Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Dec 2011 22:41 UTC
Apple "Apple could face disruption to its iPad sales in China after a court rejected its claim to own the iPad trademark in the country and a rival sought to halt sales of the tablet device in two Chinese cities. The developments are the latest in a long-running dispute between Apple and Proview Technology (Shenzhen), a struggling Taiwanese-owned company that registered trademarks for the name IPAD in many countries long before Apple conceived its smash hit tablet computer." Apple is clearly copying from this innovative Chinese company. If Apple fanatics are actually consistent (*), they would condemn Apple for this clear case of theft.
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Comment by ephracis
by ephracis on Thu 8th Dec 2011 00:58 UTC
ephracis
Member since:
2007-09-23

As I was reading this right below the story there was a huge advertisement for something iBank. ;)

Can someone tell me just what the deal with the i-prefix is? Does it have any meaning, like the e-prefix?

Of course, I realize that in the case described in the article it seems that there was no actual i-prefix, just the four letter IPAD in uppercase.

Maybe I should start a naming scheme with a upperletter R suffix...

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RE: Comment by ephracis
by LeeZH on Thu 8th Dec 2011 02:00 UTC in reply to "Comment by ephracis"
LeeZH Member since:
2010-10-21

Personally, I think the i-prefix was used when the e-prefix was starting to feel old.

I remember watching a film somewhere in which a business man was trying to smooth talk that it encompass intelligent, interconnected, or something like that. Or it could've been Dilbert. I'm not too sure. ;)

Maybe we should start popularising the p-prefix. That way I'll be in stitches whenever someone mentions the p-cam.

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RE: Comment by ephracis
by MOS6510 on Thu 8th Dec 2011 05:57 UTC in reply to "Comment by ephracis"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

The first iThing was the iMac in 1998, it stood for Internet.

After that it became a marketing thing.

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RE[2]: Comment by ephracis
by Moredhas on Thu 8th Dec 2011 07:53 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by ephracis"
Moredhas Member since:
2008-04-10

Before then, I think it was commonplace to prefix things with "Intelligent" or "Intelli", but I could be misremembering. This was more than half my life ago ;)

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RE[3]: Comment by ephracis
by MOS6510 on Thu 8th Dec 2011 08:11 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by ephracis"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Intelligent Design? ;-)

I don't recall any general naming trend. I think most naming conventions were more or less restricted to certain brands. I think IBM liked to put an e in front of stuff.

Personally I would prefer any naming strategy to actually mean something.

Apple's i stood for Internet, but most iPods don't have Internet access. Only the iPod touch does and it came years after the original iPod. It's a cool name, but I don't see a link between Internet, a pod (I do know where they got that name from) and a media player.

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RE[2]: Comment by ephracis
by tupp on Thu 8th Dec 2011 15:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by ephracis"
tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

The first iThing was the iMac in 1998, it stood for Internet.


No.

"IThings" were around long before Apple had them.

Here is the Lowel iLight: http://www.bwitekblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ilight1.jpg

The iLight first appeared in 1985, as did it's trademark.

There are other earlier examples, and there has been at least one thread on OSNews on the subject.

Again, Apple just doesn't actually originate much.

Edited 2011-12-08 15:43 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by ephracis
by MOS6510 on Thu 8th Dec 2011 16:55 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by ephracis"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Okay, for once I'll admit you're right, even though it took a strange looking lamp.

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RE[3]: Comment by ephracis
by thavith_osn on Fri 9th Dec 2011 14:18 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by ephracis"
thavith_osn Member since:
2005-07-11

There is nothing new under the sun. If you think you have thought of something first, chances are you haven't...

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RE: Comment by ephracis
by zima on Thu 8th Dec 2011 09:20 UTC in reply to "Comment by ephracis"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

"i" stands for imaginary (also, notably: i^2 = -1 )

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RE: Comment by ephracis
by Laurence on Thu 8th Dec 2011 12:47 UTC in reply to "Comment by ephracis"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26


Maybe I should start a naming scheme with a upperletter R suffix...

...or uppercase K prefix, oh that's already been done

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RE[2]: Comment by ephracis
by jabbotts on Thu 8th Dec 2011 17:01 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by ephracis"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Ah yes.. it's confusing and conveluted when KDE bases a naming convention around it's overall product suite. but when Apple develops a naming convention not related to it's company name and primary Mac brand, it's magic and revolutionary.

But then, I've found the people who get hung up over the name rather than the actual merits of the thing don't usually have anything of substance to offer beyond the superficial title.

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RE[3]: Comment by ephracis
by unclefester on Fri 9th Dec 2011 04:55 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by ephracis"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

I'm still wating for the new KDE programmes -Krock, Krud, Krap and Kumshot - to be released.

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RE[4]: Comment by ephracis - why wait
by jabbotts on Fri 9th Dec 2011 13:03 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by ephracis"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

just grab the source and Kompile them yourself.

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If...
by thavith_osn on Thu 8th Dec 2011 03:19 UTC
thavith_osn
Member since:
2005-07-11

...some other company had iPad before Apple in China (or anywhere), then they are entitled to use it and Apple has no right to try and stop them!

I'm an Apple fanboy since 1980. Just because I like products made by a particular company doesn't mean I subscribe to everything they believe or do, I am sure most fans of most things are the same.

