Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 15th Aug 2013 02:06 UTC
Windows

I know a lot of folks are eager to find out when they will be able to get Windows 8.1. I am excited to share that starting at 12:00am on October 18th in New Zealand (that's 4:00am October 17th in Redmond), Windows 8.1 will begin rolling out worldwide as a free update for consumers on Windows 8 through the Windows Store. Windows 8.1 will also be available at retail and on new devices starting on October 18th by market. So mark your calendars!

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Upgrade pricing
by woegjiub on Thu 15th Aug 2013 02:49 UTC
woegjiub
Member since:
2008-11-25

Hopefully they repeat their new release discount pricing.
I only use windows in a VM for testing purposes, so the full retail price is beyond ridiculous.

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RE: Upgrade pricing
by judgen on Thu 15th Aug 2013 03:14 UTC in reply to "Upgrade pricing"
judgen Member since:
2006-07-12

It is free, it is just a servicepack from 8.0 to 8.1. Do not expect wonders, and if you have a developer account on microsoft.com you can try the pre-release out for free right now. The differences are rather small in my view.

URLs:
http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-confirms-blue-to-be-free-for-existin...

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2038718/microsoft-confirms-the-windo...

Edited 2013-08-15 03:15 UTC

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RE[2]: Upgrade pricing
by woegjiub on Thu 15th Aug 2013 03:18 UTC in reply to "RE: Upgrade pricing"
woegjiub Member since:
2008-11-25

I don't own a copy of windows, though...
$150 is just too much, and I use a self-built PC.

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RE[3]: Upgrade pricing
by moondevil on Thu 15th Aug 2013 08:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Upgrade pricing"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Really? For how much would you sell software?

Lets say a software house that has 5 developers earning 1500 € per month, a secretary earning 1000 € and renting an office space for 800€ a month.

That is a monthly expense of 9300€, disregarding taxes, electricity and other additional costs.

So how would you price boxed software to guarantee a steady revenue to cover those running costs? Even on months with slow sales?

Microsoft being the mammoth they are, have astronomical monthly running costs, maybe they could sell Windows cheaper, who knows.

But there is a reason why commercial software costs what it costs and open source software requires subscriptions/consulting to be profitable.

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v RE[4]: Upgrade pricing
by unclefester on Thu 15th Aug 2013 10:11 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Upgrade pricing"
RE[5]: Upgrade pricing
by MOS6510 on Thu 15th Aug 2013 10:21 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Upgrade pricing"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I think they tried that with MSIE 6.0.

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RE[5]: Upgrade pricing
by lucas_maximus on Thu 15th Aug 2013 12:00 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Upgrade pricing"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Yes lets not try to improve the operating system

...

SERIOUSLY?

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RE[5]: Upgrade pricing
by Nelson on Thu 15th Aug 2013 12:55 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Upgrade pricing"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Wow. You're serious aren't you?

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RE[5]: Upgrade pricing
by znby on Thu 15th Aug 2013 16:36 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Upgrade pricing"
znby Member since:
2012-02-03

If they had that attitude, the world would still be on DOS.

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RE[6]: Upgrade pricing
by tylerdurden on Thu 15th Aug 2013 18:07 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Upgrade pricing"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

You mean like how they got away with exactly that for 2 decades?

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RE[7]: Upgrade pricing
by lucas_maximus on Thu 15th Aug 2013 18:18 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Upgrade pricing"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

If you are talking about Windows 95 to ME, that is a common misconception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_95#Dependence_on_MS-DOS

But I am sure you knew that.

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RE[4]: Upgrade pricing
by flypig on Thu 15th Aug 2013 10:22 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Upgrade pricing"
flypig Member since:
2005-07-13

Microsoft being the mammoth they are, have astronomical monthly running costs, maybe they could sell Windows cheaper, who knows.

I'm no expert on this, so happy to be corrected, but wouldn't it be easiest to just look at the profits made by the Windows division? According to their latest SEC filings, Windows division had an operating income of $9.5 Billion on revenue of $19 Billion for the year up to June 2013. This gives them an (averaged) markup of around 98% across all Windows products.

http://www.microsoft.com/investor/SEC/default.aspx

I realise this is oversimplifying things, and I have no expertise in finance so hardly even know what these terms mean, but my (ignorant) conclusion is that Microsoft could sell Windows at half the price and still break even.

Since the Windows 8.1 update is free, a quick calculation suggests that after removing Microsoft's excessive markup, the *fairer* cost for them to be selling it at would be $0.

