Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Jul 2012 18:39 UTC
Windows "Windows 8 is on track to Release to Manufacturing the first week of August. For enterprise customers with Software Assurance benefits, they will have full access to Windows 8 bits as early as August. Additionally, she noted that RTM is when we’ll be turning on the commerce platform so that developers can start earning money for their apps. [...] Tami went on to say that Windows 8 will reach general availability by the end of October! This means that new Windows 8 and Windows RT PCs will be available to buy and upgrades will be available starting in October. She also mentioned that that Windows 8 will be available in 109 languages across 231 markets worldwide."
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Imagine
by MOS6510 on Mon 9th Jul 2012 18:56 UTC
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2011-05-12

Imagine being the first one to buy Windows 8 and it turns out to be the worst version if Windows ever. Well, after version 3.0 of course.

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RE: Imagine
by malxau on Mon 9th Jul 2012 19:48 UTC in reply to "Imagine"
malxau Member since:
2005-12-04

Well, after version 3.0 of course.


What was so bad about 3.0?

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RE[2]: Imagine
by moondevil on Mon 9th Jul 2012 20:28 UTC in reply to "RE: Imagine"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Don't know, I was happy with it.

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RE[3]: Imagine
by Bit_Rapist on Tue 10th Jul 2012 04:42 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Imagine"
Bit_Rapist Member since:
2005-11-13

Nah it was Windows 3.11 for Workgroups that you were happy with ;)

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RE[4]: Imagine
by moondevil on Wed 11th Jul 2012 05:33 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Imagine"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

I am old enough to have tried all Windows versions...

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RE[2]: Imagine
by quackalist on Mon 9th Jul 2012 21:15 UTC in reply to "RE: Imagine"
quackalist Member since:
2007-08-27

Not sure I wouldn't prefer Win 3 to 8. Maybe not, but 2000 is certainly a goer.

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RE[2]: Imagine
by MOS6510 on Tue 10th Jul 2012 05:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Imagine"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Windows 3.0 was just like Windows 3.1 only with features missing and a lot more bugs.

The good thing was that it did run on a 286 with 1 MB of RAM, IIIRC 3.1 needed a 386 and 2 MB.

The big problem I had with 3.0 and 3.1 that when one application crashed the rest was bound to also blow up.

People may not like 9x, ME and Vista (pre SP1), but they were much better than 3.0 and 3.1 (leaving 3.11 out on purpose).

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RE[3]: Imagine
by Yeti on Tue 10th Jul 2012 06:04 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Imagine"
Yeti Member since:
2005-07-11

Nope. I have a laptop with a 286 & 1 MB of RAM and Win 3.1 runs on that beast just fine.

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RE[4]: Imagine
by MOS6510 on Tue 10th Jul 2012 12:25 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Imagine"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Well, that's a pleasant supprise!

I'll see if I can get 3.1 running on a 286.

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RE[3]: Imagine
by malxau on Tue 10th Jul 2012 07:12 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Imagine"
malxau Member since:
2005-12-04

Windows 3.0 was just like Windows 3.1 only with features missing and a lot more bugs.


True, for the most part.

The good thing was that it did run on a 286 with 1 MB of RAM, IIIRC 3.1 needed a 386 and 2 MB.


3.0 was the only version to support all three operating modes: real, standard, and 386 enhanced. Real could run on an 8088 with 640Kb of memory. It also provided great compatibility with real mode Windows 2.x applications, which was effectively removed from 3.1.

I know it's impossible to really go back, but I have a soft spot for 3.0 - it's the first one I developed for, and I still have the SDK manuals on my shelf.

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RE[4]: Imagine
by MOS6510 on Tue 10th Jul 2012 12:19 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Imagine"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I have an IBM PS/2 286 with Windows 3.0.

It's a nice machine, but sadly the "paint" on the metal case starts to fall off.

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RE[5]: Imagine
by moondevil on Wed 11th Jul 2012 05:38 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Imagine"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

I almost bought one!


The first PC I bought, the choice was between a PS/2 286 with OS/2 v1.0 or a 386 SX PC clone with the double of hard disk size running DR-DOS.

Since the 386 was way cheaper than the IBM one, while giving me the opportunity to play with all the 386 cool features, that was the one I took home.

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RE[6]: Imagine
by MOS6510 on Wed 11th Jul 2012 10:33 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Imagine"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I remember reading an article where they dished the 386. The 286 was better price/performace and it would be improved well far in to the 90's.

For DOS stuff a 286 is, for most things, quite enough.

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RE[7]: Imagine
by zima on Thu 12th Jul 2012 06:44 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Imagine"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

For DOS stuff a 286 is, for most things, quite enough.

Nah, DOS stuff worth revisiting is mostly about games (why would you torture yourself with some DOS applications from the day?). Only, those from 286 era are usually not worth anything (PC was bad platform for games at that point; why did people even bother...) - while the later gems really could do with 386 or 486 (or even Pentium, some of them)

Of course, it's usually better to just run them all under DOSbox anyway...

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RE[3]: Imagine
by zima on Thu 12th Jul 2012 06:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Imagine"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

features missing and a lot more bugs [...] when one application crashed the rest was bound to also blow up.

Pretty much all families of consumer OS shared those issues back then. Win 3.x was decent for the times.

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RE[4]: Imagine
by MOS6510 on Thu 12th Jul 2012 06:59 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Imagine"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Despite all its limitations MS-DOS was pretty stable. It's got a place in my favorite OS list.

