Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 14th Jun 2012 22:49 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems And finally, finally, finally, Vizio has fully unveiled its brand new line up of laptops and all-in-ones. The successful American TV maker announced its new kit at CES in January, catching my eyes with a set of beautiful, distinctive laptops and all-in-ones, and, as they promised back then, they have now unveiled all. This has want written all over it. Update: Rejoice: non-glossy, matte screens on the laptop.
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That Ultrabook
by ronaldst on Thu 14th Jun 2012 23:35 UTC
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Sexy as a succubus. Just like the one from Acer. It makes the MacBook pro look old and boring.

Just wish the industry would get serious about battery life. 5hours is way too short. 10 hours is still bad. These things should be charged once a week.

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RE: That Ultrabook
by dvhh on Fri 15th Jun 2012 03:22 UTC in reply to "That Ultrabook"
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2006-03-20

Yes, brushed aluminium looks dull, I crave for a more colored ultrabook (or I might paint one myself :p)

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RE: That Ultrabook
by phoenix on Fri 15th Jun 2012 04:11 UTC in reply to "That Ultrabook"
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2005-07-11

Exactly. Stop making things thinner, and stick bigger/better batteries inside. We don't need laptops under 1" thick ... we need laptops that will last a full work/school day away from an outlet. Just like we don't need phones that are thin enough to slice cheese ... we need phones we can use heavily for a full day (or even three) without lugging a charger around.

We've gone way beyond the useful limits for "thin". We need longer usage times!!

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RE[2]: That Ultrabook
by NuxRo on Fri 15th Jun 2012 08:32 UTC in reply to "RE: That Ultrabook"
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2010-09-25

Exactly. Stop making things thinner, and stick bigger/better batteries inside. We don't need laptops under 1" thick ... we need laptops that will last a full work/school day away from an outlet. Just like we don't need phones that are thin enough to slice cheese ... we need phones we can use heavily for a full day (or even three) without lugging a charger around.

We've gone way beyond the useful limits for "thin". We need longer usage times!!


+11111111111111111111

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RE[3]: That Ultrabook
by wocowboy on Mon 18th Jun 2012 09:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: That Ultrabook"
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2006-06-01

Evidently there is no demand for a laptop, phone, or whatever, that lasts all day, or the manufacturers would make them. That's why the skinny phones like the Droid Razr sell like hotcakes even though you have to start looking for a power outlet before noon if you use the LTE to any degree at all. Same thing for the ultrabooks. Apple is doing better with their Macbook Airs in this department than the PC makers, but I still want a laptop that lasts all day.

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RE[2]: That Ultrabook
by Treza on Fri 15th Jun 2012 20:45 UTC in reply to "RE: That Ultrabook"
Treza Member since:
2006-01-11

Agreed

Boring chunks of aluminium, MB-Air clone number #21425,
skinny and flat as an anorexic top model.

No, thanks.

I want many connectors and removable parts (ram, HDD...) . I could even like a computer where the (replaceable) AC power supply is integrated.

Some crapwares like evaluation versions of antiviruses are said to be "sponsored" by their providers and actually reduce the price of the windows licence.

Real innovation is to just sell computers without any installed OS and eventually sell separately "real" installation media (CD, USB device...)

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RE[2]: That Ultrabook
by bassbeast on Fri 15th Jun 2012 21:55 UTC in reply to "RE: That Ultrabook"
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2007-11-11

Sadly you can blame what has been labeled "cargo cult usability" and the fact that Apple and their "Art of design" has been such a huge hit.

Just like the cargo cults simply mimicked the most obvious features of an airbase without knowing the reasoning behind it and thought that it would work, these companies are taking the most obvious part of Apple design, the "thin and sleek look" and copying it hoping like the cults to replicate success.

Personally i'm with you, I'd rather have longer battery life which is why i went an got a EEE AMD netbook, as while its not as thin and sleek as the new machines it gets around 6 hours for me playing 720p video, longer for surfing, and a third party battery can get that up to closer to 12 if i need the extra time. But it looks like sadly we are in the minority as people keep buying these thinner devices, it doesn't help that many like my cousins have already been trained to carry a charger with them everywhere because of how quickly you can drain these devices, they just go from outlet to outlet as if that should just be expected, never questioning it.

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RE[2]: That Ultrabook
by Soulbender on Sat 16th Jun 2012 14:08 UTC in reply to "RE: That Ultrabook"
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2005-08-18

You got it all wrong. These things are not for using on-the-go, they are for showing off in the nearest coffee-shop.

Edited 2012-06-16 14:09 UTC

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Matte
by judgen on Fri 15th Jun 2012 01:02 UTC
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2006-07-12

I love that the matte screens are doing a comeback. It was certainly due. (i can hardly see properly on my glossy screen when i sit out on the balcony in the sun. A problem i never had with good matte screens.)

