Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 1st Jun 2012 22:53 UTC
Privacy, Security, Encryption "Mr. Obama decided to accelerate the attacks - begun in the Bush administration and code-named Olympic Games - even after an element of the program accidentally became public in the summer of 2010 because of a programming error that allowed it to escape Iran's Natanz plant and sent it around the world on the Internet. Computer security experts who began studying the worm, which had been developed by the United States and Israel, gave it a name: Stuxnet." And we're letting these people have unmanned drones. Seems legit.
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Security
by dmrio on Fri 1st Jun 2012 23:25 UTC
dmrio
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2005-08-26

Thank you for reminding me of running Microsoft Security Essentials on my machine. I feel safer now.

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RE: Security
by OSNevvs on Mon 4th Jun 2012 12:13 UTC in reply to "Security"
OSNevvs Member since:
2009-08-20

If Israel/the US create a virus, it's for our safety and it's right. If it's Russia/Iran/Venezuela, it's terrorism and it's wrong. Go figure...Depends on what side of the fence you are...

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Project 2501
by KrustyVader on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 01:55 UTC
KrustyVader
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2006-10-28

Are you sure the "Stuxnet" is the right name?

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RE: Project 2501
by Ultimatebadass on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 07:54 UTC in reply to "Project 2501"
Ultimatebadass Member since:
2006-01-08

Upvote for a very fitting GITS reference ;)

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Who's We Thom?
by Lumbergh on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 02:09 UTC
Lumbergh
Member since:
2005-06-29

Thomas, since you don't like "those people" having drones, why don't you do something about it.

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RE: Who's We Thom?
by Neolander on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 13:27 UTC in reply to "Who's We Thom?"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Not Thomas, just Thom, IIRC.

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Comment by pashar
by pashar on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 06:09 UTC
pashar
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2006-07-12

I don't understand. Iran is consistently threatning Israel, calling for its eradication and at the same time financing and supplying weapons to many anti-Israely groups, like Hisballa, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and others. And yet, Israel and USA, while defending from clear threat are the bad guys. What a twisted logic.

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RE: Comment by pashar
by otrov on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 10:06 UTC in reply to "Comment by pashar"
otrov Member since:
2012-06-02

Oh Cinderella, don't play so naive. Do you want to free Iranian people too, with your democrazy? But Syrians first, right?

Anything your "democratic" (read: evil, money hungry, oil thirsty, homophobic, hypocrite, coward...) regimes touch, turns sterile - look Balkans, North Africa, Iraq, Afghanistan... those are now regions where time is reversed decades in past, made miserable by the power of your greed and ignorance

You ruin any ideal and noble thought man can have about human race. I disguise

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RE[2]: Comment by pashar
by judgen on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 11:11 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by pashar"
judgen Member since:
2006-07-12

Wow, he might be missinformed.. but you SURE are too!
First of all, i agree that the diaspora of persian (note that i did not use the term iranian) is quite extensive, and if they all went home with a gun each, they could possibly topple the regime rather easily. That is not what the west wants though it seems. Syria is an extreme case where you do not seem to grasp that a large body of people actually LIKE Assad's regime. It is truly a civil war and although i would prefer a free and prosperous Syria, it is more likely to go down like in Libya or Egypt if that struggle is interfered with.
Next point is the balkans.. How dare you sir. The Balkans is not backwards compared to the US in several ways. (you have to define "reversed decades" to get to the point) It is in several countries freer on the personal level than the united states. Ok there is open corruption in many (not all) Balkan countries but that is rather a remnant and legacy of the previous communist regimes than from the implementation of more open markets. In the cases of Afghanistan and Iraq... they were pretty miserable beneath the thumb of the earlier regimes as well. Might not be a justification, and i do not agree with those wars for your information. But also mr/mrs pashar is only telling half of the story. Of course Hezbollah and others want to remove Israel, the muslims has been wanting it back since it was conquered. I do not support either side in this endless bloodshed, but seeing one side as evil and the other as good makes this whole argument rather silly.

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RE[3]: Comment by pashar
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 11:46 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by pashar"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I do not support either side in this endless bloodshed, but seeing one side as evil and the other as good makes this whole argument rather silly.


Bingo.

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RE[4]: Comment by pashar
by dsmogor on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 13:14 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by pashar"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

yea. except that this is exactly the stance that big media and opinion shapers create and expect from the masses: equate both sides, conclude they are worth themselves and treat it as an easy excuse for loosing interest in what happens around you.

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RE[5]: Comment by pashar
by zima on Wed 6th Jun 2012 02:04 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by pashar"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

So, you're saying that the big media wants their audience to loose interest in... major and "reliable" source of news? (hence also source of ad or subscriptions revenue)

Edited 2012-06-06 02:04 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by pashar
by pashar on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 15:00 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by pashar"
pashar Member since:
2006-07-12

Another good example of hypocrisy. By denying one side's right to defend itself, you definitely support other side.