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RE[5]: Upgrade pricing
by lucas_maximus on Thu 15th Aug 2013 12:02 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Upgrade pricing"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Sorry I forgot businesses existed to make a profit.

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RE[6]: Upgrade pricing
by Soulbender on Thu 15th Aug 2013 13:26 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Upgrade pricing"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

That's fine but moondevil made it sound look MS barely have their head above the water and by no means can afford to lower the prices.
There's an important difference between "can not" and "will not".

Edited 2013-08-15 13:27 UTC

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RE[7]: Upgrade pricing
by moondevil on Thu 15th Aug 2013 15:24 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Upgrade pricing"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

I just meant software prices are expensive because of the amount of monthly expenses related to it.

How much Microsoft can lower the price and still have affordable profit I cannot judge.

Maybe they could sell Windows for peanuts while getting profit back from another business units.

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RE[5]: Upgrade pricing
by Nelson on Thu 15th Aug 2013 12:53 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Upgrade pricing"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

That's the joys of being a software company. Almost no variable costs and very low fixed costs. After a certain point, you're basically printing money. Windows costs them nothing to replicate, and gains them everything to sell.

This is in stark contrast to becoming a Devices&Services company which has very volatile costs month to month as the service fluctuates in usage and you're at the whim of supplier costs.

Its actually why Tim Cook is so masterful in his supply chain control (letting Apple extract ridiculous profits for a short while, there's evidence that's fading) and Samsung is such an unstoppable force.

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RE[6]: Upgrade pricing
by moondevil on Thu 15th Aug 2013 13:16 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Upgrade pricing"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

That's the joys of being a software company. Almost no variable costs and very low fixed costs. After a certain point, you're basically printing money. Windows costs them nothing to replicate, and gains them everything to sell.


It really depends, they still need to pay:

- employees
- burning media
- delivery
- marketing
- consulting companies doing outsourced stuff

Sure after a version is done, it is easy to replicate, but developer time costs money.

I worked for a few corporations where developer salaries were always seen as a big red minus on the budget as profits were assigned to sales division, not R&D.

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RE[4]: Upgrade pricing
by Soulbender on Thu 15th Aug 2013 13:24 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Upgrade pricing"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Microsoft being the mammoth they are, have astronomical monthly running costs


Well, by all accounts they also have astronomical profits so go figure...

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RE[5]: Upgrade pricing
by lucas_maximus on Thu 15th Aug 2013 18:36 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Upgrade pricing"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

TBH for the complexity, support, backwards compatibility and the reliability of the platform (it been pretty reliable since Windows 2000 as a desktop OS, We can argue about the server editions but they are pretty damn stable these days) ... I think most people are getting a bloody bargain for the price and if people are buying it they deserve their profits.

I always calculate how expensive something is by how often I use it. I use Windows pretty much everyday so it pretty cheap if you think of it that way.

However I do think it sucks that there are editions that are deliberately gimped (I have home on my Asus Revo and I can't RDP into it).

Edited 2013-08-15 18:37 UTC

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RE[6]: Upgrade pricing
by Nelson on Thu 15th Aug 2013 19:00 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Upgrade pricing"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I don't think we need to argue this at all. Microsoft can charge whatever it wants for Windows and their software.

Microsoft is a publically traded corporation, maximizing shareholder value comes with the territory.

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RE[7]: Upgrade pricing
by lucas_maximus on Thu 15th Aug 2013 19:06 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Upgrade pricing"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I know.

But compared to the costs of some extremely crap software I am forced to use in the industry I work in ... I don't think people know how nice Microsoft is compared to these 3rd party suppliers.

For example, we recently got told by the 3rd party that "they didn't have to justify the cost", the changes were CSS background colors on a table and it was a 4 figure sum.

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RE[4]: Upgrade pricing
by woegjiub on Thu 15th Aug 2013 13:57 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Upgrade pricing"
woegjiub Member since:
2008-11-25

I'm not saying it's not worth that; merely that for the limited use I have for it, the value is extremely poor.

I run linux and it serves me well. I only need windows because other people do.

The price when it's bundled, and the discount upgrade price show that MS can get away with charging as little as apple do for the releases.

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RE[4]: Upgrade pricing
by tylerdurden on Thu 15th Aug 2013 17:58 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Upgrade pricing"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17


But there is a reason why commercial software costs what it costs and open source software requires subscriptions/consulting to be profitable.



so what's the reason?

