Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 10th May 2013 23:40 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "The Lumia 928 sports a 4.5-inch AMOLED display (PureMotion HD+), 8.7MP camera (PureView, Carl Zeiss, OIS and Xenon flash), 4G LTE connectivity, wireless charging, three HAAC microphones and a loud speaker. It's an improved Lumia 920." This is the Lumia that will turn Nokia and Windows Phone around. I'm super-serious you guys!
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PowerDive! Momentum.
by tomz on Sat 11th May 2013 00:08 UTC
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This is not an iPhone killer and only Apple with Steve Jobs mystique can be a one-phone company.

The 808 with symbian I think has a better camera.

The Windows archipelago (the PC, Xbox, and mobile that are three, not one platform, without a zune/ipod touch/android player!) isn't going to suddenly be compelling with one really, really expensive, top of the line phone with existing bad blood over the experience isn't going to recover.

Momentum works both ways. The S3 wasn't wonderful nor are its android peers, but the S4 and the new ones are a "safe" choice. Most people with Android phones don't utterly hate them. Most like them and are integrated and used to the ecosystem. At least so that their friends won't screech in horror at the idea of buying even some other brand (and they are quite nice too).

If you ask someone who got (suckered into buying) a win 7.dead-end phone going to say they should buy one? One of the earlier lumias? One of the surfaces? Windows 8? Vista? They will of course say "it will be different this time". Or more likely "Avoid microsoft like the plague - buy a dumb phone - I hope you are within the 14 days".

The mistake for Microsoft and Nokia was to push hard in a big way the earlier trash instead of having this the first phone. If this, or something which was near if not better than the N8 and N9/N950 as their debut. Something that had high-end peripherals to demonstrate the power.

Assuming someone was burned by WP before, will it be upgraded? What is the battery life? Is the camera as good as the new Blackberrys (Now that is a recovery, but they were gliding well above the ground).

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RE: PowerDive! Momentum.
by Nelson on Sat 11th May 2013 01:37 UTC in reply to "PowerDive! Momentum."
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

This is not an iPhone killer and only Apple with Steve Jobs mystique can be a one-phone company.


Right. Nokia has a full Lumia portfolio across a broad range of price points. The 928 is just the flag ship.


The 808 with symbian I think has a better camera.


It depends on the scenario. The 808 supersampling and lossless zoom definitely out class the Lumia 928's camera, but in low light conditions or when recording shaky video, the 928's camera should edge it out.

Xenon Flash is still pretty rare on a phone, so its nice to see the 928 get it. From what I remember when they hyped it up during the N8 days, it makes a huge difference.

To me though, the biggest feature is the OLED screen. The IPS LCD in the 920 never really had the deep blacks that Windows Phone deserves.


The Windows archipelago (the PC, Xbox, and mobile that are three, not one platform, without a zune/ipod touch/android player!) isn't going to suddenly be compelling with one really, really expensive, top of the line phone with existing bad blood over the experience isn't going to recover.


Well, the PC and the Xbox are pretty safe bets at the moment. Windows 8 has sold 100 million licenses, and the 360 has been the #1 selling console for the past two years.

Windows 8's story is just getting told, but I'm pretty optimistic that a common platform across the devices will bring developers over.

There are already signs this is happening on Windows Phone, with a number of big name apps landing on the platform over the past few weeks.


Momentum works both ways. The S3 wasn't wonderful nor are its android peers, but the S4 and the new ones are a "safe" choice. Most people with Android phones don't utterly hate them. Most like them and are integrated and used to the ecosystem. At least so that their friends won't screech in horror at the idea of buying even some other brand (and they are quite nice too).


I agree with you here. Nokia and Microsoft's problems is that Android is getting better faster than the can capitalize on their faults.


If you ask someone who got (suckered into buying) a win 7.dead-end phone going to say they should buy one? One of the earlier lumias? One of the surfaces? Windows 8? Vista? They will of course say "it will be different this time".


Windows Phone 7 devices are still being sold and represent a third of Nokia's Lumia shipments last quarter. They are being marketed and sold around the world as a low cost strategy. The Lumia 505 in Mexico and the 610 in Europe/Asia are examples of this.

They've been received rather well too, all things considered.

Its also worth noting that the big name apps I spoke of earlier in my comment are also coming to Windows Phone 7. The dead-end thing is fantasy on your part.

Surfaces have actually had pretty decent reception given their limited availability. Especially on the Surface Pro, Microsoft makes quite a lot of money off of each one individually.


The mistake for Microsoft and Nokia was to push hard in a big way the earlier trash instead of having this the first phone. If this, or something which was near if not better than the N8 and N9/N950 as their debut. Something that had high-end peripherals to demonstrate the power.


