Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 25th Aug 2012 06:07 UTC
Legal Reactions to Apple's yesterday win are in. Tim Cook: "The lawsuits between Apple and Samsung were about much more than patents or money. They were about values. At Apple, we value originality and innovation and pour our lives into making the best products on earth. [...] We applaud the court for finding Samsung's behavior willful and for sending a loud and clear message that stealing isn't right." Samsung: "Today's verdict should not be viewed as a win for Apple, but as a loss for the American consumer. It will lead to fewer choices, less innovation, and potentially higher prices. It is unfortunate that patent law can be manipulated to give one company a monopoly over rectangles with rounded corners, or technology that is being improved every day by Samsung and other companies."
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Values, sure.
by Soulbender on Sat 25th Aug 2012 07:02 UTC
Soulbender
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2005-08-18

We applaud the court for finding Samsung's behavior willful and for sending a loud and clear message that stealing isn't right.


But...Jobs said stealing was good. Heck, the man even took pride in it.
Funny how going from underdog to big dog can change your values.

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RE: Values, sure.
by Nth_Man on Sat 25th Aug 2012 07:39 UTC in reply to "Values, sure."
Nth_Man Member since:
2010-05-16

But...Jobs said stealing was good. Heck, the man even took pride in it.
Funny how going from underdog to big dog can change your values.

If anyone needs citations:

Video of Steve Jobs saying:
"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

The interview comes from a documentary called "Triumph of the Nerds" which chronicles the rise of the PC beginning in the 1970s and continues through the IBM PC and Apple Macintosh.
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And in http://www.osnews.com/comments/26306 we can read that "Microsoft's response to Apple's win is probably the most cringeworthy of all: 'Windows Phone is looking gooooood right now.'"

“Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox, and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”
-- Bill Gates, Mac Week, March 14, 1989
http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2010/01/0119apple-unveils-lisa/
http://www.mac-history.net/the-history-of-the-apple-macintosh/rich-...
http://www.macworld.co.uk/blogs/index.cfm?blogId=8&entryId=392
http://www.wservernews.com/archives/wservernews-20090330.html

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Rounded corners
by Nth_Man on Sat 25th Aug 2012 07:24 UTC
Nth_Man
Member since:
2010-05-16

It is unfortunate that patent law can be manipulated to give one company a monopoly over rectangles with rounded corners

Using the information that Unclefester gave us, we can see that:
To anyone born before 1960 (eg Steve Jobs) "rectangles with rounded corners" is a blatantly unoriginal design. For example, it is used in the slate they learned to write on.

Slate circa 1880:
- 10" "screen"
- stylus input (chalk)
- 0.5" thickness
- narrow frame with rounded edges

You can buy one of these amazing low tech tablets for $6 on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Slate-Chalk-Board-Double-Natural/dp/B00456GFW...

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RE: Rounded corners
by unclefester on Sun 26th Aug 2012 03:21 UTC in reply to "Rounded corners"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

I learned to write on one of these in the late 1960s.

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Ho my god !!!
by _QJ_ on Sat 25th Aug 2012 07:41 UTC
_QJ_
Member since:
2009-03-12

I come back from vacation, and what I learn !?!

My factory of black-rectangles-with-rounded-corners dishes is in big troubles....

I AM DOOOOMED !!!

;-)

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RE: Ho my god !!!
by _QJ_ on Sat 25th Aug 2012 07:44 UTC in reply to "Ho my god !!!"
_QJ_ Member since:
2009-03-12

Seriously:

Which company will be on target next week ?

And:

In this case court: If it was not Samsung (Sud Corean) but an American company, does the result be the same ?

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v More choice.
by phti on Sat 25th Aug 2012 08:01 UTC
RE: More choice.
by woegjiub on Sat 25th Aug 2012 09:45 UTC in reply to "More choice."
woegjiub Member since:
2008-11-25

Vanilla Android is different enough. I hate touchwiz precisely because it is like the stupid iPhone interface.

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RE[2]: More choice.
by phti on Sat 25th Aug 2012 11:50 UTC in reply to "RE: More choice."
phti Member since:
2012-06-02

you're right. I was talking about Samsung not Android as a whole. If they just used a vanilla android, maybe they would have saved a lot of money ;)

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v RE: More choice.
by phti on Sat 25th Aug 2012 11:51 UTC in reply to "More choice."
another reason
by Janvl on Sat 25th Aug 2012 08:24 UTC
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Member since:
2007-02-20

I certainly hope that some more people realise that one should not buy apple products, not now, not ever, never.