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RE[5]: Comment by pashar
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 16:06 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by pashar"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Another good example of hypocrisy. By denying one side's right to defend itself, you definitely support other side.


I'm going to walk straight up to your house, backed by the biggest military in the world, and claim that, based on an old book thousands od years old, your house and land are supposed to belong to me. Then I'm going to remove you from your own premises, and force you to live a life with less rights than people of my own blood.

Let's see how you react then.

Both sides in this conflict are wrong, because none of them are right. If it were up to me, we'd stop all financial, military, and material aid to the entirety of the region, cut all diplomatic ties, and let them sort out their own mess. Not a single dime of my tax money should go to those shitholes. I want Dutch money to go to people who deserve it - not to governments who only car about war, death, and destruction, no matter what imaginary father figure they claim is on their side. Israel, Iran, whatever - they're all the same to me.

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v RE[6]: Comment by pashar
by pashar on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 19:17 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by pashar"
RE[7]: Comment by pashar
by allanregistos on Mon 4th Jun 2012 05:57 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by pashar"
allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

Pashar, what HISTORY books are backing up your arguments?
Wikipedia or Arab books?

I can't see it, please provide links.

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RE[6]: Comment by pashar
by dylansmrjones on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 20:12 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by pashar"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Talk about history falsification. Back to school, Thom.

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RE[6]: Comment by pashar
by sbenitezb on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 01:47 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by pashar"
sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

Not to defend or support any side, but what did the americans (english people in a sort of way) do with natives? They conquered, took their lands, raped their women and here they are. The Spanish did the same, and so did others like greeks and persians. What has ever changed?

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RE[6]: Comment by pashar
by allanregistos on Mon 4th Jun 2012 05:55 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by pashar"
allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

Hi,

It is very frustrating to read comments as though both sides are at fault, there must be at least one side to contributed more faults than other or else the other side will not hire a big army to defend her people.

Case point of Israel.

Modern Israel was created in 1948. Instant war followed, 100% of Arab nations attack Israel, by using a SIMPLE A VERY SIMPLE LOGIC here, what can you expect from ISRAEL? Give up and go back to Germany and Russia?
DO NOT complicate Israel's case, the U.S. has nothing to do with this, except that it was helping Israel for their own interests(out of compassion is another thing), and Israel allowing outside help to protect their citizens and rights.

This is soooooo common sense.

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RE[7]: Comment by pashar
by kwan_e on Mon 4th Jun 2012 07:04 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by pashar"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

Case point of Israel.

Modern Israel was created in 1948. Instant war followed, 100% of Arab nations attack Israel, by using a SIMPLE A VERY SIMPLE LOGIC here, what can you expect from ISRAEL? Give up and go back to Germany and Russia?


But what gives anyone a right to have their own country and have it unilaterally imposed on someone else's land? It's funny how you focus on how the Arab nations quickly attacked Israel, but turn a blind eye on how Israel was formed on Arab land in the first place.

What did you expect from Arab nations when they were told they were to lose part of their land just like that?

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RE[7]: Comment by pashar
by ASmith on Tue 5th Jun 2012 06:34 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by pashar"
ASmith Member since:
2012-02-10

Yes Apartheid Israel was created by the United Nations in 1948 however since that time, Apartheid Israel has illegally stolen some 95% of the remaining Palestinian lands. The mere 5% which remains is carved up into ethnic cleansing zones like a small hedge on a racist plantation. It is illegal to steal a people or nations lands and resources (Israel has allegedly stolen Lands, Water, Natural Gas and Oil fields under the guise of Apartheid laws, War or Defense) and keep them per long standing International laws and treatys.

Recently Apartheid Israeli courts have ruled to strip all non Jews of their Israeli Citizenship, that is the 20% Christian,Muslim and Atheist Israeli Citizens.

It is depraved to force American taxpayers to pay Apartheid Israel many Billions in cash plus 3+ Billion in free weapons each year with such racism and bigotry shaping their political government which is far from American values, liberty's and freedoms.

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RE[3]: Comment by pashar
by otrov on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 20:55 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by pashar"
otrov Member since:
2012-06-02

Sorry I shouldn't have commented at all, I was just in a bad mood after watching a debut movie directed by UN Ambassador Angelina Jolie.

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RE[4]: Comment by pashar
by zima on Wed 6th Jun 2012 02:06 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by pashar"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

movie directed by UN Ambassador Angelina Jolie

I can see that as becoming the root of all evil, eventually...

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RE[2]: Comment by pashar
by pashar on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 14:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by pashar"
pashar Member since:
2006-07-12

Hmmm... I don't remember I wrote about freeing Iranian or any other people. But you may assume whatever you find comfortable.

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v RE[2]: Comment by pashar
by allanregistos on Mon 4th Jun 2012 05:42 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by pashar"
RE[3]: Comment by pashar
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 4th Jun 2012 14:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by pashar"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

ran was always threatening Israel to WIPE IT OUT FROM THE WORLD MAP


*cough*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#Transla...