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RE[5]: Upgrade pricing
by moondevil on Thu 15th Aug 2013 18:20 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Upgrade pricing"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

I guess you like to skip paragraphs.

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RE[6]: Upgrade pricing
by tylerdurden on Thu 15th Aug 2013 19:06 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Upgrade pricing"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

not really, my likes include cuddling, long walks on the beach at sunset, and a good red wine with my steak. I also like "reasons" to be actually mentioned directly when they're brought to an argument. I know, I'm weird like that.

Edited 2013-08-15 19:23 UTC

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RE[7]: Upgrade pricing
by lucas_maximus on Thu 15th Aug 2013 19:38 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Upgrade pricing"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I also like "reasons" to be actually mentioned directly when they're brought to an argument. I know, I'm weird like that.


They should be obvious to anyone that works in the industry like you claim to do so.

So either you are incompetent of you're are lying.

Edited 2013-08-15 19:38 UTC

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RE[6]: Upgrade pricing
by Nelson on Thu 15th Aug 2013 23:13 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Upgrade pricing"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

He likes to play dumb. Its clear to apparently everyone but him what moondevil meant, especially considering its in his original comment.

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RE[4]: Upgrade pricing
by Fergy on Fri 16th Aug 2013 07:15 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Upgrade pricing"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Really? For how much would you sell software?

Lets say a software house that has 5 developers earning 1500 € per month, a secretary earning 1000 € and renting an office space for 800€ a month.

That is a monthly expense of 9300€, disregarding taxes, electricity and other additional costs.

The OEMs pay $30 so why make consumers pay for 5 licenses? And what do you think Windows 8 cost to make?

Playing the poor developer card when talking about Microsoft...

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RE[3]: Upgrade pricing
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 15th Aug 2013 14:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Upgrade pricing"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Save $50, use the OEM version. I have that I have to have a copy for testing purposes, but I do...

Edited 2013-08-15 14:24 UTC

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Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Thu 15th Aug 2013 04:31 UTC
MOS6510
Member since:
2011-05-12

I'm still playing around with Windows 8. There is a lot to like (and not to like).

When people promote Windows 8 or Windows Phone apparently the Live Tiles are often named the killer feature.

Personally I think they are overrated.

In Windows 8 you only see them on the Start screen. I.e. when your not using your computer for anything. When you do use your computer you don't see any live tiles.

I guess you can stop doing what you are doing and visit your live tiles. But then I have a living Facebook tile, I see a post from someone, but I only see part of it. So I click on it, the Facebook application launches and his post is nowhere to be seen. Not even by scrolling way down.

In fact a number of tiles provide partial information, useless information or both. I'm not even sure about some if I need to start the application first for it so show any or current information or not.

My WP7 phone is even worse as Live Tiles often don't update (correctly).

I'd rather have a Status screen than a Start screen. A screen containing pointers at all unread messages, the weather, todo, calendar, eBay stuff, application updates, etc... Just a screen with info, not a mix of live tiles (that are mostly useless) and dead tiles to make it more messy.

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by Janvl on Thu 15th Aug 2013 11:08 UTC in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
Janvl Member since:
2007-02-20

I use Linux as my main desktop but also Windows 8. Both are quite functional and very usable.
Just that metro and desktop is a double gui in Win8 no clear choice is made.

Considering that windows runs about 7 to 8 years it is not that expensive, especially bought with a new pc.

One chooses his OS based on the software one wants to run, not the other way around.
The only OS I find crippled is android (IOS probably too), not getting root-access as default is unprofessional.

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by Nelson on Thu 15th Aug 2013 13:03 UTC in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


In Windows 8 you only see them on the Start screen. I.e. when your not using your computer for anything. When you do use your computer you don't see any live tiles.


The scenario is glanceable information which invites you back into the app, not an end all be all dashboard of information. That'd be cognitive overload. Its just enough to get the user to come back. It drives engagement.


I guess you can stop doing what you are doing and visit your live tiles. But then I have a living Facebook tile, I see a post from someone, but I only see part of it. So I click on it, the Facebook application launches and his post is nowhere to be seen. Not even by scrolling way down.


That's strange, using the Official WP Facebook app? Mine goes straight to my notifications and right to the post. It used to be hit or miss, but Facebook's since made it much more reliable.


In fact a number of tiles provide partial information, useless information or both. I'm not even sure about some if I need to start the application first for it so show any or current information or not.


Its at the discretion of the developer and the application must be run at least once for Live Tiles to become enabled as they need to set up a background task, push notification channel, or both.