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RE[5]: Imagine
by zima on Thu 12th Jul 2012 08:28 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Imagine"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

You count this one among OS? ;P

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RE[6]: Imagine
by MOS6510 on Thu 12th Jul 2012 10:48 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Imagine"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I certainly do! BUT on the right computer. The faster/modern a PC is the more DOS sucks, but on an IBM XT with a black/green screen for example it's pretty cool.

NT 4.0 is cool too, on a dual Pentium Pro, but not on a Xeon powered server for example.

But DOS and NT 4 look very unnatural on those machines, even though they'd fly. Well, not sure NT would install on a Xeon or if it does support most if any of they hardware.

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RE[7]: Imagine
by zima on Thu 12th Jul 2012 15:01 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Imagine"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Next you'll tell me you also appreciate CP/M? ;)

DOS more or less sucked everywhere, really - you just got used to it, thinking there was no hope for anything better (if only we'd realise back then something like Contiki, SymbOS, or GEOS - both 8 and 16-bit version separately notable)

NT 4.0 is cool too, on a dual Pentium Pro

Not entirely... yeah, it kinda fits a machine of such generation (dual Pentium II 266 in my case), with how light it is - but no USB is a bummer (we really got used to the convenience of USB flash drives, and many newer mouses don't seem to include the logic necessary to work with USB->PS/2 converter). So, for me, 2k fits it better.

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Looking forward to it
by Adurbe on Mon 9th Jul 2012 20:30 UTC
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2005-07-06

Im looking forward to the launch and using the 'complete' versions of the metro apps. I hope the state they are in is unfinished and not just shoddy ;)

I would be surprised if they didnt launch with a few 'big name' apps though like Office or Sage. No biz will dare shift over unless they can almost guarantee they wont be inconvenienced to much (there is always a bit of pain in upgrading an os with those wonderful legacy apps)

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RE: Looking forward to it
by sagum on Mon 9th Jul 2012 22:12 UTC in reply to "Looking forward to it"
sagum Member since:
2006-01-23

Im looking forward to the launch and using the 'complete' versions of the metro apps. I hope the state they are in is unfinished and not just shoddy ;)

I would be surprised if they didnt launch with a few 'big name' apps though like Office or Sage. No biz will dare shift over unless they can almost guarantee they wont be inconvenienced to much (there is always a bit of pain in upgrading an os with those wonderful legacy apps)


That is something I've said for a while since using the preview apps. If Microsoft wants people to use Metro, they're going to have to make the apps better then what we already have.

The mail app is really bad, its not even worth setting up in its current state. Just pin your webmail access to the start screen instead, you'll have a 100% better experiance.

There doesn't seem to be any announcement of killer Metro apps yet, and while I understand that they will come eventually as thats what Microsoft is pushing for, sooner the better in this case.

I'd love to see adobe setup with a native photoshop, but I think we'll see more of gimp or paint.net taking a Metro look.

One program I think would do really well as a Metro app is steam, but I think the way Metro apps work, it'd make it next to impossible for that to happen ;)

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How boring
by bjornoslav on Mon 9th Jul 2012 20:31 UTC
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2012-07-07

Windows 8 turned out to be a very fundamental change in the way users use their PCs, in my opinion too unecessary and stupid.

I'll continue using Arch Linux and won't care about Windows 8 for the forseeable future.

Oh, its interface is plain ugly and uninspirative.

EDIT: for me, it seems Internet Explorer is all inside Metro. EU, don't miss the opportunity to have some fun punishing Microsoft ;)

Edited 2012-07-09 20:34 UTC

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RE: How boring
by Tuishimi on Tue 10th Jul 2012 17:55 UTC in reply to "How boring"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

"I'll continue using Arch Linux and won't care about Windows 8 for the forseeable future."

Why did you even care in the first place, enough to comment about how awful it is if you are running Arch, are happy with it, and plan on continuing to use it.

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RE[2]: How boring
by lucas_maximus on Tue 10th Jul 2012 20:22 UTC in reply to "RE: How boring"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

They try a little bit too hard don't they.

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RE: How boring
by zima on Mon 16th Jul 2012 22:54 UTC in reply to "How boring"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Windows 8 turned out to be a very fundamental change in the way users use their PCs

So, "how boring" because of too great changes, WTH are you people on?

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Comment by aaronb
by aaronb on Mon 9th Jul 2012 20:53 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

Having tried the release candidate, I am not enthusiastic about Windows 8. It is probably alright on a tablet PC, but it is a bit of a pain to use on a PC. I do not understand why we cannot select explorer or metro mode on first login with the option of changing it later in the control panel.

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Comment by andih
by andih on Tue 10th Jul 2012 00:04 UTC
andih
Member since:
2010-03-27

all windows versions are bad.. This one will be no different.

bad for your wallet
bad for your freedom
bad for your brain

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RE: Comment by andih
by lucas_maximus on Tue 10th Jul 2012 02:27 UTC in reply to "Comment by andih"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Because $40 is really expensive for something that gets updated for 10 years.

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RE: Comment by andih
by Tuishimi on Tue 10th Jul 2012 17:56 UTC in reply to "Comment by andih"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

You need a bigger brush.

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RE: Comment by andih
by moondevil on Wed 11th Jul 2012 05:48 UTC in reply to "Comment by andih"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Sure, everyone should just get everything for free.

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RE: Comment by andih
by zima on Mon 16th Jul 2012 22:58 UTC in reply to "Comment by andih"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

bad for your brain

It's not windows which did it to you. Do not keep forgetting the pills.

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