Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th May 2012 10:08 UTC
Legal Since The Pirate Bay blockade (which is easily circumvented) has just been extended to all other ISPs in The Netherlands (logically, court orders fall outside net neutrality), here's a link to a landing page which automatically redirects Dutch visitors to a valid The Pirate Bay proxy, circumventing the blockade. The more resourceful among us can always alter their hosts file, add a redirect in their router software, change DNS servers (any pros and cons from people who actually do this?), and about a gazillion other things. The Dutch copyright lobby's next step? Blocking websites that detail how to circumvent the blockade. Hey Kuik, we're right here!
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Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Thu 10th May 2012 10:38 UTC
MOS6510
Member since:
2011-05-12

If there is one good reason to watch pirated movies it's BREIN, because they put these warnings you can't skip in front of dvd movies.

I honestly believe they are more of an anti-consumer organization/gang than a pro-publishers one.

They're probably the universe's answer to Robin Hood to restore balance.

Reply Score: 5

RE: Comment by MOS6510
by cyrilleberger on Fri 11th May 2012 06:41 UTC in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
cyrilleberger Member since:
2006-02-01

If you are a pirate, this is what you get: http://i.imgur.com/GxzeV.jpg

That is where using vlc to watch DVD is a good idea, to skip all that shit that prevent you to watch what you paid for.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Fri 11th May 2012 06:55 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I prefer original stuff, just to have to beautiful box and original dvd, but indeed all that "extra" stuff is a mayor turn off.

It was bad enough with VHS tapes, but at least those didn't (well, couldn't) prevent you from fast forwarding.

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Censorship is futile
by Morgan on Thu 10th May 2012 11:45 UTC
Morgan
Member since:
2005-06-29

The really funny thing (to me) is, all that effort to block websites that detail how to get around the blockade simply makes people want to circumvent it more! And on top of that, censoring websites that show basic networking steps is just a waste of time too.

Anyone who wants to go to TPB probably already has a modicum of networking ability, and it's a logical first step to attempt a proxy or DNS reroute. I was doing that on the high school library computers in 1993 with no formal training, I'm sure today's script kiddies are all over it.

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Not all ISP's
by righard on Thu 10th May 2012 13:49 UTC
righard
Member since:
2007-12-26

I did not read anything about the smaller ISP's. For example my ISP OnsBrabantNet (Edutel) is not on the list.

Edited 2012-05-10 13:49 UTC

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v Back to this again huh?
by jefro on Thu 10th May 2012 14:13 UTC
RE: Back to this again huh?
by Ford Prefect on Thu 10th May 2012 14:15 UTC in reply to "Back to this again huh?"
Ford Prefect Member since:
2006-01-16

It is not violation of a law to visit a website if there is no child porn on it.

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RE[2]: Back to this again huh?
by Ford Prefect on Thu 10th May 2012 15:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Back to this again huh?"
Ford Prefect Member since:
2006-01-16
RE[2]: Back to this again huh?
by Neolander on Thu 10th May 2012 17:39 UTC in reply to "RE: Back to this again huh?"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

You forgot to also mention terrorists, you crook ;)

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RE: Back to this again huh?
by reez on Thu 10th May 2012 14:38 UTC in reply to "Back to this again huh?"
reez Member since:
2006-06-28

By the way, net neutrality has nothing to do with this subject. Guess if you were more concerned about OS news and less about how to steal stuff, you'd know that.

Net neutrality means, that no matter what kind of data is delivered to what kind of receiver it is transmitted in the same way.

This is about both the integrity of the data and the equality when it comes to the transmission.

So if one country blocks access to a website there is no equality to any of these. For Dutch people there is an inequality when it comes to transmission of certain content. In fact there is no transmission at all (which is the exact opposite of how it should be) and since there is no data there can be no integrity.

So how isn't this related to net neutrality?

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RE: Back to this again huh?
by MOS6510 on Thu 10th May 2012 15:08 UTC in reply to "Back to this again huh?"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

In The Netherlands it isn't legal to download stuff, even if it's pirated. It is illegal though to offer pirated stuff. BREIN claims that people who download also offer it for upload, but that's not relevant to this case.

What is is that's it's legal for me to download, but I'm denied access to the Pirate Bay, although I can access any other torrent site. Not only am I denied pirated stuff, but also all the legal stuff that they offer. Well, they don't actually offer anything, just torrent files that point to stuff.

So it's a bit strange that in a country that has just waived the net neutrality flag that users are denied access to a site that doesn't offer illegal stuff for download, only pointers to it, while downloading is legal anyway.

Now what extra sucks for me as an IT professional that when I'm figuring out why something doesn't work I have to take in to account that my own government is "sabotaging" the Internet.

Reply Score: 3

RE[2]: Back to this again huh?
by Gusar on Thu 10th May 2012 15:11 UTC in reply to "RE: Back to this again huh?"
Gusar Member since:
2010-07-16

Well, they don't actually offer anything, just torrent files that point to stuff

Not even that anymore, they've switched to magnet links.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Back to this again huh?
by Neolander on Thu 10th May 2012 17:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Back to this again huh?"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

In The Netherlands it isn't legal to download stuff, even if it's pirated.

I was just thinking that at this rate, maybe our children will need history books to realize that this is a typo...

Edited 2012-05-10 17:44 UTC

Reply Score: 3

RE[3]: Back to this again huh?
by MOS6510 on Thu 10th May 2012 17:55 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Back to this again huh?"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Big Oops.

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DNS servers
by Sauron on Thu 10th May 2012 14:22 UTC
Sauron
Member since:
2005-08-02

Have been using google public DNS servers for the past year after my ISP decided to block some URLs, (WTF? Some not even close to been a torrent site).

Pro's
Can access all web sites again.

Con's
None noticed. (Although site response can be slowish on occasion).

How long before changing DNS servers is illegal though? Twats!

Reply Score: 3

RE: DNS servers
by bob_bipbip on Thu 10th May 2012 14:41 UTC in reply to "DNS servers"
bob_bipbip Member since:
2009-04-28

in france, using orange, using other dns than isp could result in a wrong dns response after a smtp.orange query.

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RE: DNS servers
by REM2000 on Thu 10th May 2012 15:11 UTC in reply to "DNS servers"
REM2000 Member since:
2006-07-25

the only thing that made me move back to my ISP's dns was that Alkami and other download sites wouldn't understand which country i was in and would set me to american, so downloads were really slow as they didn't push me to a local mirror. I also noticed that updates for Windows + Mac OSX would be a lot slower probably as they use Alkami as they're backbone for updates/downloads?

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RE: DNS servers
by Lennie on Thu 10th May 2012 21:28 UTC in reply to "DNS servers"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Doesn't work in this case, they drop packets to certain the IP-addresses of thepiratebay.se as well.

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Ha ha!
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 10th May 2012 14:41 UTC
Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

Still unblocked in the US, of all places. Somewhat ironically funny.

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Comment by marcp
by marcp on Thu 10th May 2012 19:05 UTC
marcp
Member since:
2007-11-23

Huge "WOW" ... this could not get more rediculous and contradictory!
Netherlands managed to get this net 'neutrality' bill the other day, and now it prevents one of the sites from being available in netherlands!

How-@#%$$%-crazy-is-that? apparently someone thinks we're all just a bunch of @Q#$@#%$ morons, idiots, fools, or crabs.

Reply Score: 3

Comment by NuxRo
by NuxRo on Sat 12th May 2012 12:55 UTC
NuxRo
Member since:
2010-09-25