behind WP7 and, in a few years, it will start to displace Android just by attrition alone. Not that this was our plan all along... oh well, shucks, you caught me, actually it was our plan all along (sheepish grin goes here). Really now, did you honestly think that this relationship was for your benefit?

But hey, I'm a nice guy. If you play along, I'll let you keep a comfortable little niche (just like we did back in the late 90s). All you have to do is make Bing & other Microsoft services the default for everything in iOS. Otherwise? Well, after we're done with Android, who do you think is next on the list?

Yours in duopoly,
Steve

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RE: Dear Steve
by Lennie on Wed 24th Aug 2011 18:08 UTC in reply to "Dear Steve"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

I really doubt this is the style of email writing of Steve Ballmer.

There has to be atleast some more exclamation marks.

Probably with a signature attached with:
Developers ! Developers ! Developers !

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RE[2]: Dear Steve
by Stephen! on Wed 24th Aug 2011 18:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Dear Steve"
Stephen! Member since:
2007-11-24

I really doubt this is the style of email writing of Steve Ballmer.

There has to be atleast some more exclamation marks.


So probably something like, "Curse you, Google!!! I'll destroy Android if it's the last thing I ever do!!!!! MuHaHaHaHa!!!!!!!!! "

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v the future of computing
by kristoph on Wed 24th Aug 2011 16:07 UTC
RE: the future of computing
by Neolander on Thu 25th Aug 2011 07:16 UTC in reply to "the future of computing"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

If excessive patenting wins, computing as we know it has no future.

It will in effect legitimate a few big companies, and crush all minors actors. Competition will thus end.

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RE[2]: the future of computing
by dsmogor on Fri 26th Aug 2011 14:12 UTC in reply to "RE: the future of computing"
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2005-09-01

Or the most innovative companies will leave the US market.

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RE[3]: the future of computing
by Neolander on Fri 26th Aug 2011 14:13 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: the future of computing"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Well, Apple just showed that EU companies are not totally immune to patent craziness.

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a funny thing I noticed,
by bugeyedcreepy on Wed 24th Aug 2011 17:56 UTC
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2010-04-18

Mirosoft Spokesjoker: "... Windows Phone 7, which competes with Android and Apple Inc. (AAPL)’s iPhone."

WP7 might be in the market but I doubly doubt it's competing with anything else right now except it's own inertial mass...

Edited 2011-08-24 17:59 UTC

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Comment by Stephen!
by Stephen! on Wed 24th Aug 2011 18:17 UTC
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2007-11-24

"Microsoft, the world's largest software maker, began arguing its U.S. trade case that Android-based smartphones made by Motorola Mobility Holdings use technology derived from Microsoft inventions.


What exactly do they consider to be Microsoft inventions?

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which patents?
by bnolsen on Wed 24th Aug 2011 20:07 UTC
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2006-01-06

I see "7 patents" but which 7?

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Comment by AaronMiller
by AaronMiller on Sat 27th Aug 2011 07:35 UTC
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2011-05-23

"(2:30:07 AM) Matthew: The children need to grow up.
(2:30:19 AM) Matthew: You can quote me."

Just thought I'd share.

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