Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 19th Feb 2012 11:29 UTC, submitted by Elv13
Mac OS X "As noticed by several users running the developer preview version of OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, Apple is no longer including its X11 application for running software through the X Window System interface. [...] The X Window System has an extensive open source history, with development on the Mac side being handled under the XQuartz project. Apple's X11 application has been based on this effort, although as with many open source projects bundled for use in commercial software, X11 has generally been somewhat behind the latest XQuartz releases. The current version of X11 is 2.6.3, while XQuartz is currently available in version 2.7.0." Makes perfect sense. I mean, you guys were using XQuartz already anyway, right?
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Yeah but no but not really an issue
by ameasures on Sun 19th Feb 2012 14:40 UTC
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My impression is that there are enough opinion formers out there who need Unix GUI access. Such that X11 in one form or another will be around.

The increased use of virtual machines has reduced the need considerably but it is still there.

The Leopard implementation feels like an alien on my desktop - perhaps the replacement will improvement.

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Comment by Lightman
by Lightman on Sun 19th Feb 2012 17:05 UTC
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That's a shame, because at the moment Gimp requires X11 for it's graphic layer.

Slowly slowly, the windows are shutting.

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RE: Comment by Lightman
by henderson101 on Sun 19th Feb 2012 20:41 UTC in reply to "Comment by Lightman"
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Seahorse doesn't and it is based on Gimp and does a lot of what Gimp does. Maybe not all, but the interface is much less alien.

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RE[2]: Comment by Lightman
by sgtarky on Mon 20th Feb 2012 14:19 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Lightman"
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I think you mean seashore :p btw thanks I am downloading it now

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v Slowly the UNIX part of OS X is eroding
by laffer1 on Sun 19th Feb 2012 17:42 UTC
Good to know
by ccraig13 on Sun 19th Feb 2012 18:07 UTC
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Actually I wasn't aware of XQuartz. I use X11 sparingly but I'm glad there's an alternative out there

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Calm down
by zizban on Sun 19th Feb 2012 18:21 UTC
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They'll still be X11 for OSX. Apple just won't bundle it anymore.

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RE: Calm down
by Lightman on Sun 19th Feb 2012 19:46 UTC in reply to "Calm down"
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But will it be available in the App Store? lol.

Remember only signed apps through the App Store in future versions of OSX.

Edited 2012-02-19 19:46 UTC

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RE[2]: Calm down
by henderson101 on Sun 19th Feb 2012 20:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Calm down"
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That's one interpretation of what Gatekeeper might do in a version of the future. Nothing is set in stone, so speculation at this point is just a big guess.

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by Bringbackanonposting on Mon 20th Feb 2012 03:01 UTC
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Yep well that's another reason why I won't even start using OSX. There's just no telling what they'll take away next. Apple and Sony...

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by redshift on Mon 20th Feb 2012 04:48 UTC in reply to "Comment Title"
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Yep well that's another reason why I won't even start using OSX. There's just no telling what they'll take away next. Apple and Sony...


They really aren not taking away anything. XQuartz is the same open source project that that apple based there X11 for OSX on. The only difference is that the XQuartz version is up to date instead of waiting for Apple to release it.

Apple is advocating that users use XQuartz. Sony on the other hand, made users choose between having a PS3 that can play games online or having linux on it.

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by Elv13 on Mon 20th Feb 2012 06:01 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment Title"
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And Apple actually pay for XQuartz development. In fact, Apple is responsible for Xorg release management as of late. This is a lot to say if they don't care. Yes, it may be a team of 1, but a team of one it is.

What they are taking away of CUPS is much more important. But well, for most of the stuff, it make sense. Using Avahi/Bonjour/Zeroconf instead of port 631 is probably a bit problematic for servers, but make sense for users.

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Jusdt a question
by fithisux on Mon 20th Feb 2012 09:16 UTC
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Does anybody know if XQuartz suports an IOKit mode like older XFRee86 releases or is it Quartz only?

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