Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Sep 2013 23:12 UTC
Microsoft

With this release we've created a modern Bing.com experience - one that is faster, cleaner and more visually appealing. We believe that search can be beautiful as well as functional and efficient. With that as our goal, we evaluated fonts, spacing, color, visual scan patterns, the search box and even the underlying code.

My problem with this and recent moves by Google: when I do a regular search, I do not want my search results to be spammed by news, picture, and video results. Bing seems to follow in Google's footsteps by adding irrelevant crap to search results for the sake of looking cool, but at the cost of usability.

I mean, check this screenshot. How much of the page is reserved for actual search results, and not pictures, info boxes, news items, and god knows what else?

Exactly: none.

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User Engagement
by Jbso on Wed 18th Sep 2013 00:11 UTC
Jbso
Member since:
2013-01-05

The problem, of course, is that Google and Microsoft want you to think of Google Search/Bing as destinations in their own right, rather than a means to an end. That's why they insist on adding tons of "content". It's understandable why they would want this, but as you say, clearly no thought about what users want in search engine.

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RE: User Engagement
by ssokolow on Wed 18th Sep 2013 00:38 UTC in reply to "User Engagement"
ssokolow Member since:
2010-01-21

Bit of an irony.

Didn't Yahoo! lose to Google back in the early days because they were trying the exact same kind of nonsense Google and Bing are now doing?

Edited 2013-09-18 00:39 UTC

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RE[2]: User Engagement
by benytocamela on Wed 18th Sep 2013 07:38 UTC in reply to "RE: User Engagement"
benytocamela Member since:
2013-05-16

Nonsense, if you go to google.com you are still greeted with a rather clean and spartan white page, not with a web-site-as-an-aggregate mess.

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RE[3]: User Engagement
by moondevil on Wed 18th Sep 2013 12:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: User Engagement"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Until you search for anything that is.

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RE[4]: User Engagement
by Novan_Leon on Wed 18th Sep 2013 14:16 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: User Engagement"
Novan_Leon Member since:
2005-12-07

But in Google's case the "mess" is all directly related to your search, which is much more preferable.

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RE[4]: User Engagement
by darknexus on Wed 18th Sep 2013 14:41 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: User Engagement"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Until you search for anything that is.

Actually, I do get good search results with ddg, but you have to learn to be less verbose. It reminds me a bit of old Google, how any irrelevant word could skew your search results before they started filtering common words out of your search. E.g. If I'm searching for something specific such as an iOS 7 jailbreak, that's what I put into ddg. Not "how to jailbreak iOS 7" or "working jailbreak for iPhone 5S." Be specific, and direct to the point and you'll most often find what you're looking for quickly with it.
Of course, sometimes I can't use it as I do searches in both German and Swedish as well as English. For foreign language searches, ddg is absolutely useless at this point as it only handles English. Hopefully they'll expand to other languages in time. Until then, I do still have to go to Google for those.

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RE[5]: User Engagement
by Milo_Hoffman on Wed 18th Sep 2013 20:31 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: User Engagement"
Milo_Hoffman Member since:
2005-07-06

Hey! The results returned for those search terms are not very useful.

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RE[4]: User Engagement
by No it isnt on Wed 18th Sep 2013 15:45 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: User Engagement"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

I use Google a lot. Search for proper information, and get proper information. Search for Kate Perry, and get a bunch of spam. Seems like Bing works the same way, to be honest.

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RE[4]: User Engagement
by benytocamela on Wed 18th Sep 2013 16:14 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: User Engagement"
benytocamela Member since:
2013-05-16

... and then I get my results in a relatively well organized manner, with an unobtrusive sidebar of suggested products I could be interested in which I tend to ignore.

Bing is a bit more cluttered but not too bad either.


But I assume some of you won't be happy until either google or bing take you for a nice steak dinner and show you some good time out and around town before tucking you into bed, after typing a query.

Edited 2013-09-18 16:15 UTC

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RE[5]: User Engagement
by darknexus on Wed 18th Sep 2013 16:31 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: User Engagement"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

But I assume some of you won't be happy until either google or bing take you for a nice steak dinner and show you some good time out and around town before tucking you into bed, after typing a query.

