Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 12th Mar 2012 22:21 UTC, submitted by deadwood
Amiga & AROS Sure, we have AmigaOS and MorphOS, but those cost money and require special hardware. For those of us more interested in running an Amiga-like operating system on regular, x86 hardware, there's AROS. Two AROS distributions, Icaros Desktop and AspireOS both saw new releases recently.
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no video support
by p-OS on Tue 13th Mar 2012 00:54 UTC
p-OS
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2006-01-19

Despite what the article says AROS port of Odyssey doen not support playing HTML5 video (yet).

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Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Tue 13th Mar 2012 06:20 UTC
MOS6510
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2011-05-12

But does it run Cannon Fodder?

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by paolone on Tue 13th Mar 2012 13:51 UTC in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
paolone Member since:
2007-09-24

But does it run Cannon Fodder?


Yes. It runs Cannon Fodder. Either with an ADF image of it, or with the original disk if you have a Catweasel MKIV PCI controller on your PC.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Tue 13th Mar 2012 13:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Well, what more do you need?

I have the original disks, but the game is also on an Amiga 1200 I bought with an internal CF drive full of games. Not sure how that work i.e. if that runs from an ADF image.

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Oh, how the world has changed
by avgalen on Tue 13th Mar 2012 07:11 UTC
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2010-09-23

I just can't over the fact that a recreation of an ancient OS will probably be able to display HTML5 (not even a finished standard) before it can print

....and that is even what people are now expecting

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RE: Oh, how the world has changed
by Neolander on Tue 13th Mar 2012 07:48 UTC in reply to "Oh, how the world has changed"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

See it this way : to display HTML5, you just need to port some of the dozens of open-source web browser rendering engines out there, put a simple frontend around it, and you're done. It won't be pretty, but it should do the job well enough to advertise "HTML5 compatibility". Prerequisites do not go much beyond having GUI ready.

To print, now, you need a lot more infrastructure work : not only GUI, but also a printer driver model, printer drivers themselves, code that allows application code to talk to printers, GUI that makes it easy to do, all that knowing that as with any infrastructure work, the silliest mistake will follow you across the OS versions to come due to the need to maintain driver and UX compatibility (whereas with a web browser, you can just ditch the old rendering and replace it with another one and users won't even notice).

The two tasks have a similar "wow, this OS is grown-up now" factor, but printing is an order of magnitude more complex to implement. It is as such logical that it comes second, unless it is a priority to developers.

Edited 2012-03-13 07:49 UTC

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RE: Oh, how the world has changed
by paolone on Tue 13th Mar 2012 13:52 UTC in reply to "Oh, how the world has changed"
paolone Member since:
2007-09-24

I just can't over the fact that a recreation of an ancient OS will probably be able to display HTML5 (not even a finished standard) before it can print

....and that is even what people are now expecting


It can print.

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avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

From the summary: Most importantly, there's the first parts of a printing system. Currently, printer.device only support PostScript printers, and only a few programs are ready to use it.

If you would like to summarize that by "It can print" then you have lost all sense of reality (although you are not technically wrong)

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paolone Member since:
2007-09-24

From the summary: Most importantly, there's the first parts of a printing system. Currently, printer.device only support PostScript printers, and only a few programs are ready to use it.

If you would like to summarize that by "It can print" then you have lost all sense of reality (although you are not technically wrong)


Yes, and it's specified almost everywhere (on the Icaros website I openly talk about initial printer support, ps printers support, ps file printing support, nothing more, nothing less: you just need to read). If I summarize with "it can print" I am technically right: it can print. Something, with just a couple of applications, with selected printers. Or to a ps file anyway. But it CAN print and it can do that in the real world, not in fantasyland. Proper extension of printing system is expected in the next months.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

paolone,

It wouldn't have hurt to qualify the statement. If someone said an OS supports video acceleration in general terms, but it turns out only to support one type of GPU, that might be a bit misleading even though I understand the logic both ways. But now that it is clarified everything is good in the world!

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paolone Member since:
2007-09-24

paolone,

It wouldn't have hurt to qualify the statement. If someone said an OS supports video acceleration in general terms, but it turns out only to support one type of GPU, that might be a bit misleading even though I understand the logic both ways. But now that it is clarified everything is good in the world!


Why are you asking this to me? I didn't write the news. =)

On the Icaros website, however, it should be clearly specified that hardware acceleration is good for most GeForce GPUs and Intel GMA ones. It's stated also on the ReadMe and on the manual... Well, anyway I am happy it's now been made clear.

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RE: Oh, how the world has changed
by neticspace on Tue 13th Mar 2012 13:56 UTC in reply to "Oh, how the world has changed"
neticspace Member since:
2009-06-09

I just can't over the fact that a recreation of an ancient OS will probably be able to display HTML5 (not even a finished standard) before it can print

....and that is even what people are now expecting


AmigaOS and its influences were never ancient. It kept on developing despite numerous hardships.

Kudos to AmigaOS and Icaros!

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RE[2]: Oh, how the world has changed
by zima on Mon 19th Mar 2012 19:44 UTC in reply to "RE: Oh, how the world has changed"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

"Ancient" basically just denotes time... AROS is, to be sure, by far the most sane of those (directly) AmigaOS-influenced efforts, but that influence is fairly ancient, as far as timeline of home computing goes.

And yeah, about that "kept on developing" ...still no memory protection (hence also, sort of, no proper multitasking, just the not-quite-one that depends on well-behaving apps, where any program can essentially take over).
A decade more till it comes? Two decades? Will by then all of ~Amiga application development be just porting OSS stuff from the ~PC?

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vmware video drivers
by tidux on Tue 13th Mar 2012 14:18 UTC
tidux
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2011-08-13

Does the VMWare video driver support sane resolutions yet? Last time I tried AROS, running it in qemu or kvm with -vga vmware resulted in it using 2560x1600 as the minimum resolution. This was somewhat problematic on a laptop.

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RE: vmware video drivers
by paolone on Tue 13th Mar 2012 15:10 UTC in reply to "vmware video drivers"
paolone Member since:
2007-09-24

Does the VMWare video driver support sane resolutions yet? Last time I tried AROS, running it in qemu or kvm with -vga vmware resulted in it using 2560x1600 as the minimum resolution. This was somewhat problematic on a laptop.


That's because you haven't properly configured video settings for your virtual machine. There's a option in VMware to specify max resolution of the screen: there you can put whatever resolution you need. For instance, I myself use 1366x768 this way, and VMware stopped opening AROS aT 2560x1600.

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by Brutal on Tue 13th Mar 2012 14:46 UTC
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2009-10-16

Yes, it runs Cannon fodder just as well as Windows does. (in emulataion) So i guess the answer you were really seeking is... No.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by paolone on Tue 13th Mar 2012 16:53 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
paolone Member since:
2007-09-24

Yes, it runs Cannon fodder just as well as Windows does. (in emulataion) So i guess the answer you were really seeking is... No.


I just gave a tricky answer to a silly question: since Cannon Fodder runs on completely different hardware than the target one used by Icaros, well, emulation is necessary. The difference, however, is that Icaros is completely auto-sufficient and doesn't need any original Amiga KickStart ROM, since the AROS replacement one does it by itself. And, well, to run Cannon Fodder you just need to click twice on its ADF file icon. The rest is self-explanatory (and reported on the Icaros Manual if further informations are needed).

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