Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 8th Dec 2011 12:22 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y So, Marco Arment, John Gruber, and MG Siegler (has anyone ever seen them in the same room?) all jumped on a quote from Eric Schmidt which was supposedly very arrogant and proves Schmidt knows no developer likes Android. The joke's on them, though, since none of them actually bothered to watch the source video to verify Schmidt was quoted properly. As it turns out, he was not, as Julian Yap notes. Update: Arment, Siegler, and Gruber have posted updates.
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gee, another cnet special
by TechGeek on Thu 8th Dec 2011 12:53 UTC
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What a coincidence. Yesterday I read about cnet bundling malware with their open source apps for Microsoft. Today I read a totally misquoted article making Schmidt and Android look bad. Maybe Microsoft has totally taken over cnet?

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Gruber, CNET et al
by kragil on Thu 8th Dec 2011 13:02 UTC
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Sorry, but those are just some sell-out aholes that can't see past their own behinds.

Edited 2011-12-08 13:02 UTC

Reply Score: 9

RE: Gruber, CNET et al
by karunko on Thu 8th Dec 2011 13:35 UTC in reply to "Gruber, CNET et al"
karunko Member since:
2008-10-28

Sorry, but those are just some sell-out aholes that can't see past their own behinds.

I wanted to vote you +1000 but I'd rather make a distinction between the three of them:

- Marco Arment is a developer who occasionally writes useful software;

- John Gruber tries to appear reasonable but, since he really isn't, can't keep up the pretense for very long;

- MG Siegler, on the other hand, has no redeeming features whatsoever -- but he could have been a great pon-pon girl!


RT.

Reply Score: 8

RE[2]: Gruber
by kragil on Thu 8th Dec 2011 14:39 UTC in reply to "RE: Gruber, CNET et al"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

Gruber is an Apple marketing bot. Everybody who reads his crap even just because so many people read it is ugly and stupid. Sorry, Gruber has the most one-sided view of the world one can think of. If you think you have a brain and you read Gruber you don't really have one and I don't really get why he is mentioned so often everywhere. That one ad on his site (which everybody probably reads via RSS) pays for his family? Yeah sure ... Apple is paying. No doubt about that.

Reply Score: 6

v RE[3]: Gruber
by testman on Thu 8th Dec 2011 22:59 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Gruber"
RE[4]: Gruber
by kragil on Fri 9th Dec 2011 13:37 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Gruber"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

I read enough of his garbage to make up own mind. And even now his "correction"(well update) is more like: "Yeah well, I suck as a blogger and don't check my sources but I am still great and IOS is still pure awesomeness and Android sucks and everything I wrote is still kind of right although it was proven to be wrong.

Everybody who reads that kind of horse manure needs to get his head checked PERIOD

Reply Score: 4

v Clever Google
by Kebabbert on Thu 8th Dec 2011 13:19 UTC
RE: Clever Google
by SojoPhoto on Thu 8th Dec 2011 13:31 UTC in reply to "Clever Google"
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2011-12-08

And Apple is nicer, more of a friend, etc... ?

In today's world, as long as you have a connection, whether it be a cell phone, home phone, cable, internet, or anything, you have given your information to the world. Even buying a car, you sign those papers, and they sell your information to the world. Why? Becahse they make money. At least with Google, I am aware of this, and it is known, unlike other companies who try and hide the fact. Everyone knows Google makes money off of the people who use their products, but people are ignorant to think companies like, Apple, HP, Dell, and others do not.

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RE[2]: Clever Google
by _xmv on Thu 8th Dec 2011 14:29 UTC in reply to "RE: Clever Google"
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2008-12-09

And Apple is nicer, more of a friend, etc... ?

In today's world, as long as you have a connection, whether it be a cell phone, home phone, cable, internet, or anything, you have given your information to the world. Even buying a car, you sign those papers, and they sell your information to the world. Why? Becahse they make money. At least with Google, I am aware of this, and it is known, unlike other companies who try and hide the fact. Everyone knows Google makes money off of the people who use their products, but people are ignorant to think companies like, Apple, HP, Dell, and others do not.


There are companies that do not do that, and actively fight against it. Take Mozilla for example.