Well, the first one to pay for a nice Sushi dinner will win my loyalty. ;)

Reply Score: 3

RE[2]: User Engagement
by REM2000 on Wed 18th Sep 2013 08:41 UTC in reply to "RE: User Engagement"
REM2000 Member since:
2006-07-25

i know it's a redundant reply, but i just scrolled down to make exactly the same comment. Yahoo got slammed for the crap they had on their pages.

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Comment by Drumhellar
by Drumhellar on Wed 18th Sep 2013 00:11 UTC
Drumhellar
Member since:
2005-07-12

I'd imagine most people searching for "Katy Perry" either want pictures or videos, and not a wiki article, and I'd imagine the same is true for any pop-culture icon. If you do a search for something else, it's much, much more results focused.

For example:
http://tinyurl.com/lp74ggv

Only problem is, It's impossible to tell which are sponsored links or not.

Reply Score: 9

It all starts with the "start page"
by softdrat on Wed 18th Sep 2013 01:18 UTC
softdrat
Member since:
2008-09-17

You only have one chance to make a good first impression.

Google's "start page' used to be very simple - just a text entry box. Over time it has acquired all sorts of irritating behavior - text box jumping around the screen, unrequested drop-down menus suggesting useless information and distracting from one's typing ... blech!

Bing has its own irritants - unwanted panoramic images, and now popup links to news articles. More blech!

A while ago I grabbed a snapshot of Google's start page when it was simple, and I have it bookmarked as my main page for search. Very predictable and peaceful. Irritation gone.

Regarding search results - as long as I can figure out what is paid advertising and what is a genuine search result, that's OK. On rare occassion I actually want those paid adverts ...

Edited 2013-09-18 01:21 UTC

Reply Score: 5

joekiser Member since:
2005-06-30

You only have one chance to make a good first impression.

Google's "start page' used to be very simple - just a text entry box. Over time it has acquired all sorts of irritating behavior - text box jumping around the screen, unrequested drop-down menus suggesting useless information and distracting from one's typing ... blech!

Bing has its own irritants - unwanted panoramic images, and now popup links to news articles. More blech!


While this is true, I can't think of the last time I actually went to Bing.com or Google.com and used the search page. All of the browsers I use either have a dedicated search box or allow you to search from the URL bar.

DDG is great at this; I have it as the default engine in my search bar, and use !g or !wiki for traditional searches, or !bimages since Bing is better at image results than Google.

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chrish Member since:
2005-07-14

Switched my homepage/search engine to Duck Duck Go a few weeks ago, love it. Search results are relevant again!

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Missing letter
by tomz on Wed 18th Sep 2013 01:39 UTC
tomz
Member since:
2010-05-06

Bing becomes Bling.

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RE: Missing letter
by shotsman on Wed 18th Sep 2013 08:52 UTC in reply to "Missing letter"
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

Welcome to the club. I've been using the term 'Bling' for several years.

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RE[2]: Missing letter
by Slambert666 on Wed 18th Sep 2013 09:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Missing letter"
Slambert666 Member since:
2008-10-30

I've been using the term 'Bling' for several years.

Well then you are not very smart... For Bing has been far less "Blingy" than Google for several years now...

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RE[3]: Missing letter
by HangLoose on Wed 18th Sep 2013 09:42 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Missing letter"
HangLoose Member since:
2007-09-03

ZING!

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RE[4]: Missing letter
by benytocamela on Wed 18th Sep 2013 16:17 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Missing letter"
benytocamela Member since:
2013-05-16

you misspelled "lame" ;-P

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Surprising
by CapEnt on Wed 18th Sep 2013 01:46 UTC
CapEnt
Member since:
2005-12-18

What came as a surprise to me is that MS is still trying...

Just imagine the kind of infrastructure that MS needs to keep Bing running just to remain irrelevant. It must cost millions per month.

Edited 2013-09-18 01:46 UTC

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RE: Surprising
by Nelson on Wed 18th Sep 2013 04:11 UTC in reply to "Surprising"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

And Bing spawned Azure which is a billion dollar venture. Investments pay off.

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"Designers"
by kwan_e on Wed 18th Sep 2013 02:09 UTC
kwan_e
Member since:
2007-02-18

With this release we've created a modern Bing.com experience ... beautiful as well as functional and efficient.


Then why didn't they just do the classic Google interface then?

Who knew design talk is always full of shit?

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RE: "Designers"
by some1 on Wed 18th Sep 2013 02:37 UTC in reply to ""Designers""
some1 Member since:
2010-10-05

Yeah, if they went back to the original Google's page that might've gotten a few extra users.

