Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Jul 2012 23:18 UTC
Apple Both The Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg, the usual means through which Apple itself spreads rumours, have reported that a 7" iPad will be launched coming October. It's pretty obvious why Apple would leak this information now - to hinder the launch of the Nexus 7. According to Gruber, it would sport a 7.85" 1024x768 display - quite a step down from the 1280x800 7" display on the Nexus. Still, this is about the operating system, not specifications, so it doesn't matter all that much. I wonder what Jobs would think of this 7" tablet. Oh wait.
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Comment by Tony Swash
by Tony Swash on Wed 4th Jul 2012 23:33 UTC
Tony Swash
Member since:
2009-08-22

"I wonder what Jobs would think of this 7" tablet. Oh wait."

I think he would have said what he said about video on an iPod - it won't work - until Apple decides it can and then it does.

I wonder if they will do a mini-iPad, if they do they will probably pull the ground from under the Google and Amazon efforts (both of which I think would have performed feebly in the market anyway) and that just leaves Surface, Microsoft's last great chance to to stay relevant. It's certainly going to be an interesting few months as the next year could pretty much determine the tablet market for years to come. If Apple's iPad is still as dominant and growing in a year then that may pretty much wrap the tablet market up for the foreseeable future.

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RE: Comment by Tony Swash
by REM2000 on Thu 5th Jul 2012 06:55 UTC in reply to "Comment by Tony Swash"
REM2000 Member since:
2006-07-25

Steve was right, video didn't work on the iPod, it was only with the introduction of the iPod touch that video became workable on the mobile device.

Id be very surprised if apple releases a 7" iPad, it goes against the anti fragmentation and the consistent message of Steve/apple that there is no market for 7" iPad

Watching many of the all things d and other interviews when pushed regarding an apple phone in 2004/05 Steve listed reasons why it wouldn't work, namely the carriers, however with the 7" he was adamant that it just wouldnt work, apple also is a company that provides a very focused bunch of products as they have see cross product cannibalisation in other companies.

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RE[2]: Comment by Tony Swash
by MOS6510 on Thu 5th Jul 2012 13:19 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Tony Swash"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I always take my iPod Classic on holiday to watch series and movies (and play poker during flight). It's the only time of year I use it.

An iPod touch gives a better viewing experience, but the Classic has much more storage.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Do you really want to get into all of the things Steve Jobs and Apple said were terrible ideas at one point, then did later? Smart people allow their minds to be changed in the face of overwhelming evidence. Stupid people do not.

I know that I've certainly said and really believed some really stupid things in the past, when I didn't have much evidence to go by.

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RE[3]: Comment by Tony Swash
by jared_wilkes on Thu 5th Jul 2012 15:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Tony Swash"
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

More importantly, Jobs clearly doesn't think 3.5 inches is too small for the iPhone so what was he really saying?

Jobs was saying that for tablets, whatever size, to take off they need apps that include more UI and functionality than their smartphone counterparts and that trying to squeeze that into what was available as a 7" screen two years ago and/or just using the same apps as on smartphones wouldn't cut it.

Now, two years later, Apple already has a huge base of tablet apps and 7" screens are available with higher ppis so they can support the same resolutions as 10" screens were able to two years ago.

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RE[3]: Comment by Tony Swash
by Radio on Thu 5th Jul 2012 15:39 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Tony Swash"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

But you are not the genius, universally, revolutionary Steve Jobs, whose insight was miles ahead of us miscreants, whose vision was clear and hard as diamond, and who single-handedly changed everything, and changed everything. Again.

Also, it was not something he ranted in a bar after his fifth daiquiri. It was his assesment, and he was adamant: 7" tablet where "dead on arrival", that "the screen is too small to express the software" and Apple is "a software driven company, we think about the software strategies first", and that those tablets should come with sandpaper so that user could file their fingers.

Also, see:
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/05/25/dalrymple-ipad-mini
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/12/29/digitimes
http://daringfireball.net/2012/02/apple_should_be_worried
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/12/30/bray-tablets
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/02/02/sterling
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/08/29/sentence

Edited 2012-07-05 15:41 UTC

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I think you're trying to grind an axe with Steve, which is fun, but I hope you're not missing the larger point which almost everyone in society does these days ( and probably other days too).

It is wise to change one's position after further reflection leads one to a different conclusion. That change in position should not be derided, but celebrated.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.


