Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Jul 2012 09:29 UTC
Google Hurray for openness and the community: "Over the last week, our Jason Parker (a.k.a. kornyone) has been playing with his Nexus Q, seeing how far he could push it and how capable it could be. It started with the basics (fastboot and adb pushing) and then Trebuchet, Netflix and other apps, followed by XBMC for Android. Well, now Jason is back with another breakthrough - CM9." Just keep beating that tired and worn drum of placing open between quotation marks, John. You're very convincing.
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Lolz... Wow...
by D-Master-D on Mon 16th Jul 2012 11:26 UTC
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... you got a real hard-on for Jon Gruber, don't ya 'Tom' ;-D

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RE: Lolz... Wow...
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 16th Jul 2012 11:53 UTC in reply to "Lolz... Wow..."
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The two items came right after each other in my RSS feed, and the disconnect between reality and Jon's world made me smile.

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RE[2]: Lolz... Wow...
by D-Master-D on Mon 16th Jul 2012 13:28 UTC in reply to "RE: Lolz... Wow..."
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I incorrectly corrected you on the spelling there - sorry about that ;-)

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RE: Lolz... Wow...
by some1 on Mon 16th Jul 2012 12:33 UTC in reply to "Lolz... Wow..."
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RE[2]: Lolz... Wow...
by D-Master-D on Mon 16th Jul 2012 13:30 UTC in reply to "RE: Lolz... Wow..."
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Thanks for pointing out my mistake - I should have checked before I posted

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Comment by some1
by some1 on Mon 16th Jul 2012 12:27 UTC
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I don't understand why anyone still cares what FM or Gruber write.

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v Objectivity
by henderson101 on Mon 16th Jul 2012 15:22 UTC
RE: Objectivity
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 16th Jul 2012 16:54 UTC in reply to "Objectivity"
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From my stand point, I'd tend to agree about the quotes around open with regards to the ouya. At the moment it is pure vapour.


You know just as well as I do that's not his reason or putting quotes around "open".

He's just blindly following the party line.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8072542/Google-Android-...

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RE: Objectivity
by Radio on Mon 16th Jul 2012 19:53 UTC in reply to "Objectivity"
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The ouya is not made yet, that is why Gruber puts "open" between quotes.

Yeah, that makes so much sense. Thanks, henderson101!

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by kurkosdr on Mon 16th Jul 2012 22:36 UTC
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You know just as well as I do that's not his reason or putting quotes around "open".

To be frank, Android as offered in the Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus Tablet and Nexus Q doesn't meet any definition of "open".

It's not open source, since not only some userland apps, but also most drivers and codecs important for the function of the device that can't be removed, are closed source. So, it's mixed.

It's not open, because the APIs used for hardware video acceleration are not open in any of the 4 devices (an open device must have all of it's APIs documented).

So yeah, Android is "open". The existence of Cyanogen is not a proof of openness. Cyanogen just uses the same binary blobs vanilla Android uses.

Edited 2012-07-16 22:39 UTC

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RE: Re:
by Radio on Tue 17th Jul 2012 11:36 UTC in reply to "Re:"
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Plus royaliste que le roi !

With your definition, Linux is not open. It only works with binary blobs and -oh my god!- I can run proprietary apps in userland! What has the world come to!

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Comment by kurkosdr
by kurkosdr on Tue 17th Jul 2012 15:02 UTC
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With your definition, Linux is not open. It only works with binary blobs

Linux can be compiled into a working product without the binary blobs, because at least some drivers for some hardware and PCs are open source. Instead, the Android source code dump does not contain open source drivers for not even one phone/tablet. You can not compile Android into a working product for any phone/tablet yet. But hey, Google wants us to believe that the Android running on their Nexus devices is "open source". This is what I hate. Just call the Android running on the Nexus devices "mixed" or "mostly open source", but not open source.

Also, it's not about whether you can run proprietary apps, but whether the OS ships with proprietary apps.

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