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And now it's time to release the freaking Windows 8 desktop with a freaking Start Button. Or we will write our own Start Buttons, so there will be a madness, we will have hundreds of different Start Buttons and Start Menus.

And now it's time to release the freaking Windows 8 desktop with a freaking Start Button. Or we will write our own Start Buttons, so there will be a madness, we will have hundreds of different Start Buttons and Start Menus. "

Oh, for chrissakes, stop your whining. There's a free replacement for the Start menu.

http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

Wow, uhm, if you think this is the *beginning* of an abusive relationship you must have been in a Microsoft induced coma for a while.

You think MS is abusive?

you should know IBM and Oracle.

Edited 2012-06-08 19:48 UTC

We managed to escape both Oracle and IBM. That was easy. Try escaping MS or Cisco.

"We" haven't escaped IBM at all. Cities are being made to use IBM.

Really?

Most enterprise projects make use of Oracle systems.

Many young geeks seem to think that IBM is a all Linux love, when in fact back in the 70's and early 80's it was as bad or worse than Microsoft.

On the time-sharing days, most languages were somehow even more tied to the OS than nowadays. IBM had a big responsibility on these state of affairs.

It is all about the money. There is no good or evil in big corporations.

IBM about linux love? I never made that association.

If it's all about the money in big companies, doesn't that make them evil?

Many people do, because IBM does contribute a lot to kernel development.

But like any company, they do it, because they want Linux to run properly on the servers they sell, that is all.



Depends on one thinks about getting money. Anyway, when a company shows some geek love, by releasing open source stuff, that does not make them automatic good.

I didn't say it was the beginning. I'm saying, if you find those lists that are supposed to help women recognize when they're in an abusive relationship, this action of Microsoft's would surely be in that list as one of the early indicators.

They try to assert themselves, then are beaten into submission. If it's a sign of an abusive relationship, it looks like the abuse may be going in the other direction.

Except this is clearly not a case of them trying to assert themselves. It bears all the hallmarks of someone taking something crucial away to test the other party in the relationship. They're exercising their power and will try again.

Except this is clearly not a case of them trying to assert themselves. It bears all the hallmarks of someone taking something crucial away to test the other party in the relationship. They're exercising their power and will try again. "

The desktop is a shrinking market. That's why MS is pulling back on support for it. Seriously, if you were faced with a shrinking market, you would do the same.

The desktop market seems to be shrinking because the market itself has expanded and diversified.

The desktop market seems to be shrinking because the market itself has expanded and diversified. "

I'm not sure how that distinction matters. The desktop is therefore shrinking... hence...

The desktop market seems to be shrinking because the market itself has expanded and diversified. "

I'm not sure how that distinction matters. The desktop is therefore shrinking... hence... [/q]

It's not shrinking in the way that a company like Microsoft has to "get out of it".

The desktop market seems to be shrinking because the market itself has expanded and diversified. "

I'm not sure how that distinction matters. The desktop is therefore shrinking... hence... [/q]

It's not shrinking in the way that a company like Microsoft has to "get out of it". [/q]

I'm glad you aren't running their business -- because you'd run it into the ground.

"Microsoft Relents On Metro-Only Visual Studio Express"
http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/06/08/1948211/microsoft-rel...

That's a lot better than "caves". There's something strange going on when slashdot is more reasonable regarding a Microsoft story than OSNews is. :p

Uh, you're reading way too much into this. "Cave" is the term you use when you... Succumb, cave to pressure. Microsoft ITSELF mentions the pressure from consumers... So caves is perfectly legit.

Don't overanalyze.

wow, microsoft pretending to listen to its customers. Someone must have treatened them somehow or perhaps they realized they might be driving a generation of progammers into a more android friendly toolchain.

Edited 2012-06-09 12:57 UTC

Nice rant, except for the part about power users. We, my friend, are a dying breed. If you can appease the millions and millions of tech tards out there, I think that pissing off a small percentage of power users is an acceptable trade-off to these companies. Or, at least that is the only conclusion I can come up with, considering how they seem to be doing anything and everything they can to alienate us. It is what I call the 'war on power users'.

Hell, I would've been happy just to have tabs in Windows Explorer, but all we get is the f**king ribbon. Sure, that's not a problem at home, where I can use whatever I want, but at work, where the computers are on lock down, I'm pretty much forced to use whatever comes with the OS. At least they could've thrown us a small bone.

Edited 2012-06-08 23:38 UTC

If you'll keep thinking about and calling them like that, they will be happy to alienate you, seeing it as for their benefit.

(plus, you could be probably a "tech tard" in the eyes of some greybeard, or just somebody from different field of technology)

I agree with this decision, but note that Microsoft was going to keep VS2010 Express available and supported anyway, and hobbyists could use those to target pre-Windows 8 OS.

VS11 Express does have the advantage that the languages are merged into one package. VS2010 Express separated C#, VB, and C++ whereas they all come in the same SKU with VS11 Express (though still it looks like there'll be separate Express SKUs for targetting Metro and Desktop (and Web, but that was already separate in VS2010 Express).

Windows ME 2?

That's just too easy.....

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I'm pretty sure you can build WPF projects with Express version. And who hates XAML for GUI - layouts, animation, data binding, skinning is easy peasy with it.

WPF isn't really WinForms