The problem being that some developers go all out and use a Live Tile to complement their service. Meaning they actively push to the client.

Others do Live Tiles via periodic background tasks which poll a service or an RSS feed every 15 minutes.

Anther wrench in the mix is that battery saver stops all Live Tile/Toast notifications (If they're from a service the MSPN queues them up) to save battery life.

Then of course there could always be a bug in how the specific developer implements notifications.


My WP7 phone is even worse as Live Tiles often don't update (correctly).


Live Tile reliability on WP7 had issues at times. WP8 has greatly improved on this.

Windows 8 is generally excellent with Tile Reliability and developers have more options on when to update them (System Triggers like connectivity changes, session begin, session end, etc.)

Microsoft is also lowering barriers to entry by providing free Cloud Computing for developers and creating a strongly typed API over the Notifications (Which are just XML payloads) and scaling them out across the Azure Cloud (Notification Hubs).

WP8 also includes more templates for Live Tiles which makes it easier to integrate with the OS. Same with W8 and to a greater extent 8.1

Its a lot better than it used to be, but there's still room for improvement.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Thu 15th Aug 2013 14:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

It's the Windows 8 Facebook app.

If I see a message I expect to be taken to it when I click on it. Instead it launched the application and takes you right to the top and the latest posts.

I haven't checked if it's possible to change the info the title displays. Partial random posts aren't that interesting and they keep coming back. I'd rather have information about notifications, but I'm not sure if you are in a position to make that happen.

After an update another app, Code Writer, now displays the file you've got open on its live tile. I found that rather clever and convenient.

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RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510
by Nelson on Thu 15th Aug 2013 16:02 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

It's the Windows 8 Facebook app.

If I see a message I expect to be taken to it when I click on it. Instead it launched the application and takes you right to the top and the latest posts.


Windows 8 doesn't have an Official Facebook app, though one is in development. Which one are you speaking of? If its an unofficial app, well then YMMV with Live Tiles.

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RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Thu 15th Aug 2013 16:08 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

It's Facebook Touch from... FBTouch.

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RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510
by Nelson on Thu 15th Aug 2013 17:43 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Yeah, that's not official at all and in fact very bad.

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v So?
by crhylove on Thu 15th Aug 2013 04:53 UTC
RE: So?
by MOS6510 on Thu 15th Aug 2013 06:11 UTC in reply to "So?"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I agree. Thom should only post news about Linux (Mint).

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RE[2]: So?
by shotsman on Fri 16th Aug 2013 05:48 UTC in reply to "RE: So?"
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

WTF?
There are better Linux Distro's so why only Mint? Perhaps that is what you use?
Of well, at least it isn't that 'brown/earthy coloured' thing.

{Back to recompiling Gentoo from scratch...}

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RE[3]: So?
by WereCatf on Fri 16th Aug 2013 06:25 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: So?"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Uh, I'm just gonna throw you a bone here and let you in on a secret: MOS6510's comment was...sarcastic.

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RE[4]: So?
by MOS6510 on Fri 16th Aug 2013 07:29 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: So?"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I may or may not have been, it kind of depends if Linux Mint really is better than anything else on the planet and I have no idea as I've never used it. :-p

The logic is rather well, amusing would be the word? To stop posting any news of anything else but a single product, because that product is the best. Even if it is it still doesn't make sense.

It's a bit like me, a basketball fan, going to a sports site and commenting under non-basketball news that they should stop doing it because any other sport sucks.

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RE: So?
by moondevil on Thu 15th Aug 2013 08:27 UTC in reply to "So?"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

And yet my Ubuntu distribution update from around April borked the wireless driver that now only works with IPv6 routers. This issue is yet to be fixed by Canonical.

Windows 7 installation talks to whatever router wants to speak with it.

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RE: So?
by Drumhellar on Thu 15th Aug 2013 08:49 UTC in reply to "So?"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

I've been on Linux Mint for years already. Windows is inferior to many, many Linux distros now in every way. This is a snoozer of an article at this point.


Really? In every way?

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RE[2]: So?
by mistersoft on Thu 15th Aug 2013 10:35 UTC in reply to "RE: So?"
mistersoft Member since:
2011-01-05

Feeders.

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RE: So?
by Ultimatebadass on Thu 15th Aug 2013 10:31 UTC in reply to "So?"
Ultimatebadass Member since:
2006-01-08

"How do you know if someone's a linux user?"
"They'll tell you."

