Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 17th Aug 2012 21:42 UTC
Legal "Oracle has admitted to the court that it retains the frequently-cited Florian Mueller of the popular blog FOSS Patents as a consultant. The official disclosure comes a week after the judge in Oracle's lawsuit against Google took the extraordinary step of ordering both parties to reveal any paid journalists or bloggers on their payrolls. Both companies filed their responses today, and Mueller is the only person named in either filing." Google paid nobody. Also, if you're surprised by Mueller being paid by Oracle - I have a Paleis op de Dam to sell you.
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What?
by zima on Fri 17th Aug 2012 22:07 UTC
zima
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2005-07-06

No red paint scout girl? From where did this Paleis op de Dam stuff suddenly come from?

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RE: What?
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 17th Aug 2012 22:25 UTC in reply to "What?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Where I'm from, selling girls is kinda frowned upon.

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RE[2]: What?
by Soulbender on Sat 18th Aug 2012 10:18 UTC in reply to "RE: What?"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Where I'm from, selling girls is kinda frowned upon.


Uhm..are you sure you're from Holland?

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RE[3]: What?
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 18th Aug 2012 10:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: What?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

"Where I'm from, selling girls is kinda frowned upon.


Uhm..are you sure you're from Holland?
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Note the "kinda".

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RE[2]: What?
by zima on Sat 18th Aug 2012 15:56 UTC in reply to "RE: What?"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Where I'm from, selling girls is kinda frowned upon.

Must note you conspicuously didn't write the all-inclusive "selling people is kinda frowned upon"...

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Not news
by bowkota on Fri 17th Aug 2012 23:07 UTC
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Anyone who reads Mueller's blog (especially the bitter ones) should be aware that he's a paid consultant for Oracle.

He has informed his readers on numerous occasions that he is a paid consultant for Oracle. There's no hidden secret that has been suddenly exposed.

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RE: Not news
by JAlexoid on Fri 17th Aug 2012 23:27 UTC in reply to "Not news"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

2 isn't numerous.

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RE: Not news
by galvanash on Fri 17th Aug 2012 23:45 UTC in reply to "Not news"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

Anyone who reads Mueller's blog (especially the bitter ones) should be aware that he's a paid consultant for Oracle.


Being a paid consultant, and then running an industry analysis blog and posting about the details of a legal dispute involving one of your clients is highly unethical.

It really doesn't matter if you disclose that your paid by one of the parties, its still unethical. The minute you comment at all about a legal case your client is involved in you stopped doing analysis and started doing propaganda. He could have easily saved his reputation by simply recusing himself...

Florian Mueller is a paid whore. He may as well put that at the bottom of his bio.

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RE[2]: Not news
by bassbeast on Sun 19th Aug 2012 23:02 UTC in reply to "RE: Not news"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

But which is worse, the paid whore or the paid troll?

Personally I'd rather deal with the paid whore where I know who they are whoring to (so I can avoid any articles involving their master) than deal with articles spammed all over the Internet by the likes of Nichols and Thurott who whole job it is to write the most flamebait articles possible to turn as much of the net into flamewars as they can to ratchet up their page views.

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RE: Not news
by ichi on Sat 18th Aug 2012 01:45 UTC in reply to "Not news"
ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

He has informed his readers on numerous occasions that he is a paid consultant for Oracle. There's no hidden secret that has been suddenly exposed.


Admiting being paing by Oracle only when hard-pressed to do so doesn't cut it.

He's publishing articles from a "patent expert" standpoint, and he should have added a notice about his relationship with Oracle in every article covering anything Oracle-related.

I know being a blogger doesn't make you a journalist, but if you'll be kinda pretending being one you could also adopt some journalism ethics.

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To be fair...
by galvanash on Fri 17th Aug 2012 23:37 UTC
galvanash
Member since:
2006-01-25

On one hand, Mueller did admit to this himself back in April - so it isn't exactly news.

I think the fact that Oracle had paid shills, while Google had none, speaks volumes in and of itself.

On the other hand, voluntarily outing yourself as a paid whore does at least demonstrate a degree of honesty... But your still a paid whore.

If the guy had an ounce of ethics, he wouldn't be doing analysis on the details of an ongoing legal disputes when he is being paid as a consultant by one of the parties. You can be a consultant and an analyst at the same time, as long as you don't ever let one influence the other.

I know that nowadays no one considers analysts to be "ethical", but all it takes to change that is for them to start acting that way...

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oracle's behavior sucks
by TechGeek on Sat 18th Aug 2012 01:28 UTC
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2006-01-14

Today's release didn't stop Oracle from insisting that Google has a whole network of shills working behind the scenes to orchestrate a complete PR make believe world. They all just do it for free apparently.

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getting worse
by bowkota on Sat 18th Aug 2012 08:38 UTC
bowkota
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2011-10-12

Wow I had no idea the comments in here had deteriorated so much. Name calling and trolling seems to be a common occurrence.

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RE: getting worse
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 18th Aug 2012 10:17 UTC in reply to "getting worse"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Name calling? Where?

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RE[2]: getting worse
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Sat 18th Aug 2012 12:02 UTC in reply to "RE: getting worse"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I think he might be offended by the whole Florian is a paid whore thing. But that's not trolling or name calling, its an apt description, imho.

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RE[3]: getting worse
by Beta on Sun 19th Aug 2012 11:39 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: getting worse"
Beta Member since:
2005-07-06

I think he might be offended by the whole Florian is a paid whore thing. But that's not trolling or name calling, its an apt description, imho.


Yup, doing tricks for cash is pretty much exactly as described.

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"Google pays nobody"
by MOS6510 on Sat 18th Aug 2012 13:09 UTC
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2011-05-12

"As for Google, the company flatly tells us that "no one on our side paid journalists, bloggers, or other commentators to write about this case." The actual statement filed with the court is a bit more vague, however. Google says it's never directly paid anyone to write about the case, but it has relationships with a number of institutions like universities, political organizations, and trade associations, all of whom might employ bloggers or journalists to advocate for certain positions."

Oh well, they said they don't evil so it has to be true.

Still, it's less easy to doubt Google than Oracle's donations to somebody who accepts the money, yet remains neutral.

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Comment by smashIt
by smashIt on Sun 19th Aug 2012 17:29 UTC
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2005-07-06

Google says it's never directly paid anyone to write about the case, but it has relationships with a number of institutions like universities, political organizations, and trade associations, all of whom might employ bloggers or journalists to advocate for certain positions.


and don't forget that most bloggers are earning money through adsense

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RE: Comment by smashIt
by kwan_e on Mon 20th Aug 2012 06:45 UTC in reply to "Comment by smashIt"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

and don't forget that most bloggers are earning money through adsense


From what I experience, most bloggers that "earn" "money" through adsense will only be too happy to talk shit about Google...

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