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RE[3]: Clever Google
by cmchittom on Thu 8th Dec 2011 17:41 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Clever Google"
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2011-03-18

Er, what? Mozilla makes most of its money from Google: http://www.osnews.com/comments/25398

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RE: Clever Google
by WorknMan on Thu 8th Dec 2011 13:34 UTC in reply to "Clever Google"
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(Comments removed by user)

Edited 2011-12-08 13:36 UTC

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RE: Clever Google
by karunko on Thu 8th Dec 2011 13:37 UTC in reply to "Clever Google"
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2008-10-28

Why is google my friend? What friend? How is Google nice? Is Facebook also my friend? Should I give Facebook and Google access to all my personal data?

What has this to do with Thom's post? Short attention span or? ;-)


RT.

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RE[2]: Clever Google
by Neolander on Thu 8th Dec 2011 14:42 UTC in reply to "RE: Clever Google"
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2010-03-08

Char-perfect copy of a post he made somewhere else. It made sense in the context of the topic where it was initially posted.

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RE: Clever Google
by mantrik00 on Thu 8th Dec 2011 13:42 UTC in reply to "Clever Google"
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2011-07-06

But Google knows as much about users of its services and products as Apple, or any other service provider. To their credit Google manages to attract so many users despite spending frugal amounts for advertising when compared to humongous ad budget of Apple (which was almost $700 million in 2010).

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RE: Clever Google
by andydread on Thu 8th Dec 2011 15:42 UTC in reply to "Clever Google"
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2009-02-02

I really admire Google's manipulation of people and very subtile advertising. The marketing people at Google are very good and thought hard to come up with this simple sentence:

"Google is your friend"

Simply genius. Many people write it, and say it everyday without knowing that Google is doing. Google has been working hard to spread that sentence among common people. And people dont know they are spreading and instilling what Google want us to think of Google. Never mind all the espionage Google and Facebook does on us. Everybody should chant "Google is nice", "Google is your friend", "Google is not evil". etc

Why is google my friend? What friend? How is Google nice? Is Facebook also my friend? Should I give Facebook and Google access to all my personal data?


The only difference is that with Microsoft and Apple you PAY real money for the privilege of having you data shared with advertisers. Thanks but not thanks. Either way I'll go the free route.

Reply Score: 5

RE[2]: Clever Google
by leos on Thu 8th Dec 2011 16:02 UTC in reply to "RE: Clever Google"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

The only difference is that with Microsoft and Apple you PAY real money for the privilege of having you data shared with advertisers. Thanks but not thanks. Either way I'll go the free route.


There is a big difference between Apple and Google. Google's entire business hinges on advertising and their primary goal is to increase that through different vectors (Android being one). Apple makes their money from selling devices and software, and it is in their best interest to protect the experience of their users.

It's just a question of motivations. The whole point of android is to increase advertising revenues for Google. Given equal scenarios, I'd much rather trust my data to Apple (or Microsoft for that matter, although they are also expanding into advertising)

Edited 2011-12-08 16:04 UTC

Reply Score: 2

Fanboys, as usual, shoot before seeing
by mantrik00 on Thu 8th Dec 2011 13:25 UTC
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2011-07-06

MG Seigler is an irrational Apple fanboy who makes a living by nitpicking on Google, scavenging the web and by sensationalism. The others who have jumped the gun must be fan boys too. They have all made the usual mistake of shooting before seeing.

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And in other news
by orfanum on Thu 8th Dec 2011 14:12 UTC
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2006-06-02

Ecocide continues unabated...who really in the scheme of things gives a stuff what Schmidt said?

Yes - and I will pre-empt the advice many of you will mentally entertain if not actually give - I don't have to read it but on the other hand, if you were all thinking human beings, you wouldn't be perusing this article either but doing something else more essential to your own and the world's welfare instead.

Peace out.

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RE: And in other news
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 8th Dec 2011 15:15 UTC in reply to "And in other news"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I agree we need to step back from the brink occasionally, this is really a whole lot of hot air in a cold bag from Boise.

There are many valuable causes that deserve our attention more, I would leave it up to each to find one that suits their beliefs. I also understand that this can actually just be a past time for some, and as that its okay too. We can only save the world for so long before we have to save ourselves from the weight of trying to save the world.