Yeah, of course. I don't fault Nokia for this as much as I fault Microsoft. They were too slow moving on Windows Phone. They might still be, time will tell.


Assuming someone was burned by WP before, will it be upgraded? What is the battery life? Is the camera as good as the new Blackberrys (Now that is a recovery, but they were gliding well above the ground).


The 920's Camera already took the BB's camera to task. The 928 should only widen that lead substantially. The 920 actually has a really kick ass camera, if you've ever held one.

Battery life on the 928 is supposed to be amazing, but I don't really buy into a spec sheet's battery stats, so I'll wait for a review.

If Nokia were smart they'd release this internationally.

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RE[2]: PowerDive! Momentum.
by chithanh on Sat 11th May 2013 09:26 UTC in reply to "RE: PowerDive! Momentum."
chithanh Member since:
2006-06-18

The article (emphasis in original):

This is the Lumia that will turn Nokia and Windows Phone around.

The GP:
This is not an iPhone killer and only Apple with Steve Jobs mystique can be a one-phone company.

You:
Right. Nokia has a full Lumia portfolio across a broad range of price points. The 928 is just the flag ship.

It is obvious that one phone can't turn around Nokia, and this is what the GP pointed out.

Windows Phone 7 devices are still being sold and represent a third of Nokia's Lumia shipments last quarter. They are being marketed and sold around the world as a low cost strategy. The Lumia 505 in Mexico and the 610 in Europe/Asia are examples of this.

Indeed, and we see that in countries like Italy where Nokia still enjoys strong sales that there is a higher proportion of WP7 Lumias than elsewhere.

If Nokia were smart they'd release this internationally.

I think Nokia today lacks the resources and incentives to offer to do worldwide launches on all carriers.

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Comment by some1
by some1 on Sat 11th May 2013 01:04 UTC
some1
Member since:
2010-10-05

Hmm. Looks a bit like an iPhone.

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RE: Comment by some1
by Deviate_X on Sat 11th May 2013 09:00 UTC in reply to "Comment by some1"
Deviate_X Member since:
2005-07-11

which one ?

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RE: Comment by some1
by M.Onty on Sat 11th May 2013 12:56 UTC in reply to "Comment by some1"
M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23

A rectangle?

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RE[2]: Comment by some1
by some1 on Sat 11th May 2013 20:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by some1"
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by Hiev on Sat 11th May 2013 05:07 UTC
Hiev
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2005-09-27

I always welcome good quality contenders.

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Comment by microbe
by microbe on Sat 11th May 2013 08:59 UTC
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2011-11-30

This is the phone nokia/windows device should have been in the first place. It's style and functionality all the way round. Nokia shares seem much more attractive with this device in the market.

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RE: Comment by microbe
by glarepate on Sun 12th May 2013 05:04 UTC in reply to "Comment by microbe"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

Yeah. if this phone had been released in October of 2010 with this OS instead of the TelePhone7 OS that was being offered then, or even in November of 2011 when Nokia first released a Lumia, still with the dead-end OS on it, then we would have already been living in a world where the partnership would have been an unqualified success.

Instead we get a slightly modified 920 which was a slightly modified 900. These very nice but rather unexceptional phones haven't really triggered the hoped for turnaround yet though. Coulda, woulda, shoulda ...

Even Elop has said that the turnaround is yet to come.

Ain't reality a drag. (^;)

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Comment by Luminair
by Luminair on Sat 11th May 2013 09:38 UTC
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Member since:
2007-03-30

I gave this a chance. I watched both videos, which is more than most people will do.

Nothing there counteracts the badness of the software. This is not like a PC. I can't install a new shell like I can on Android -- I can't change how it works like I'm used to on Android or PC-compatible hardware. And I can't access countless quality apps like on "Apple".

Windows Phone is a Microsoft copy of Apple iOS. That is a very bad thing because it is mutually exclusive with the ideas of a Windows PC. And because it is worse than Apple at being like Apple, and worse than Android at being like Windows, it is not good enough to warrant switching from either Apple or Android.

Sorry for the bad news Thom... Windows Phone and BlackBerry will continue to fail because there is no reason to switch.

Signed,
I Turn Off "Animations" In Windows System Settings And Android Settings

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Comment by Lava_Croft
by Lava_Croft on Sat 11th May 2013 09:40 UTC
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2006-12-24

The only thing Nokia has to do is find a planet where people do care about their Windows phones.

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Finally a desirable Lumia
by chithanh on Sat 11th May 2013 10:21 UTC
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2006-06-18

This is what should have been the Lumia 900. If it had been, then Nokia's smartphone division would be in a very different situation than it is today.

