Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 31st Aug 2012 11:37 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Where can I order? "Nokia's new flagship Windows Phone 8 device has been leaked today, revealed as the Lumia 920. Posted to Twitter by Evleaks, the Lumia 920 appears to include a PureView camera that the company has been hinting at in recent weeks. Codenamed the Phi, Nokia's Lumia 920 is said to include a 4.5-inch display and will likely be available in a number of colors judging by the leaked image." Yes miss, the red one please. No, no need to wrap it, don't need bag - I'll have ripped open the box before I go through the door.
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dsmogor
Member since:
2005-09-01

The renders doesn't exhibit any hump which suggests that the camera will be nothing like that one in 808.
Let's hope the label means more than just a refreshed sensor everybody else has. Nokia should finally enjoy fruits of its technology excellence in photo department.

Edited 2012-08-31 11:48 UTC

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Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

Between the lack of a bump and the pixelation of the shadow on this render, it screams "fake".

The Verge is sinking to new lows. You should be more careful when linking to them, in the future.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Rumor also has it its a 21mp sensor, not 42, which could explain the lack of bulk.

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dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Lumia is still a bit more chunky than e.g. Galaxies but still having the optics shrinked 2 times means order of magnitude worse result, so while it might be still better, it's nowhere near PureView magic. I hope the won't tarnish that brand trying to easily exploit it for newer handset promotion. PureView is the only unique Nokia technology left.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Ive never used an 808, but down sampling a 21mp image is probably still amazing looking comparatively.

Its all speculation though, and I never saw the issue with a bulky sensor.

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dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

It's not about the pixel count but about the sensor size and optics and those need to be trimmed preety badly.
It was the same with N8 and N9. N9 had 3/4 pixel count of n8 but the quality was in a different league.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Makes sense. I surely hope there hasn't been too much compromise.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

It's not about the pixel count but about the sensor size and optics and those need to be trimmed preety badly.
It was the same with N8 and N9. N9 had 3/4 pixel count of n8 but the quality was in a different league.


I wonder how many people there actually are that would rather have a bulkier phone in exchange for better optics and therefore better image quality. All the manufacturers these days seem to focus on making as slim phones as ever possible and the general populace seems to be perfectly happy with that, but if the phones were bulkier the extra space could be used for larger battery, better optics, more storage and so on.

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Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

Well, I really wanted the Nokia N8 due solely to the fine optics, and especially the xenon flash bulb, but by the time I was ready to get a smartphone (and switch providers, too) it had become too hard to find locally.

That phone has quite a bit of extra bulge to support the optics.

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aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

The bulk of course got nothing to do with the number of pixels but rather the size of the sensor, optics and cooling.

Edited 2012-09-01 15:14 UTC

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

The bulk of course got nothing to do with the number of pixels but rather the size of the sensor, optics and cooling.


There is no active cooling on ARM-based mobile devices.

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aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

I was rather talking about the sensor.

At least for bigger cameras the sensor run hot for movies and while somewhat smaller in this phone so is the volume around it. I don't know what kind of cooling it needs.

Also all processors will require cooling since they run of electricity and the electricity will make the chips hotter. They may not require active cooling though. Somehow the heat will spread though.

There's also the chance Pureview actually make some other chips run hotter since the sensor actually use those 36+ (or so) mpx even in video mode whereas most digital cameras only use a few of the pixels in video mode. Close to 40 mpx * 30 or 60 fps becomes quite a bit of data.

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Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Fri 31st Aug 2012 11:56 UTC
MOS6510
Member since:
2011-05-12

It looks like my Lumia 800, which looks very nice. I think it's good to make every new Lumia look at bit like the previous one, making them easy to recognize.

The only thing I don't like about the Lumia is the hidden mini USB connector needed to charge the device. it's behind a flap that's not easy to open. With this system there is also no way to put it in a dock that also charges it.

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by Nelson on Fri 31st Aug 2012 14:02 UTC in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

And its also one of the first things to break on the Lumia 800. I love the design of it, the flap just needs to be sturdier.

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by dsmogor on Fri 31st Aug 2012 15:18 UTC in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

I for one happen to like that thing in my wife's N9. While it's fragile it leaves a much better impression than bulky rubber corks other producers use.
That phone is all about design without compromises (I know, an Apple fanboy attitude) so you either love or hate it.

