Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 29th May 2012 21:32 UTC
Google Two interesting reviews of the new Chrome OS and new hardware. The general gist? While we're all busy focussing on Android, Chrome OS keeps getting better and better - even though it's not there quite yet. Nuance is in the final verdict - The Verge claims it's almost there: "Google is closer than ever to convincing the world that we can live online, that we can do away with the old hard drives and local apps and spend our lives on the web." ReadWriteWeb is already convinced: "The point is, Chrome OS is ready for the market." I have to admit that, for the first time, I feel somewhat compelled by Chrome OS.
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How convinced?
by tessmonsta on Tue 29th May 2012 22:11 UTC
tessmonsta
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2009-07-16

$350 convinced? $450 convinced?

I think I'm $250 convinced, but for the price couldn't we just get a nettop and use one of Hexxeh's builds?

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RE: How convinced?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 29th May 2012 22:38 UTC in reply to "How convinced?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Yeah, I'm convinced for $35 US.

Raspberry Pi with Chrome OS, that might not be bad. I wouldn't pay as much for a chromebook or box as I would for a machine that's capable of running Fedora. Raspberry Can run Fedora as well, but at the low price point It might be nice to just have a dumb terminal.

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RE[2]: How convinced?
by tessmonsta on Tue 29th May 2012 22:53 UTC in reply to "RE: How convinced?"
tessmonsta Member since:
2009-07-16

I think Fry explains my opinion on that idea well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQCP85FngzE

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RE[2]: How convinced?
by renox on Wed 30th May 2012 11:31 UTC in reply to "RE: How convinced?"
renox Member since:
2005-07-06

Yeah, I'm convinced for $35 US.

Raspberry Pi with Chrome OS, that might not be bad.


A not very powerful ARM CPU, plus only 256MB of RAM, plus a (slow) SD card (and you need to swap a lot because of the small RAM) for ChromeOS?

Ahem, your definition of "not bad" is interesting, I would say most probably slow as a snail myself..

Edited 2012-05-30 11:32 UTC

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RE[3]: How convinced?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 30th May 2012 13:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: How convinced?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Form my understanding, its a web browser operating system. If the cloud is doing the storing, management, and manipulation of my work, I would think the os wouldn't need that much power. If it does, then I'm out on the whole Chrome OS concept.

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RE[4]: How convinced?
by renox on Wed 30th May 2012 14:34 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: How convinced?"
renox Member since:
2005-07-06

Form my understanding, its a web browser operating system.
Yes and web browsers are not especially efficients..

If the cloud is doing the storing, management, and manipulation of my work,

If it is done this way then you're correct, it could work, but I find that modern webbrowser can be very resource intensive.

IMHO Google agree: they put 4GB of RAM in the Chromebook, so, I doubt that a Raspberry Pi with 256MB would be very useful: I know a website which use 300MB of RAM(!) (probably a bug in the website as it's just a blog).

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RE[5]: How convinced?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 30th May 2012 16:41 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: How convinced?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I think I need to write a plugin for all of the browsers I use to block 300 mb websites. I remember being ticked off that I wrote code that generated a 1 mb file. Its painful moving from embedded work to web :/

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RE[6]: How convinced?
by zima on Mon 4th Jun 2012 01:13 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: How convinced?"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

In the times of 70s/80s micros, 1 MiB file would irk many.

Just progress, I guess...

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RE[5]: How convinced?
by zima on Mon 4th Jun 2012 01:10 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: How convinced?"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes and web browsers are not especially efficients..

I'm not sure that's fair... not inefficient, just forced to do things in a particular way (from the way WWW developed over the past 2 decades) - within those constraints, efficiency does matter (witness improvement in js over the past few years)

I know a website which use 300MB of RAM(!) (probably a bug in the website as it's just a blog).

I'd guess one of horrible blog comments systems (like Disqus) is the probable perpetrator... or maybe erring usage of translucency & heavy image backgrounds, this also tends to have heavy resource impact, it seems.

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RE[4]: How convinced?
by zima on Mon 4th Jun 2012 01:01 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: How convinced?"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Form my understanding, its a web browser operating system. If the cloud is doing the storing, management, and manipulation of my work, I would think the os wouldn't need that much power. If it does, then I'm out on the whole Chrome OS concept.

Well since Chrome OS is about the browser ...it doesn't really need any less resources than Chrome (which, like any modern browser, isn't strictly only about "the cloud is doing the storing, management, and manipulation" - a lot happens locally in js, then there are such heavyweight modern improvements(?) as WebGL)

And try running Chrome (or Chromium OS) on a Pentium II 300 MHz ( http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs "Overall real world performance is something like a 300MHz Pentium 2") with 256 MiB of RAM...

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RE: How convinced?
by kragil on Tue 29th May 2012 22:44 UTC in reply to "How convinced?"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

Give me a smaller SSD, a thiner body and a ARM SOC and take $250 less from me and I am convinced.