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RE: "Designers"
by chrish on Wed 18th Sep 2013 12:46 UTC in reply to ""Designers""
chrish Member since:
2005-07-14

The keyword is 'modern' as in shitty Windows 8 "Modern UI" style.

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RE[2]: "Designers"
by kwan_e on Thu 19th Sep 2013 10:25 UTC in reply to "RE: "Designers""
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

I think the keyword is actually "experience". When people use vague words and sprinkle them liberally, you know they're just trying to sound authoritative without being so.

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so which engine?
by bnolsen on Wed 18th Sep 2013 03:27 UTC
bnolsen
Member since:
2006-01-06

Okay...so which search engine currently sucks the least of the ones out there?

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RE: so which engine?
by sb56637 on Wed 18th Sep 2013 04:37 UTC in reply to "so which engine?"
sb56637 Member since:
2006-05-11

It depends on your criteria.

In the sense of the best search "engine" strictly speaking, nobody can hold a candle to Google. Its results are still uncannily relevant, thorough, and varied.

However, in terms of presentation of search results, I agree with others that Google has regressed considerably as of late. My personal pet peeve has to do with the link to cached results. It used to always be in the same horizontal location for all results. Now it requires clicking on a little down arrow that is immediately after the URL (which varies in length, so the location is no longer consistent) and then clicking on the popup menu item.

DuckDuckGo has a nice presentation, but its results, like those of Bing, still leave a lot to be desired. Google seems to be the only one that has figured out giving higher priority to the root index page of a top level domain instead of a random subpage as the first result.

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RE[2]: so which engine?
by moondevil on Wed 18th Sep 2013 12:21 UTC in reply to "RE: so which engine?"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

In the sense of the best search "engine" strictly speaking, nobody can hold a candle to Google. Its results are still uncannily relevant, thorough, and varied.


Except they aren't, because Google now takes into consideration your location, language and whatever else they use as input.

As result, as a polyglot person living abroad, I need to always change the Google domain, depending on what I am searching for.

For example, a search query in Germany will return different results than with the Portuguese version of Google.

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RE: so which engine?
by jgagnon on Wed 18th Sep 2013 11:40 UTC in reply to "so which engine?"
jgagnon Member since:
2008-06-24

I've been using DuckDuckGo for a long time now and have no regrets. About the only thing I go to Google for is image searching. I'll admit it took a few days to retrain my brain.

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Ads in results? That's the whole point.
by benali72 on Wed 18th Sep 2013 04:12 UTC
benali72
Member since:
2008-05-03

"I mean, check this screenshot. How much of the page is reserved for actual search results, and not pictures, info boxes, news items, and god knows what else?"


You miss the point. Search is merely an advertising opportunity. From Microsoft's view the results should be cluttered by as little actual content as possible.

It's only the <strike>suckers</strike> users who would want it otherwise.

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Comment by lucas_maximus
by lucas_maximus on Wed 18th Sep 2013 07:17 UTC
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

I really don't see what is wrong with that bing screenshot of a katy perry search. You probably would want to quick bio, a link to a few of her popular songs and where to buy them.

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Oh MS
by Ultimatebadass on Wed 18th Sep 2013 07:37 UTC
Ultimatebadass
Member since:
2006-01-08

"This function is not yet available in your country or region"

They never change.

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Now iOS apps look like Android
by dragos.pop on Wed 18th Sep 2013 08:12 UTC
dragos.pop
Member since:
2010-01-08

Is this just my opinion or iOS apps now try to mimic Android counter part.
The irony is that in the beginning it was the other way around, using custom buttons and other GUI elements just to mimic iOS on Android.

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dragos.pop Member since:
2010-01-08

Sorry, wrong news ;) . Ignore it.

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Just goto ...
by shotsman on Wed 18th Sep 2013 08:55 UTC
shotsman
Member since:
2005-07-22

http://www.bing.com/blogs/

Says it all really

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Unlucky Screenshot
by RobG on Wed 18th Sep 2013 13:10 UTC
RobG
Member since:
2012-10-17

Funny, when I do exactly the same search (which I wouldn't normally) I a couple screen's worth of search results on the first page. Successive pages almost entirely search results.

Maybe the problem is searching on a tablet or device without sufficient screen resolution to show more than the top few results.

Reply Score: 2