Edited 2012-08-31 15:25 UTC

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Meh
by sparkyERTW on Fri 31st Aug 2012 12:30 UTC
sparkyERTW
Member since:
2010-06-09

Admittedly stylish, but I'm still more interested in seeing what Jolla comes up with.

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RE: Meh
by flypig on Fri 31st Aug 2012 12:57 UTC in reply to "Meh"
flypig Member since:
2005-07-13

It's very frustrating. These look like great phones, and I only wish they were running MeeGo (I'm sure there's nothing wrong with WinPhone8, it's just a personal preference).

Unfortunately I'm not yet convinced Jolla will offer a serious, viable, long-term answer or whether the alternatives' ecosystems are really worth switching for.

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RE[2]: Meh
by plague on Fri 31st Aug 2012 17:35 UTC in reply to "RE: Meh"
plague Member since:
2006-05-08

Completely agree there..
I would be very satisfied with Android on it though.

I _want_ a Nokia phone, especially if their phones look this nice, but I don't want WinPhone _at all_.
Quite annoying.

Maybe, just maaaaybe, in the future I'll buy a Nokia phone, root it and install CM on it instead. If ever possible.
But before that, no WinPhone for me.

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RE[3]: Meh
by aliquis on Sat 1st Sep 2012 15:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Meh"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

Even if it's good?

Android only feels half-open anyway considering most manufacturers screw it up. Open-source against the manufacturers, rather closed and lacking cool hacks against the consumer.

The has probably improved somewhat lately and even if (close to) all the phones except Nexus ones are closed by design at least you can open them yourself. Somewhat.

Edited 2012-09-01 15:21 UTC

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RE[4]: Meh
by plague on Sat 1st Sep 2012 17:04 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Meh"
plague Member since:
2006-05-08

I'm not touching WinPhone or iOS, no matter if they are good or not. I simply don't like the companies behind them.

Unfortunately, that means even if Android get's ported to Nokia phones, I'll still be very hesitant to buying one even if just to replace WinPhone with Android. This because I don't like giving Microsoft (or Apple) my money.

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RE[5]: Meh
by Nelson on Sat 1st Sep 2012 17:25 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Meh"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Microsoft says thanks for the money from your Android purchase.

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RE[6]: Meh
by glarepate on Sat 1st Sep 2012 17:57 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Meh"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

And Barnes and Noble says "Thanks!" for all of the Android patent extortion money [ever collected] in exchange for dropping the patent abuse lawsuit.

No new products from this partnership so far. Not even any PR announcements. It's been 3 months!

'Sup widdat?

Edited 2012-09-01 18:04 UTC

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RE[7]: Meh
by Nelson on Sat 1st Sep 2012 18:35 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Meh"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I was going to reply, but I'm too busy scratching my head, trying to make sense of your comment.

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RE[6]: Meh
by plague on Sat 1st Sep 2012 18:10 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Meh"
plague Member since:
2006-05-08

Yeah, I know.. Not much I can do about that but bitch and complain and, ofcourse, _not_ give any _more_ money to them.

What better alternatives are there?
iOS? *laughs*
WebOS? nope
BlackBerry? no thanks
MeeGo? nope, not yet anyways, maybe later if Jolla succeeds
Bada? nope, they killed it

Infact, Android is currently the _only_ realistic alternative if you want a good smartphone but don't want Microsoft or Apple products.

Btw, do Microsoft really collect softwarepatent money from Android devices sold in countries that don't have softwarepatents? That seems very wrong.

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RE[7]: Meh
by Nelson on Sat 1st Sep 2012 18:33 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Meh"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Yes they do. Its what happens when Google allows Microsoft the leverage by not protecting OEMs. Android is not so free, is it.

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RE: Meh
by drcouzelis on Fri 31st Aug 2012 16:51 UTC in reply to "Meh"
drcouzelis Member since:
2010-01-11

I ordered my very first smart phone this week and it came in the mail last night: a Nokia N900. ;)

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RE[2]: Meh
by bnolsen on Sat 1st Sep 2012 13:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Meh"
bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

do some preemptive work on that micro usb port. That will break if you don't properly fix it right away.