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RE: Matte
by vodoomoth on Sat 16th Jun 2012 18:03 UTC in reply to "Matte"
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2010-03-30

Just to let you know that the Dell XPS 17 (L702X) that I have has a matte screen. The fact hadn't been publicized at all, which I still don't understand. I can't tell you how pleased I was when I first opened the lid and realized the laptop had a matte screen! I also realized that the argument/pretext about better colors on glossy screens is pure BS.
Barring the lousy non-backlit keyboard, this computer is the best I've ever had and the matte screen contributes much to that impression of mine.

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Hokey keyboard, though
by phoenix on Fri 15th Jun 2012 04:09 UTC
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2005-07-11

All that beautiful design for the AiOs ... and they saddle them with a hokey laptop keyboard. ;)

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VIZIO lost the race for me
by Spoonman on Fri 15th Jun 2012 04:29 UTC
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2009-02-26

with their tablet, it is a peace of crap with lousy support and buggy software. i will never buy anything from them again.

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No bloatware?
by XenonXZ on Fri 15th Jun 2012 08:41 UTC
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Doesn't Win7 alone take up like 10 gigs? ;)

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Comment by bolomkxxviii
by bolomkxxviii on Fri 15th Jun 2012 11:13 UTC
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2006-05-19

Holy ~!@#$ someone actually selling computers without glossy screens! I know where I am going to purchase my next computer. Thanks!

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RE: Comment by bolomkxxviii
by dnebdal on Fri 15th Jun 2012 13:18 UTC in reply to "Comment by bolomkxxviii"
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2008-08-27

Lenovo does the same - though sadly, their screens are otherwise a bit unimpressive. (My T410 is a great laptop, but the screen is mediocre at best. At least it's not glossy.)

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RE[2]: Comment by bolomkxxviii
by znby on Fri 15th Jun 2012 20:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by bolomkxxviii"
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2012-02-03

The X220 has an IPS panel option, and it looks great. No idea if they offer it on their other models, and if not, why they restricted it to the X220... My old T61 didn't have a great screen IIRC.

I wonder if this Vizio company will have a presence in Europe.

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RE: Comment by bolomkxxviii
by vodoomoth on Sat 16th Jun 2012 18:10 UTC in reply to "Comment by bolomkxxviii"
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2010-03-30

As I wrote in another comment on this article, some Dell laptops have matte screens but Dell doesn't advertise that feature, which is a mistake IMO. Mine is a full hd on a 17" laptop with high-luminosity, wide viewing angles and bright colors. Some people have the 3D version of the screen.

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Dell, and other actually do make similar
by dudeman456 on Fri 15th Jun 2012 12:03 UTC
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2012-01-04

Dell makes an All-In-One that completes with Apple's

Dell XPS One 27

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2404922,00.asp

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I think Thom was trying to say that the styling and the bloatware prevent them from being alternatives ( in his opinion) to Apple's products.

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Comment by Flatland_Spider
by Flatland_Spider on Fri 15th Jun 2012 20:22 UTC
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2006-09-01

It would seem that it takes a newcomer to finally be able to do what HP, Dell, etc. could not


Of course. It doesn't have the same cultural inertia that the others do, it doesn't have the size the others do, and it has the luxury of enter PCs as a side business. The others need massive volume to pay the bills, and massive volume lends itself best to boring bland designs.

The question, in my mind, is how is the support experience, and what kind of value does Vizio bring to the table that the others don't?

Lenovo inherited the excellent support tools from IBM, and ThinkPads are built like tanks. Their update tool is second to none. The others have tools that are supposed to work like that, but really, they're useless.

Dell is the most end user focused and has excellent support. Their support is the least antagonistic of the big three. Dell Diagnostics actually works well, but the rest of their tools don't work that well.

I'm not sure what value HP brings to the table. Their computers are cheap, and their support is awful.

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Keypad
by vodoomoth on Sat 16th Jun 2012 18:12 UTC
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2010-03-30

I don't see the point of an AIO without a numeric keypad. Am I the only one to be baffled with that?

Edited 2012-06-16 18:12 UTC

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Comment by kurkosdr
by kurkosdr on Sat 16th Jun 2012 23:24 UTC
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2011-04-11

Unfortunatelty, it's not only crapware/trialware that slows down a PC. It's also the fact the installation image is "automatically generated from a database", whatever this means. This is the reason the update to SP3 failed for some XP machines back then (OEMs used the same image for Intel and AMD laptops) and probably the reason my mom's HP came with a fragmented HDD out of the box (took 1,5 hours to defrag). Or why my old compaq nx9420 boots faster with 7 than the OEM-installed XP.

Normally OEMs should install the OS by hand in the first sample of a particular model, and make the image from that. Not generate it automatically. So let's see how Vizio does woth that and what the boot times of their PCs will be before we rejoice.

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wheres the colour?
by zhulien on Sun 17th Jun 2012 14:24 UTC
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2006-12-06

um, they look pretty crap like my imac

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TV maker ?
by Lennie on Mon 18th Jun 2012 08:39 UTC
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2007-09-22

So they are the number one TV-maker in the US as the article claims ?

I'm over in Europe and I've never even heared of them.

I thought it was mostly a global market by now...

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