-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

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RE[6]: Comment by Tony Swash
by Radio on Thu 5th Jul 2012 17:06 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Tony Swash"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

Ooooh, you like quotes?

We Are At War With Eastasia. We Have Always Been At War With Eastasia.

--Big Brother (a great mind, the equal of Pythagoras, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, ans Steve Jobs, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh).

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RE[5]: Comment by Tony Swash
by shotsman on Thu 5th Jul 2012 16:55 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Tony Swash"
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

Try telling that to a Politician.
All they will think of is 'U-Turn' and reject it outright.

Personally, I think you are correct.

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RE[2]: Comment by Tony Swash
by Radio on Thu 5th Jul 2012 15:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Tony Swash"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

That is why it might be the first fake scoop by the WSJ/Bloomberg. There is no 7" iPad int he pipe, they are just spreading uncertainty and doubt to harm Nexus 7 sales.

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RE: Comment by Tony Swash
by dsmogor on Thu 5th Jul 2012 10:37 UTC in reply to "Comment by Tony Swash"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

And we forget Jobs (sadly) no longer makes decisions.

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classic apple..
by jimmystewpot on Thu 5th Jul 2012 01:20 UTC
jimmystewpot
Member since:
2006-01-19

Small tablets are inferior... so lets release one... rather than stay true to their word they chase the mighty dollar above all else. Same with most corporations.. sell their mum for a few dollars more.

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RE: classic apple..
by orestes on Thu 5th Jul 2012 01:24 UTC in reply to "classic apple.."
orestes Member since:
2005-07-06

Yeah, it's called pragmatism. That's why Apple is in the market position they're in today.

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Unbelievable.
by snfgd on Thu 5th Jul 2012 03:22 UTC
snfgd
Member since:
2012-04-23

Unbelievable. If this isn't proof that hardware manufacturers are clueless I don't know what is.

I've worked at Best Buy for 8 years now and it's common knowledge that smaller screen = worse user experience. A 7 inch iPad would never sell.

Would a 7 inch iPhone? Hell yes. Give me one of those please.

But no one in their right mind is going to buy a 7 inch iPad. I would feel ashamed even suggesting it.

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RE: Unbelievable.
by dukes on Thu 5th Jul 2012 04:23 UTC in reply to "Unbelievable."
dukes Member since:
2005-07-06

Unbelievable. If this isn't proof that hardware manufacturers are clueless I don't know what is.

I've worked at Best Buy for 8 years now and it's common knowledge that smaller screen = worse user experience. A 7 inch iPad would never sell.

Would a 7 inch iPhone? Hell yes. Give me one of those please.

But no one in their right mind is going to buy a 7 inch iPad. I would feel ashamed even suggesting it.


The iPad is just a big iPod Touch (nobody mentions this anymore).

What's the difference between a 7-inch iPad and a 7-inch iPhone (app-wise). They are the same thing minus phone calling.

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RE[2]: Unbelievable.
by WorknMan on Thu 5th Jul 2012 04:36 UTC in reply to "RE: Unbelievable."
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

What's the difference between a 7-inch iPad and a 7-inch iPhone (app-wise).


Or a 7-inch Kindle Fire, for which Amazon has sold a shitload of.

And anyway, these rumors of a smaller iPad have been swirling for years... how much longer are people going to continue reporting on this bullshit? I mean, I'm sure it'll happen eventually, but jeez!

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RE[3]: Unbelievable.
by shotsman on Thu 5th Jul 2012 17:01 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Unbelievable."
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

Quote
Or a 7-inch Kindle Fire, for which Amazon has sold a shitload of.
EndQuote.

In a very small corner of the world. Whilst it might be a great device but Amazon is not selling it in countries where they sell the Kindle and Kindle Touch.

So until they do, it might be the best Table in the Universe but I can't order one online nor can I go into a shop and buy one. Ergo, it is a failure just like the Zune etc.

Obviously this may change should they deem the rest of the world worthy for their wonderful device.

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RE[4]: Unbelievable.
by WorknMan on Thu 5th Jul 2012 18:35 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Unbelievable."
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Obviously this may change should they deem the rest of the world worthy for their wonderful device.


