Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 8th Sep 2012 11:58 UTC
Legal "While Apple's technology is a 'very nice invention', the technique used in Android differs from the iOS solution, argued Bas Berghuis van Woortman, one of Samsung's lawyers. Because the Android based method is more hierarchical the system is more complex and therefore harder for developers to use, he said. [...] Apple disagrees. 'They suggest that they have a lesser solution, but that is simply not true', said Apple's lawyer Theo Blomme to judge Peter Blok, who presided over a team of three judges, in a response to Samsung's claim." I just wish these companies and their lawyers could see and hear themselves. If only for a few seconds. Not even Monty Python could write this. By the way, all these patents were already thrown out last year by the Dutch courts, but Apple started a 'bottom procedure', a more thorough handling of the case. Three expert IP judges preside, and due to the earlier ruling, Apple is fighting an uphill battle.
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Pythonesque indeed
by phti on Sat 8th Sep 2012 12:30 UTC
phti
Member since:
2012-06-02

Even the Samsung lawyer's name seems mocked up by Monty Python.

Edited 2012-09-08 12:31 UTC

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RE: Pythonesque indeed
by jal_ on Sat 8th Sep 2012 21:40 UTC in reply to "Pythonesque indeed"
jal_ Member since:
2006-11-02

That's quite a normal Dutch name, actually. (Edit: if his name is Berghuis, and Woortman the firm as I interpreted it. Otherwise he's just pretentious ;) )

Edited 2012-09-08 21:44 UTC

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The patent troll apple again
by Janvl on Sat 8th Sep 2012 12:56 UTC
Janvl
Member since:
2007-02-20

No one should buy their stuff, you do not feed trolls.

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RE: The patent troll apple again
by redshift on Sat 8th Sep 2012 13:07 UTC in reply to "The patent troll apple again"
redshift Member since:
2006-05-06

They are all trolls... get the phone that suites your needs.

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Janvl Member since:
2007-02-20

All trolls are equal but some are more trolls then others . . .

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0brad0 Member since:
2007-05-05

They are all trolls...


Not even close to being true and Apple started all of this.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

No they didn't. Samsung decided to adopt a strategy of copying Apple. That's where these problems started. Samsung could make it's own dent in the universe.


The question that begs for an answer is: at what point does being similar become copying, and at what point does copying go from flattering to wrong? I, for example, own a Galaxy Note that very, very clearly is nowhere near an iPhone yet I've still seen comments from Apple-fans claiming that it, too, is copying Apple's products.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15



Neither Apple nor Samsung should be allowed to patent that, there's simply absolutely NOTHING new or inventive in either patent application. Those things -- including the controls and all -- have been done already in the 80s.

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I agree, but that's a whole different subject. This is about Samsung yet again copying Apple stuff. It's becoming hard to sum up all the stuff they copied without leaving something out.

Samsung copies Apple and sells a lot of stuff, Nokia (and RIM) doesn't copy and doesn't sell lots.

This makes me wonder why people claim the Apple vs Samsung verdict is bad for customer choice and innovation. If companies kept on copying Apple we'd end up with iPhones and iPhone look-a-likes. Nokia, who does offer a good and different product, doesn't even get a chance to show its goods because everybody wants an iPhone or something that looks like it.

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nej_simon Member since:
2011-02-11

So Samsung is copying Apple because they both have "volume up", "volume down" and "answer call" on the earphones remote control? That's a ridiculous claim. There are tons of earlier earphones with a similar design. What other buttons would you put on a earphones remote control?

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Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

http://nicklazilla.tumblr.com/post/29202801252/samsung-is-apples-bi...

This sort of back and forth could go on a long time. It seems to me that one should clarify what one is arguing about.

Does anyone think that Samsung did not deliberately try to copy Apple's iPhone, iOS and trade dress (packaging , retails styles etc)?

There seems to be a lot of evidence that they did, not just lists of obviously similar designs (in some cases very, very similar) but also the documents that came out in the trial that showed that copying Apple was a strategy. It's probably not really worth arguing about whether they did or did not because if you think they did not, in face of the huge amount of evidence that they did, then I doubt anything would change your mind.

A more interesting argument is that which says that Samsung did copy but there is nothing wrong in doing that and that there should be no legal restraint on copying (or at least the sort of copying Samsung undertook).

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Perverse
by Hypnos on Sun 9th Sep 2012 03:30 UTC
Hypnos
Member since:
2008-11-19

That in the tech space you have one multinational trashing its own technology, and a competing multinational praising, all because of some patent litigation.

Is this competition?

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Slightly confusing blurb
by darknexus on Sun 9th Sep 2012 07:36 UTC
darknexus
Member since:
2008-07-15

"While Apple's technology is a 'very nice invention', the technique used in Android differs from the iOS solution, argued Bas Berghuis van Woortman, one of Samsung's lawyers. Because the Android based method is more hierarchical the system is more complex and therefore harder for developers to use, he said. [...] Apple disagrees. 'They suggest that they have a lesser solution, but that is simply not true', said Apple's lawyer Theo Blomme to judge Peter Blok, who presided over a team of three judges, in a response to Samsung's claim."


I'm to blame for reading the comments before the article but, from this blurb, it sounds to me like Apple is disagreeing with Samsung about Android having a lesser solution to multi-touch rather than still attempting to attack. My own fault, but a bit humorous anyway. Silly me, of course Apple is still on the attack. I'm going to go slap myself for being irrationally optimistic.

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to copy or not to copy
by Janvl on Sun 9th Sep 2012 21:55 UTC
Janvl
Member since:
2007-02-20

It does not matter whether Samsung "copied" the iPhone or iPad. Both are not "unique designs" as apple wants us to believe. Patenting a "rectangle with rounded corners" shows how sick that (us)-system is. There is loads of prior art and apple as a company has always taken designs from others for their products. Apple is good in marketing but not in designing nor in technique, it never was.
If you look at the smartphone market they all look alike: thin, touchscreen, rounded edges in some way. That should not be patentable.
If one should mix up the two brands although the name is pretty large on both, then I doubt such one is able to use the device.
So Apple has become a patenttrol and I don't like patentrolls.

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