Reply Score: 2

poor cnet
by weebnuts on Thu 8th Dec 2011 15:37 UTC
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They were good 10 years ago, but have been trending downhill for years. Their writers are terrible with little substance or understanding of what they are actually writing about.

Reply Score: 1

mistakes
by fran on Thu 8th Dec 2011 17:03 UTC
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I'll be very suprised if they do say they made a mistake.
Rebuttal on sensationalist articles is scarce as it is.
In my view it's not a sign of weakness for thought leader, opinion writers or factual journalist to acknowledge they are wrong.
For me it makes them more endearing and easier to relate to.

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...
by Hiev on Thu 8th Dec 2011 17:05 UTC
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Fan boys that take words and change them out of context.

Fan boys that apologise leaders of big corporations who gives them no benefit.

Social studies are true, even if you do not believe in God, you will always have the need to kneel to something or someone, the Internet is not the exception to the rule.

Reply Score: 1

Where did they bash Google?
by rhavyn on Thu 8th Dec 2011 17:08 UTC
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You are accusing three people of complaining "Schmidt knows no developer likes Android." Yet you quote those three people a total of zero times. Would you care to actually stand by your post and update it with the quotes that indicate any of them said anything like this?

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RE: Where did they bash Google?
by TechGeek on Thu 8th Dec 2011 18:10 UTC in reply to "Where did they bash Google?"
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You are accusing three people of complaining "Schmidt knows no developer likes Android." Yet you quote those three people a total of zero times. Would you care to actually stand by your post and update it with the quotes that indicate any of them said anything like this?


ok. I'll bite.

Marco: "Is he implying that Android is widely disliked, and it doesn’t matter to him?"

Gruber: "I can’t see any way to read his remarks other than as an acknowledgement that Android is widely disliked by developers, and that he doesn’t mind this because he doesn’t think it matters."

Siegler: "It sounds arrogant and worse, as Gruber follows up with, it sure sounds like Google is missing the bigger picture: it’s not just Android these developers are overlooking, it’s Windows."

See, all three are parroting the point about developers not liking Android. Which, maybe they don't, but that isn't the point. The point is that the text quoted from Schmidt was wrong. Next time click on the links and read them for yourself.

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RE[2]: Where did they bash Google?
by rhavyn on Thu 8th Dec 2011 18:21 UTC in reply to "RE: Where did they bash Google?"
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2005-07-06

"You are accusing three people of complaining "Schmidt knows no developer likes Android." Yet you quote those three people a total of zero times. Would you care to actually stand by your post and update it with the quotes that indicate any of them said anything like this?


ok. I'll bite.

Marco: "Is he implying that Android is widely disliked, and it doesn’t matter to him?"
"

Which is not a quote that says, or even implies "Schmidt knows no developer likes Android."

Gruber: "I can’t see any way to read his remarks other than as an acknowledgement that Android is widely disliked by developers, and that he doesn’t mind this because he doesn’t think it matters."


Yes, Gruber does make a claim that is similar to what Thom said.

Siegler: "It sounds arrogant and worse, as Gruber follows up with, it sure sounds like Google is missing the bigger picture: it’s not just Android these developers are overlooking, it’s Windows."


Which says absolutely nothing about whether developers like or dislike Android and does not fit Thom's claim.

See, all three are parroting the point about developers not liking Android. Which, maybe they don't, but that isn't the point. The point is that the text quoted from Schmidt was wrong. Next time click on the links and read them for yourself.


I did read them myself, and what was said does not fit Thom's claim. Your quotes of them do not fit Thom's claim. Your description of Thom's claim isn't even accurate. Since Thom is all up in arms about misquotes, perhaps he should make a correction this post since he is, flat out, misquoting at least two individuals.

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Shkaba Member since:
2006-06-22

Get your head out of your a.. and stop rambling like a moron. The whole point of Thoms posting was about all three of them using a "quote", published by the third party, without first checking the original source!

SIGLER also quoted the same twisted phrase"


Whether you like Android or not, you will support that platform, and maybe you’ll even deliver it first.


Thom just pointed out that, in their blind hatred for everything non apple, all of these guys jumped the gun as soon as the quoted phrase hit the web... they are sad excuses for human beings

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

I don't think his post implied that only Apple have fanboys, although I believe they were one of the first companies in computer history that actively tried to turn otherwise smart people into these sub-human things.