See how easily you can be fooled by a media war.

The guy is still a dick, but that threat is simply made up and not true. I prefer facts, please.

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RE: Comment by pashar
by kwan_e on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 19:25 UTC in reply to "Comment by pashar"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

I don't understand. Iran is consistently threatning Israel, calling for its eradication and at the same time financing and supplying weapons to many anti-Israely groups, like Hisballa, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and others.


I don't think that gives anyone a right to shoot children in the head...

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What?
by JeeperMate on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 10:04 UTC
JeeperMate
Member since:
2010-06-12

This is silly. It's like saying "we are watching all of you and we constantly try to trip some of you behind your back, so you all better put your guards up at all times." What's the purpose, to make something difficult more difficult?

Sometimes it's good to lie, or simply remain silent, for the greater good.

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Comment by ballmerlikesgoogle
by ballmerlikesgoogle on Sat 2nd Jun 2012 16:58 UTC
ballmerlikesgoogle
Member since:
2009-10-23

I think the real issue now is, governments are now using cyberweapons against each other. Its the new way to take out your foe without having to go to actual war to do so.

If I can cripple your nation's technology, how will your nation stand?

As much as I hate to say it, its not a simple case of ending diplomatic and economic relations with the Middle East. One would also have to deny the Internet altogether to these nations practising these tactics and shut them out from doing anything altogether.

The truth is, every nation now is likely having to consider a cyber-defense, as well as creating cyberweapons of their own. If there not doing it already....

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who are "we"
by jurra on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 02:54 UTC
jurra
Member since:
2007-01-21

and what do you mean by "letting"? for instance, The Netherlands isn't exactly in a position to "let" or not to "let" anything to anyone, it doesn't posses the adequate power to do so. It's like "and we're letting them to have ICBM's with nuclear warheads"

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ASmith
Member since:
2012-02-10

Now that USA President Obama and his staff appeared to have publicly admitted to creating with Israel the Stuxnet, Duzu and now the Flame Virus to target Iran and unleashing that globally on humanity's computer systems, it looks like there is ample evidence and statements to proceed in a Massive Global Class-Action Lawsuit against USA and Israel for global damages and enormous punitive fines.

The Stuxnet Virus specifically targeted the Siemens Electronic Control modules which heavy industry GLOBALLY widely use by the thousands. Siemen's a German based corporation but is global in it's offices and support. Siemen's took a big financial hit as details on what Stuxnet did filtered out, it's stockholders should be foremost in sueing the hell out of USA and Israel for damages.

Business's and individual PC users whose servers and computers were infected, files corrupted, data lost should also join in a global class action suit as above seeking enormous damages from the world courts and hitting Israel with such a huge fine and penalty that Israel would never do that again to the global computer industry.

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kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

I think they should just get used to viruses when Siemens is involved.

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ASmith Member since:
2012-02-10

I think they should just get used to viruses when Siemens is involved.


Thank you kwan_e for your reply however I am uncertain what your reply is. Siemens is a highly respected commercial electrical industry based corporation based in Germany with offices in many nations globally. Unless you include the tiny Polynesian spec of an island nations whose main industry is tourism and light fishing, you'd find Siemens products and electric control modules which the USA/Israeli Stuxnet Virus/Worm targets.

To defeat the Stuxnet Virus/Worm invading the Siemens electronic control modules all the IT staff had to do was 'Change the Default Password on those Siemens Electronic Control Modules'.

With the USA/Israeli created and distributed Flame Virus however one of the 20 virus modules it contains attempts to steal passwords and keystrokes. Another of the modules is a remote control backdoor allowing for a neferious remote user to highjack that computer or server.

The Siemens Corporation I have no doubt was financially hurt by the effects of the USA/Israeli State Created and Distributed Virus/Worm. Their shareholders were likely also hurt. I seriously doubt Siemens kwan_e did any kind of 'victory dance' over losing hundreds of millions of euros in revenue and customers.

Under a contract between then Shah of Iran and Germany, USA and Siemens had agreed to build multiple Nuclear Reactors for electrical power generation inside Iran. While Germany partially built the now Russian finished electrical reactor in Iran the Iranian revolution which ousted the horrific Shah of Iran, Siemens then pulled out of completing it many years ago.

As I have encouraged, there now appears to be building support for a global lawsuit against USA and Israel for both of those State nations creating and distributing the Stuxnet, Duqu and Flame Virus's. The damages also including punitive claims would likely exceed 100 Billion because punitive damages must be large enough to 'punish' the entity's involved and large enough to entirely discourage them from repeating the same crime.

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kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

"I think they should just get used to viruses when Siemens is involved.


Thank you kwan_e for your reply however I am uncertain what your reply is.
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It was a lame pun about safe hex.

a decimal.

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