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RE[3]: Meh
by WereCatf on Sat 1st Sep 2012 15:05 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Meh"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

do some preemptive work on that micro usb port. That will break if you don't properly fix it right away.


Hasn't broken on mine. I don't know if people have just had a bad batch of N900s or if they've been too rough on the USB-port or what. Or maybe I've just gotten one from the lucky batch.

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Beautiful
by hollovoid on Fri 31st Aug 2012 13:16 UTC
hollovoid
Member since:
2005-09-21

Please bring this to Verizon, I know it wont happen, but that phone, combined with the ridiculous LTE in this area would be perfect.

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RE: Beautiful
by glarepate on Sat 1st Sep 2012 18:02 UTC in reply to "Beautiful"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

Verizon is supposed to be getting the CDMA version of the Arrow phone, designated Atlas. Look for it in November.

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it's possible
by phti on Fri 31st Aug 2012 15:48 UTC
phti
Member since:
2012-06-02

So it's completely possible to build a smartphone and not copy the iPhone. Good to know!

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RE: it's possible
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 1st Sep 2012 01:14 UTC in reply to "it's possible"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

So it's completely possible to build a smartphone and not copy the iPhone. Good to know!


It's not. Even devices with *keyboards* were found to infringe the iPhone's *design* patents by the competent (haha) jury.

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RE[2]: it's possible
by WereCatf on Sat 1st Sep 2012 06:30 UTC in reply to "RE: it's possible"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

It's not. Even devices with *keyboards* were found to infringe the iPhone's *design* patents by the competent (haha) jury.


That's the scary thing about the ruling: even a TV infringes on the design patents, even though it predates the patents by decades.

As much as I dislike Apple and their behaviour I have to say that Samsung is also partially to blame for this ruling: both Apple and Samsung ruled out technically-adept people from the jury in the hopes that the jury would misunderstand things and uphold the parties' patents claims, ie. it was a gambit on both Apple's and Samsung's part and for Samsung the gambit wasn't worth it -- Samsung was clearly hoping the jury would award them Lots of Money(TM) for the patents. Greed got the better of Samsung and now, unless the appeals court overturns the verdict, the whole U.S. consumer base has to pay for it.

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RE[3]: it's possible
by Nelson on Sat 1st Sep 2012 16:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: it's possible"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

The TV thing is a mischarcterization of the ruling. Samsungs devices infringed on a totality of the design of the iPhone from the shape, to the icons, to the colors, to the design of the box. As a whole the products infringed, not individually.

Did the Jury make mistakes? Of course. The verdict form and subject matter was complicated (in fact an article on OSNews even pointed it out) but can it be taken care of by a Judge or on appeal? Of course. We're talking a few million in the scheme of a billion dollars, so it isn't like there was a grand conspiracy.

This villainization of the Jury is disgusting.

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RE[4]: it's possible
by WereCatf on Sat 1st Sep 2012 17:10 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: it's possible"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

This villainization of the Jury is disgusting.


What villainization? Saying that they were not enlightened enough to make a competent ruling on the subject matter does not in any way or form make them villains.

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RE[5]: it's possible
by Nelson on Sat 1st Sep 2012 17:16 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: it's possible"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

That's one instance, they've been called nationalists or xenophobic (an American jury ruling against a Korean company) and they've had their words twisted to suggest they didn't follow instructions. Really stupid and childish crap like that.

It went from "there's no way the jury will toss out all this prior art!" to "something must be wrong with the Jury" to "the Judge is biased". Just a bunch of nonsensical red herrings. Blame everyone except Samsung.

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Comment by Drumhellar
by Drumhellar on Fri 31st Aug 2012 16:51 UTC
Drumhellar
Member since:
2005-07-12

I'll take one in White, please.
But, please come out on T-Mobile.

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RE: Comment by Drumhellar
by glarepate on Sat 1st Sep 2012 18:00 UTC in reply to "Comment by Drumhellar"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

T-Mo should be getting the 820.

AT&T has an exclusive on the 920 for a while.

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Same chassis as the N9 and older Lumias
by ronaldst on Fri 31st Aug 2012 17:56 UTC
ronaldst
Member since:
2005-06-29

I was expecting something new and fresh.

Reply Score: 2