Google really needs to get the ARM port rolling.

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RE[2]: How convinced?
by tessmonsta on Tue 29th May 2012 22:55 UTC in reply to "RE: How convinced?"
tessmonsta Member since:
2009-07-16

Generally, yes. They may switch to ARM SoCs after they smooth out the bugs in the Android port.

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RE[3]: How convinced?
by kragil on Wed 30th May 2012 10:54 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: How convinced?"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

Well, ChromeOS is way more than just Chrome. The Android port will help, but ARM has so much more potential so they should take this way more serious.

I always thought when A15 ARM chips are available Google would release ChromeOS to an wider audience.

Why the hell aren't there some really cheap Chinese OEMs who crank out $200 Chromebooks? Eric always said these things are supposed to be really cheap.

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RE: How convinced?
by pgeorgi on Wed 30th May 2012 07:04 UTC in reply to "How convinced?"
pgeorgi Member since:
2010-02-18

$350 convinced? $450 convinced?

I think I'm $250 convinced, but for the price couldn't we just get a nettop and use one of Hexxeh's builds?

Google seems to target larger institutions with that hardware, at least that's what I understand from their offers (subscription option, support contract).

Institutional customers will prefer the unified hardware (ie. tested platform, simple to replace), automatic updates with quality controls on exactly that hardware, recovery mechanisms from boot (it's really hard to kill the software side of these devices) over setting up things themselves, even at a $150 premium. The selling point is "barely any (or 'no') administration required" (the cloud promise, in hardware).

Custom ChromiumOS builds won't provide this.

I think Google targets these customers because it's easier to work with them to get feedback (there's generally more patience in an institution than in a private customer), easier to provide support for (there is _some_ support infrastructure on the customer end), and a more clearly defined scope (institutions can define a-priori what use cases they have, so they'll know if a ChromeBox is a good match).

Once Google gained confidence with this part of the market I'd expect them to push into the personal computing market (and adapt volume and pricing accordingly).

tl;dr: These systems aren't for endusers yet, so they don't need enduser pricing at this time.

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RE[2]: How convinced?
by Radio on Wed 30th May 2012 09:28 UTC in reply to "RE: How convinced?"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

Yeah, but did they have success selling this to any institution yet?

Do they even use them internally at Google? I mean, on a wide scale, not just the ChromeOS team eating its own dog food?

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RE[2]: How convinced?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 30th May 2012 13:40 UTC in reply to "RE: How convinced?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I don't think that Google Docs is at the point where it could replace MS Office for most workers/students at large institutions. If they get it to the point where its as good as libreoffice, then they have a chance to take market share from the traditional Linux Desktop at large corporations.

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Um, no wonder nobody is buying this...
by tomcat on Tue 29th May 2012 23:43 UTC
tomcat
Member since:
2006-01-06

Just not compelling enough compared to standard laptops.

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War on General Purpose Computing
by braddock on Wed 30th May 2012 00:12 UTC
braddock
Member since:
2005-07-08

Chrome OS is not on the right side of the "war on general purpose computing".

This is a platform in which if you do manage to install dual-boot linux or do other customization, Netflix stops working under Chrome OS because you had to turn off the OS image signing check in the bootloader.

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RE: War on General Purpose Computing
by tidux on Wed 30th May 2012 00:31 UTC in reply to "War on General Purpose Computing"
tidux Member since:
2011-08-13

That's so stupid. Any business model that relies on simultaneously withholding and selling information is eventually going to get devoured by the internet.

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Comment by Luminair
by Luminair on Wed 30th May 2012 00:57 UTC
Luminair
Member since:
2007-03-30

I still dont get it. Buy a Windows laptop and install a Linux distro with Chrome. Right??

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RE: Comment by Luminair
by moondevil on Wed 30th May 2012 05:05 UTC in reply to "Comment by Luminair"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

I also don't.

In no way I am going to give money for a computer that works only with Internet, and where I am limited in my choice of applications to use.

I work mainly offline, with old good native applications, that only use Internet if I want them to.

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RE[2]: Comment by Luminair
by modmans2ndcoming on Wed 30th May 2012 23:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Luminair"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

I am excited for this... It means my mother-in-law can have a computer that does only what she needs it to do....mainly gmail and facebook.

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RE: Comment by Luminair
by a2d23 on Wed 30th May 2012 06:01 UTC in reply to "Comment by Luminair"
a2d23 Member since:
2012-05-22

Considering MS departure from the desktop theme what would you prefer? These is a slick device competing with the Macbook style but costs a fraction of its price.

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RE[2]: Comment by Luminair
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 30th May 2012 13:42 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Luminair"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Oh yes, that is exactly how I choose my devices, based on their style.

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RE[3]: Comment by Luminair
by zima on Mon 4th Jun 2012 01:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Luminair"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Thank you for sharing this with us... ;p

But many enough do choose like that.

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