I love my Ford Falcon, but Henry was totally into the Nazi thing. Doesn't mean I stop driving my Ford, but also doesn't mean I want to be a Nazi either.

Apple does some cool stuff, but they also do some pretty silly stuff do, as does Google, as does MS, as does everyone else...

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Origins of 'I'
by tanishaj on Thu 8th Dec 2011 04:12 UTC
tanishaj
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2010-12-22

I was an "eBusiness Manager" (my actual title) back when the 'i' first appeared. At the time, it was understood to imply "Internet". This was around 2000 and "Internet" was still a big deal. Not that "2.0" and "Cloud" are really any different of course.

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it's the law
by kristoph on Thu 8th Dec 2011 04:17 UTC
kristoph
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2006-01-01

The law is the law. If someone else filed a legitimate claim for the iPad name in advance of Apple then Apple either has to pay them off (which is almost certainly what they want) or rename the iPad in China to something else.

Unfortunately for Apple the next best name - XYBoard - is already taken ;-)

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RE: it's the law
by spiderman on Thu 8th Dec 2011 07:48 UTC in reply to "it's the law"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23

I hope they sell the brand to Samsung instead of Apple.

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RE[2]: it's the law
by qroon on Thu 8th Dec 2011 16:52 UTC in reply to "RE: it's the law"
qroon Member since:
2005-10-21

A Samsung Ipad in China will be a cool product. I'd ask friends in China to buy me one (even if I don't have a need for a tablet right now).

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RE: it's the law
by Laurence on Thu 8th Dec 2011 12:51 UTC in reply to "it's the law"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

The law is the law. If someone else filed a legitimate claim for the iPad name in advance of Apple then Apple either has to pay them off (which is almost certainly what they want)

There was this case of a computer company using the same name as a record label, who strictly forbid said computer company from releasing any music-orientated products.

Funny enough, that was Apple and they released the iPod regardless.

Edited 2011-12-08 12:52 UTC

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Cisco had Iphone first didn't they?

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spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23

is was and still is IOS.

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phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Yeah. Apple licensed the name from them.

Same for iOS; Cisco had that first as well (IOS being the OS on their routers).

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

I remember the licensing being the result of a court case rather than Apple going "hey, we'd like to use that.. could we license it?"

I know both companies are running the IOS name but for the first commenter, there was actually a phone called the Iphone. I belive it was a wifi connecting or voip phone so both Iphone and IOS where "borrowed" after some legal debate. Apple is developing bit of of a history of knowingly taking other's names because it fits there marketing plan at the time.

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It's not THAT easy
by B. Janssen on Thu 8th Dec 2011 07:25 UTC
B. Janssen
Member since:
2006-10-11

From TFA, Apple purchased the "global trademark" of "IPAD" from Proview Electronics in 2006 but apparently the TM-holder in China is Proview Technology, another daughter of Proview International. The dispute is about whether the "global trademark" covers the Chinese TM, too, or not.

I can't express my opinion of Apple and people giving Apple money in a friendly manner, so I'll refrain, but this is not looking like some kind of strong-arm tactic or willful neglect on the side of Apple.

Edited 2011-12-08 07:26 UTC

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iNteractive
by djrikki on Thu 8th Dec 2011 20:25 UTC
djrikki
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2011-09-02

I've already assumed the letter 'i' was short for 'interactive'.

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sounds familiar
by unclefester on Thu 8th Dec 2011 21:54 UTC
unclefester
Member since:
2007-01-13

The US based Deckers has trademarked the term UGG in in 145 countries to brand their sheepskin boots. This is despite the fact that "ugg" boots were invented in Australia and the name has been a generic term here and in NZ for nearly 40 years.

The great irony is that in Australia ugg boots were traditionally only worn by bogons ("rednecks/trailer trash"). In the US they are considered to be high fashion items.

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RE: sounds familiar
by testman on Thu 8th Dec 2011 23:18 UTC in reply to "sounds familiar"
testman Member since:
2007-10-15

The great irony is that in Australia ugg boots were traditionally only worn by bogons ("rednecks/trailer trash"). In the US they are considered to be high fashion items.

Oh come on now, everyone has a pair! They're the best thing for a winter's day. :-)

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RE[2]: sounds familiar
by unclefester on Fri 9th Dec 2011 04:56 UTC in reply to "RE: sounds familiar"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

I have a pair too. But you don't wear them outside of the house if you have any dignity.

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Comment by ilovebeer
by ilovebeer on Fri 9th Dec 2011 04:26 UTC
ilovebeer
Member since:
2011-08-08

There are more important things happening in the world than to worry about stupid shit like this... Instead of wasting money on these dumb ass lawsuits, spend it on something that actually has positive impact in peoples lives.

Sorry, ....was dreaming there for a second.

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Stroking the ego
by Pana4 on Fri 9th Dec 2011 13:56 UTC
Pana4
Member since:
2010-09-17

From a book I read long ago by a somewhat famous car salesman on marketing and sales, it was a psychological technique used to get a customer to say the words "I" and "me" as many times as possible in a sales transaction.

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haha
by Lorin on Mon 12th Dec 2011 02:45 UTC
Lorin
Member since:
2010-04-06

Nothing new here, Apple even stole the design from crunchpad which released prototype designs 18 months before apple even announced an iPAD

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