There are still a few (minor or major depending on your point of view) deficiencies:
* Non-removable battery.
* No microSD slot.
* No 1080p screen. Other big smartphone vendors have 1080p in their flagship devices.
* Only dual-core.
* Heavier than most 4.7" and 5" phones

These are all things that the Galaxy S4 gets right. So the Lumia 928's success will hinge on whether the camera, microphone and Nokia software add-ons sway enough users back.

It looks like quad-core 1080p Windows Phones won't come until late 2013. By then, we may see Android phones with 64-bit ARM CPUs, 4GB+ RAM and 3D displays. If Microsoft doesn't catch up, then things will again look bleak for Nokia.

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RE: Finally a desirable Lumia
by moondevil on Sat 11th May 2013 13:29 UTC in reply to "Finally a desirable Lumia"
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2005-07-08


* Non-removable battery.
* No microSD slot.


Sadly it seems to be a trend even in the other mobiles to have those "features".

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RE: Finally a desirable Lumia
by Carewolf on Sat 11th May 2013 15:45 UTC in reply to "Finally a desirable Lumia"
Carewolf Member since:
2005-09-08

I won't care about more than dual core and 1080p seems more a buzzword number than anything particular useful in a mobil phone. I do miss the SD card and removable battery though. Especially seeing how they managed to put that into the Asha phones.

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RE: Finally a desirable Lumia
by Nelson on Sat 11th May 2013 16:13 UTC in reply to "Finally a desirable Lumia"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I think this is right on the money. I don't really care for 1080p and quad core processing, well maybe I do care about the latter but the screen resolution isn't a deal breaker for me.

However, IF Windows Phone had these features TODAY it would show that Microsoft can keep up with the pace of innovation in other phone OSes. The fact that it still doesn't is an indictment on Microsoft's mobile strategy.

They need to keep doing these admittedly good things, but at a faster pace.

And to me, that's always been Nokia/MSFT's problem. The Lumia 800 would've been nice in 2009 or 2010. The 928 would've been nice last year. Etc. They're always a year late and two steps behind.

That said, I think the 928 will provide a shot in the arm to US sales, but nothing major. If they ship more than half a million units after a full quarter of availability in the US then I'll be surprised.

This is why I want it to go international, an overseas 928 has great potential. Though they're understandably spending all their energy trying to do a volume play with low cost devices.

I think that if after this year, if Nokia has not made material gains in the market then there will be legitimate cause for concern. After all, this is their full strategy realized.

They're shipping 5.6m Lumia's a quarter at the moment, by the end of the year, if they're selling 20m a quarter I'll be a lot less worried.

5.6 million is a nice number, but realistically, Sony sells this in like a month. Sony.

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RE: Finally a desirable Lumia
by zima on Fri 17th May 2013 23:36 UTC in reply to "Finally a desirable Lumia"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

So the Lumia 928's success will hinge on whether the camera, microphone and Nokia software add-ons sway enough users back.

Not "back" - after all this is about a phone for Verizon, a US network where Nokia hardly had any presence.

BTW, stereoscopic* displays already turned out to be a fad, there were some phones with them.

*"3D" is a marketing-speak - "2D" displays already contain most of the information we use for depth perception; plus, stereo displays do some of the additional information very wrong (very bad parallax for example)

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wirless charging ..
by MysterMask on Sat 11th May 2013 10:52 UTC
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2005-07-12

.. is a complete waste of energy. Shame on any tech company that brings such technology to the market.

(Like those appliance that need 20 W standby or those things that can't be turned off because someone wanted to save $0.02 for a real hardware button or ..)

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RE: wirless charging ..
by Luminair on Sun 12th May 2013 02:28 UTC in reply to "wirless charging .."
Luminair Member since:
2007-03-30

I had no idea wireless charging wastes 20w 24/7, this is big news

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RE[2]: wirless charging ..
by _txf_ on Sun 12th May 2013 18:03 UTC in reply to "RE: wirless charging .."
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

Whilst it is wireless charging, "contactless" would be more accurate. Seeing as the charging mechanism is magnetic coupling of two inductors, it works just like a transformer (plus resonant compensation).

Unless there is a mechanism to notify the charger to activate/deactivate then it stands to reason current has to flow through the primary at all times, leading to resistive losses in the wires and electronics.

however it seems strange to me that nobody has included said detection mechanisms...

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Comment by NuxRo
by NuxRo on Sat 11th May 2013 10:52 UTC
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Member since:
2010-09-25

I hope this works out for Nokia's sake, but the Microsoft element completely ruins it for me. I will never buy Microsoft phones.

My hope is the "Asha OS" will evolve past the "feature phone"; anything but Microsoft. ;)

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by Tuishimi on Sat 11th May 2013 17:55 UTC
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2005-07-06

"I am THUPER THERIAL you guys!" (reference from South Park)

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