Reply Score: 6

MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Steve (the Jobs one) wanted no one messing with his products, but his intention was for them to enrich people's lives by making stuff easier to use than other stuff.

It's a concept that he held true until his death I guess. Apple product are easy, simple to you with uncluttered interfaces. A lot of effort went in to this.

Real geeky power users probably won't like this, as it takes away a lot of possibilities to fiddle around with stuff, but the masses seem to like it.

I don't see how Apple sees its customers as subhumans, although some probably are.

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Uhm... I guess my post was really badly written. Here's take 2.

There are these partially subhuman things called fanboys, roaming the internet and mindlessly defending a company, which we both agree the OP was referring to. But I don't think that he implied that only Apple has some.

However, on an unrelated note, I believe that Apple were one of the first computing companies to use so-called "evangelism" marketing techniques, that actively attempt to spread religious faith in the user base, effectively creating fanboys.

Edited 2011-12-08 19:40 UTC

Reply Score: 5

thavith_osn Member since:
2005-07-11

Apple, Google and MS are not your friend, but they are not your enemy either. They are companies.

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Shkaba Member since:
2006-06-22


Clearly you are coming at this from an unbiased point of view.

Right, and then Thom attributed a quote to at least two people who didn't say what Thom claimed they said.


Never did I claim to be unbiased when it comes to apple. You totally missfired on this one

Either I can't read or you are a deliberate liar!! All three people have the missquoted phrase on their pages, with Marco adding an update where he stands corrected.


And Thom pointed this out by falsely attributing a statement to people. It's like hypocrisy doesn't even register with you people.


You know it isn't that hard to click on the links that are provided by Thom and see the missquoted phrases for yourself ... you know just move the mouse to the appropriate location and click on the link ... when you are done with that talk about hypocrisy again


Oh, and by the way, I nominate you as the sole individual who should be used to represent the human species due to your clear superiority over those foolish Apple product using sub-humans.


Thank you from the bottom of my heart for this nomination. I will strive to provide enlightment to all iZombies and free them from iClaws.

Reply Score: 3

rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

"
Clearly you are coming at this from an unbiased point of view.

Right, and then Thom attributed a quote to at least two people who didn't say what Thom claimed they said.


Never did I claim to be unbiased when it comes to apple. You totally missfired on this one

Either I can't read or you are a deliberate liar!! All three people have the missquoted phrase on their pages, with Marco adding an update where he stands corrected.
"

Thom claims all three said "Schmidt knows no developer likes Android." Find a quote of Marco or MG saying that.

"
And Thom pointed this out by falsely attributing a statement to people. It's like hypocrisy doesn't even register with you people.


You know it isn't that hard to click on the links that are provided by Thom and see the missquoted phrases for yourself ... you know just move the mouse to the appropriate location and click on the link ... when you are done with that talk about hypocrisy again
"

Which is irrelevant to what I was saying. Thom claims all three said "Schmidt knows no developer likes Android." Find a quote of Marco or MG saying that. You can't, because they didn't. So Thom is accusing people of commenting on a misquote (they didn't make up the misquote, they commented on it) and in his accusation is claiming they said something they clearly didn't. THOM IS LYING ABOUT WHAT MARCO AND MG SAID. Is that clear enough for you?

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Shkaba Member since:
2006-06-22


Thom claims all three said "Schmidt knows no developer likes Android." Find a quote of Marco or MG saying that.


Please provide the quote from Thom's write up for this statement or admit that you still need to attend elementaru school and learn how to read

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

"Marco: "Is he implying that Android is widely disliked, and it doesn’t matter to him?"


Which is not a quote that says, or even implies "Schmidt knows no developer likes Android."
"

This is a common rhetorical technique. The fact you fall for it is interesting.

"Siegler: "It sounds arrogant and worse, as Gruber follows up with, it sure sounds like Google is missing the bigger picture: it’s not just Android these developers are overlooking, it’s Windows."