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RE[2]: So?
by res0r9lm on Sat 17th Aug 2013 23:17 UTC in reply to "RE: So?"
res0r9lm Member since:
2013-08-13

They can spell their last name

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RE: So?
by miguelholandes on Thu 15th Aug 2013 10:56 UTC in reply to "So?"
miguelholandes Member since:
2013-02-07

I tried the latest version of Mint. Could not get Skype to work right, and my translation software does not work at all on it. conclusion: looks nice, but simply does not do what it has to do. Next!

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RE[2]: So?
by moondevil on Thu 15th Aug 2013 13:21 UTC in reply to "RE: So?"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

That is my current approach to GNU/Linux and other alternative OSs.

Started with Slackware back in 1995 with the Linux 1.0.9 kernel and used most of the well know distributions since them. I even bought a few of them.

Nowadays life has other priorities and I don't have any longer the patience nor the time to waste hours tinkering a system to work on a laptop.

Either it works out of the box, or it is dumped right away.

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RE[3]: So?
by lucas_maximus on Thu 15th Aug 2013 18:30 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: So?"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Exactly how I feel, I used to buy OpenBSD CDs and merchandise to support the project. But I just don't have time and in my area most of the jobs are either C# or Java.

Oh and Gnome 3 isn't as bad as everyone makes out.

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RE: So?
by Soulbender on Thu 15th Aug 2013 13:30 UTC in reply to "So?"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Good for you, no-one cares and this item is not about how awesome Linux is.

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RE: So?
by WereCatf on Thu 15th Aug 2013 13:38 UTC in reply to "So?"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

I've been on Linux Mint for years already. Windows is inferior to many, many Linux distros now in every way. This is a snoozer of an article at this point.


I've been on mint chocolate for years already. Linux is inferior to many, many chocolate-flavors now in every way. Yours is a snoozer of a comment at this point.

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RE[2]: So?
by Tuishimi on Thu 15th Aug 2013 18:02 UTC in reply to "RE: So?"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

What a delicious name for an operating system.

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RE[3]: So?
by WorknMan on Thu 15th Aug 2013 18:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: So?"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

What a delicious name for an operating system.


Yeah, unlike some other flavors of Unix, I can actually pronounce it ;)

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Details
by tylerdurden on Thu 15th Aug 2013 20:12 UTC
tylerdurden
Member since:
2009-03-17

Any details on how the changes to the desktop mode will affect some of the utilities some people (like me) are using to make up for things like the missing start button? Or do these utils have to be updated to accommodate the changes?

Also, are the new device protocol APIs restricted to metro-land, or generic?

Edited 2013-08-15 20:15 UTC

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RE: Details
by Nelson on Thu 15th Aug 2013 23:18 UTC in reply to "Details"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

The new HID APIs in 8.1 look to be Windows Store only. However this may change before release. During Win8 RC to RTM a few more APIs got the green light for Desktop use.

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RE[2]: Details
by tylerdurden on Fri 16th Aug 2013 00:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Details"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

OK. That makes sense, I guess MS is going to push the app store mode real hard from now on. (Those APIs were, to me at least, the more exciting part of the update).

How is MS enforcing the segregation?

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RE[3]: Details
by Nelson on Fri 16th Aug 2013 00:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Details"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

OK. That makes sense, I guess MS is going to push the app store mode real hard from now on. (Those APIs were, to me at least, the more exciting part of the update).

How is MS enforcing the segregation?


I couldn't find an article or comment online, but the last person I talked to said that the protections in place were pretty naive (iirc described in the metadata format) and possibly easily worked around.

However the behavior in that case was undefined as some APIs may just work, and some may not. From what I could gather some teams made the decision to exclude Desktop support more political than technical, unfortunately.

http://www.pitorque.de/MisterGoodcat/post/Windows-8-Using-WinRT-API...

Shows how to get the ball rolling on consuming WinMD files from a Desktop project. I never tried to access any of the non-Desktop WinRT APIs though. Worth a shot.

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Pertinent
by _txf_ on Thu 15th Aug 2013 22:49 UTC
_txf_
Member since:
2008-03-17

I think this is quite pertinent to the 8.1 release:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/06/28

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Comment by tomchr
by tomchr on Fri 16th Aug 2013 10:50 UTC
tomchr
Member since:
2009-02-01

Fcuk the 8.1 pseudo-bait-and-switch update. Seems that Microsoft is determined to flush money down the toilet. Ballmer, Larson-Green et al. are frustratingly incompetent.

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