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RE: another reason
by phti on Sat 25th Aug 2012 11:48 UTC in reply to "another reason"
phti Member since:
2012-06-02

uhm... and why?
please explain, how are samsung or other mega-corporations better than apple?

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Comment by Lazarus
by Lazarus on Sat 25th Aug 2012 08:27 UTC
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2005-08-10

"At Apple, we value originality and innovation and pour our lives into making the best products on earth"

And your one billion dollar "innovation" involves rectangles with rounded corners, and common sense UI features.

This is what you get when you remove anyone who actually knows anything about technology (or i guess common sense) from jury duty. Here's hoping the mess gets fixed on appeal.

Fucking rounded rectangles...

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RE: Comment by Lazarus
by MOS6510 on Sat 25th Aug 2012 10:17 UTC in reply to "Comment by Lazarus"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

The jury members were pretty good educated and included a few with a technical background.

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RE[2]: Comment by Lazarus
by Fergy on Sat 25th Aug 2012 17:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Lazarus"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

The jury members were pretty good educated and included a few with a technical background.

So how do you explain the verdict then? I think the judge is up for "worst human being 2012".

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RE: Comment by Lazarus
by UltraZelda64 on Sat 25th Aug 2012 10:55 UTC in reply to "Comment by Lazarus"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Yeah. There were probably a lot of Apple fans in the jury. I see no other logical explanation for this astonishingly repulsive ruling. Apple's response was the typical "haha, we won, see, we're the best and can do no wrong" while Samsung was down to earth on their response to the ruling. The fact that Apple won and got these insanely retarded patents upheld is downright nauseating, and although obviously Samsung is just trying to make themselves look better, they're exactly right, and I applaud them for calling out on the U.S. patent system for what it really is: bullshit.

Apple, go eat d***.

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Comment by Stephen!
by Stephen! on Sat 25th Aug 2012 14:16 UTC
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2007-11-24

"At Apple, we value originality and innovation"

For a company that values originality, they don't seem particularly imaginative when it comes to naming their products - iMac, iPod, iPhone, iPad, iOS, iWork, iCloud, iTunes etc

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v RE: Comment by Stephen!
by akrosdbay on Sat 25th Aug 2012 15:33 UTC in reply to "Comment by Stephen!"
RE[2]: Comment by Stephen!
by tupp on Sat 25th Aug 2012 15:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Stephen!"
tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

None one before Apple had named anything with an i pre-fix. So that is very original. Now it is a brand identity thing. i in front of a product is synonymous with Apple.

It never ceases to amaze that Apple fanboys actually believe such ridiculous notions.

No. Apple was not the first with "iNames" -- not by a longshot. Here is the Lowel i-Light, whose small "i" name was trademarked in 1985 (around 15 years before the first Apple "iProduct": http://lowel.com/ilight/

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RE[3]: Comment by Stephen!
by Yagami on Sun 26th Aug 2012 09:34 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Stephen!"
Yagami Member since:
2006-07-15

its funny because there were "xAPP" (X apps ) , "gAPP" (Gnome Apps) , "kAPP" (KDE Apps) ...

but being linux, using the same prefix for its products is geek and stupid.


Of course if apple does it, its cool and innovative !

Seriously ... can't we do anything about this?! I am not American, and I actually find my phone charges nice ( 15€ and i have free call's, sms and 600MB internet month ), but Its disgusting to read about this. And then read U.S.A Citizens complain about phone charges.

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RE[3]: Comment by Stephen!
by zima on Tue 28th Aug 2012 02:50 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Stephen!"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

It never ceases to amaze that Apple fanboys actually believe such ridiculous notions.

It's only apt in this case, I suppose - after all, i really stands for "imaginary" (also, notably, i^2 = -1)

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RE[2]: Comment by Stephen!
by smashIt on Sat 25th Aug 2012 20:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Stephen!"
smashIt Member since:
2005-07-06

None one before Apple had named anything with an i pre-fix.


like the original iPhone (infogear 1996)?

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