Which says absolutely nothing about whether developers like or dislike Android and does not fit Thom's claim.
"

Wrong part of Siegler's article. Here is where he says what I was referring to:

John Gruber hits on the first key point that Google doesn’t seem to comprehend:

"I think maybe the biggest reason iOS has such strong developer support is that developers like iOS. They use and prefer iPhones and iPads personally, they like Cocoa, and they like the App Store."

For 99% of developers I’ve ever spoken to, this is the case. And that makes the following quote by Schmidt all the more interesting:


So, 3/3. Nice try.

Reply Score: 4

rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

"[q]Marco: "Is he implying that Android is widely disliked, and it doesn’t matter to him?"


Which is not a quote that says, or even implies "Schmidt knows no developer likes Android."
"

This is a common rhetorical technique. The fact you fall for it is interesting. [/q]

It's a common rhetorical technique that doesn't say what you are claiming. Marco is asking if Schmidt cares if developers like Android, he is not implying that Schmidt knows no developers like Android. There is vast difference between caring about developers feelings and musing about their actual feelings. You were talking about the latter, not the former.

"[q]Siegler: "It sounds arrogant and worse, as Gruber follows up with, it sure sounds like Google is missing the bigger picture: it’s not just Android these developers are overlooking, it’s Windows."


Which says absolutely nothing about whether developers like or dislike Android and does not fit Thom's claim.
"

Wrong part of Siegler's article. Here is where he says what I was referring to:

John Gruber hits on the first key point that Google doesn’t seem to comprehend:

"I think maybe the biggest reason iOS has such strong developer support is that developers like iOS. They use and prefer iPhones and iPads personally, they like Cocoa, and they like the App Store."

For 99% of developers I’ve ever spoken to, this is the case. And that makes the following quote by Schmidt all the more interesting:


So, 3/3. Nice try. [/q]

Except MG said that his experience is that developers don't like developing for Android, he isn't attributing that sentiment to Eric Schmidt. Because, if we don't stop there (notice the dangling colon) the point MG is making is "If all developers cared about was scale, they’d go with Windows. But they don’t. And Google would be wise to at least try to understand why this is the case." In other words, for MG the interesting thing about Schmidt statement is it ignores developer preference and simply talks about scale. Since 99% of the developers MG talked to said they like iOS better, and if scale is the only thing which is going to bring developers in the Android phone, they why don't they develop for Windows (or Symbian for that matter). Nothing about what MG is saying comes even close to what you are claiming.

So no, it isn't 3/3 unless you really think that reading deep meanings into words that plainly mean something different is a legitimate quoting technique. Seriously, it's almost insulting that you are trying to twist things to cover the fact that you are lying about what other people are saying to fit your narrative about what terrible people they are. It's disgusting and you should be ashamed.

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TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

Rhavyn- If you read the links, you would see that all three people clealy believe that developers like iOS and dislike Android. Further, the text Thom quoted what on all three of their sites. Its not text that the thrhee authors said, its text that they misquoted. Thom clearly expressed that in his article. Further, what these authors think is really irrelevant, compared to the fact that they used cnet as a source, which completely misquoted Schmidt.

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rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

Rhavyn- If you read the links, you would see that all three people clealy believe that developers like iOS and dislike Android. Further, the text Thom quoted what on all three of their sites. Its not text that the thrhee authors said, its text that they misquoted. Thom clearly expressed that in his article. Further, what these authors think is really irrelevant, compared to the fact that they used cnet as a source, which completely misquoted Schmidt.


You completely missed my point. Thom is claiming it's terrible that they commented on a missed quote. But in THIS VERY ARTICLE, Thom is completely making up the fact they Marco and MG said something. I didn't say anything about whether the three like iOS or dislike Android, because it's absolutely irrelevant to the point. Thom is flat out lying about what people are saying.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Thom is flat out lying about what people are saying.


Well, you're failing at convincing anyone here about that, so have you considered you're wrong?

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rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

"Thom is flat out lying about what people are saying.


Well, you're failing at convincing anyone here about that, so have you considered you're wrong?
"

No, there is absolutely no way that anyone who knows English can read Marco or MGs comments and come out with the message "Schmidt knows no developer likes Android." They didn't say that, period.

And, really, not one person who has "disagreed" with me, except you, has actually disputed my point. They are commenting on the "misquote" aspect of this, which is hysterical since you aren't just misquoting people, you are flat out making things up.