Trust me, you wouldn't want one even if you could get one. The Kindle Fire sucks ass, so consider it a blessing that it's not available wherever you are ;)

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Good for them.
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 5th Jul 2012 03:53 UTC
UltraZelda64
Member since:
2006-12-05

Apple can keep their 7" iDick and go f*** themselves up the ass with it.

[Yeah, I'm still pretty irritated about the Apple vs. Android patent lawsuit against Samsung.]

Edited 2012-07-05 03:54 UTC

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So if the 7" Tablet is a Mini Pad...
by shollomon on Thu 5th Jul 2012 03:57 UTC
shollomon
Member since:
2008-07-06

is the 10" tablet a maxi pad? Just askin'.

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I just ordered...
by thavith_osn on Thu 5th Jul 2012 04:52 UTC
thavith_osn
Member since:
2005-07-11

...the Nexus 7...

I've mentioned I'm a Mac fan from way back (1980), but couldn't resist the lure of the Nexus... I couldn't see Apple bringing out a 7" quad anytime soon, plus because Google is in control of this one, updates should be frequent.

Lets see if Android 4.1 can match my love for all things iOS :-)

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RE: I just ordered...
by dukes on Thu 5th Jul 2012 18:51 UTC in reply to "I just ordered..."
dukes Member since:
2005-07-06

...the Nexus 7...

I've mentioned I'm a Mac fan from way back (1980), but couldn't resist the lure of the Nexus... I couldn't see Apple bringing out a 7" quad anytime soon, plus because Google is in control of this one, updates should be frequent.

Lets see if Android 4.1 can match my love for all things iOS :-)


We're on the same boat. Long time Apple fan, but I couldn't resist the price of the Nexus 7. It's everything I wanted the iPad to be: less than 10 inches, NOT 1024x768 (hello 1990?), and less than $300.

Thank you Google. My money is on the 16GB model. It also helped to trade in a truckload of Wii stuff at Gamestop. Got a hefty trade-in credit +30% towards the Nexus 7.

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I am amazed on how gruber knows its stuff
by dvhh on Thu 5th Jul 2012 05:25 UTC
dvhh
Member since:
2006-03-20

...These are displays Apple knows they can produce efficiently and in enormous quantities
.

Apple don't produce their own display panel, the correct term would be ordering the display panel, to sharp, samsung or LG.

However, without announcing any product, Apple can create hype thanks to their fans army.

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Comment by Radio
by Radio on Thu 5th Jul 2012 06:24 UTC
Radio
Member since:
2009-06-20

Chris Ziegler of the Verge (@zpower) suggest that that rumour could have been leaked to cripple some of the appeal of the Nexus 7 (to make fanbois and the people they influence hesitate to jump ships). Which means there might not be any 7" iPad. Even if the WSJ is supposed to be reliable, this could be just psyops.

Now, Gruber the shameless idiot:

And then for developers, the iPad Mini acts just like an iPad 1 or 2: same number of pixels, just a little smaller physically. It’s not a new target.
Oh. I though graphical elements had to be finely tuned? I guess Apple has a iFingerSharpener in stock.

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RE: Comment by Radio
by dsmogor on Thu 5th Jul 2012 10:39 UTC in reply to "Comment by Radio"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Apple is now resolution / aspect ratio stuck the same way they used to be PPC stuck. They will pitch its superiority to no end until they finally find a way to switch.

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Wouldn't that be an 8" tablet?
by jared_wilkes on Thu 5th Jul 2012 12:58 UTC
jared_wilkes
Member since:
2011-04-25

We call the 9.7" iPad a 10" iPad. Why would a 7.85" iPad be classified as 7" rather than 8"?

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the point is the price
by TechGeek on Thu 5th Jul 2012 20:42 UTC
TechGeek
Member since:
2006-01-14

I think the reason this could be true is that 7" tablets fit the right price point. Tablets are still for most people just consuming devices. They aren't anything else than entertainment. As such, price is a big point for the 7" tablets.

There is also the notion that you are either and 7 or a 10. Some people prefer the smaller one. (especially it seems women who want it to fit in their bag) Personally, I would like the asus transformer with keyboard, but I am not going to pay almost the same as a new laptop to get one. I think I read the new transformer infinity is going to be $1000 and include the keyboard.

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Patent it
by twitterfire on Thu 5th Jul 2012 21:49 UTC
twitterfire
Member since:
2008-09-11

Will Apple patent tablets with 7" diagonal and sue Google afterwards for patent infringement?

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