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Rhavyn are you blind ??
by Shkaba on Fri 9th Dec 2011 04:55 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Where did they bash Google?"
Shkaba Member since:
2006-06-22

Or just don't know how to read!! Either post the sentence where Thom claimed that any one of the three sources made a statement or apologize to everyone who wasted their time reading your hysterical ramblings. Here is a quote from Thom's write up:


So, Marco Arment, John Gruber, and MG Siegler (has anyone ever seen them in the same room?) all jumped on a quote from Eric Schmidt which (THE QUOTED STATEMENT-my remark) was supposedly very arrogant and proves Schmidt knows no developer likes Android.


To every sane person this sentence is very simple and easy to understand. Why can't you understand it?? Please quote Thom's article to prove your point or stop rambling incoherently.

Edited 2011-12-09 04:59 UTC

Reply Score: 3

fingolfin Member since:
2009-10-29

Have you considered that maybe a lot of people are put off from participating in the discussions here by the general atmosphere and the lopsided discussions? That's how I feel, by the way (which is why I usually never bother to comment here, it's pointless, unless you like experiencing pain).

Now, I do think it's bad that Gruber and the other guys fell for the misquotes (and I don't like nor read his blog). It's really crappy. And I'd wish they'd cut back some of their righteousness. Then again, I'd wish the same for OSnews...

By the way, the three guys did upside their blog posts by now, addressing the misquote. Maybe you want to update your post, too, mentioning that? After all, you are right to say "They are all influential bloggers or websites, and should know better by now." Then again, isn't OSNews an influential website, so shouldn't you have learned, too? Yet you point to a misquote of your own in the article from a few days ago, and proudly announce how you stand up to your mistakes, making it sound as if those guys didn't... Seems a bit unfair to me.

Anyway, I'll creep back to my hole now. For it feels *really* silly to keep riding up and down on this particular issue. At the end of the day, Gruber, OSNews etc. matter very little to the whole of the world. I am much more upset by the gross misquotes, misrepresentations and false explanations put forth by major news papers and TV news shows every day, which reach a much wider audience and have a much bigger influence on things :-(. Compared to those, the influence of Gruber, OSnews and the others seem rather insignificant. (Which, of course, is no excuse not to properly do research before on whether quotes and other facts are correct!)

Reply Score: 1

samo goes to...
by kovacm on Thu 8th Dec 2011 19:03 UTC
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2010-12-16

samo goes to...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QzJa_OU0tI

pundits never bother to open eyes and minds... ;)

http://www.director.co.uk/ONLINE/2010/09_10_innovation_secrets_of_s...

so plz stop bitching !

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Google is not evil (yet)
by Brunis on Thu 8th Dec 2011 22:55 UTC
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2005-11-01

I love how google is so good, they have to make bad shit up to make them look bad!

Reply Score: 1

v I'm sorry to say but
by frderi on Fri 9th Dec 2011 08:49 UTC
Much ado about sweets
by aargh on Fri 9th Dec 2011 08:57 UTC
aargh
Member since:
2009-10-12

Whether you like ice-cream sandwich or not, I already developed an appetite for it. What should I say, I have a sweet tooth.

Reply Score: 1

reading and interpretation
by TechGeek on Fri 9th Dec 2011 14:39 UTC
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Rhavyn:

Maybe English isn't your native language, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Here is what I get out of the articles:

From Macro: "Is he implying that Android is widely disliked, and it doesn’t matter to him?"

Marco, by saying this, is implying that Schmidt thinks Android is widely disliked, but that devs will still support it.

Siegler, on his blog, quotes Gruber who notes that developers prefer iOS and iPads and iPhones. He then goes on to say "For 99% of developers I’ve ever spoken to, this is the case."

This is a much more direct comment that devs don't like developing for Android compared to iOS.

I am going to just leave it at that.

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Who & why
by Soulbender on Fri 9th Dec 2011 14:48 UTC
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Member since:
2005-08-18

I'm still trying to figure out
a) who the heck these guys are
b) why I, or anyone, should give a crap about what they say

Seriously, it's like "some random people on the Internet said some stuff that is incorrect". Wow, damn. Stop the presses.

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