Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 28th Sep 2013 23:03 UTC
Google

So there you have it - ads are very likely going to be part of Gmail soon. After all, it seems almost silly to not monetize a core app with an absolutely massive install base - between 500 million and a billion. I just hope these ads won't be overly intrusive, and from the looks of things, the Gmail team is approaching the situation with care.

Ads on my Android Gmail application? Seriously, Google?

Alternatives?

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Comment by Drumhellar
by Drumhellar on Sat 28th Sep 2013 23:32 UTC
Drumhellar
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2005-07-12

Alternatives?


Any IMAP capable email client ought to work, such as what's found on Windows Phone ;)

Edited 2013-09-28 23:32 UTC

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RE: Comment by Drumhellar
by B.Jay on Sat 28th Sep 2013 23:41 UTC in reply to "Comment by Drumhellar"
B.Jay Member since:
2011-01-01

^-- This! Install something like K-9 Mail (OpenSource, Freeware, available from the Play Store) and access Gmail via IMAP (for as long as Google doesn't decide to pull the plug on IMAP because it won't annoy us with 'precious' ads).


On another note:

That somehow is now only just the next "let's totally wreck the user experience" incident in Google's ongoing mission to rid themselves of the little-to-less reputation they still have.

First they went after "Talk" and replaced it with "Hangouts" (which is still totally unusable even in its latest release version) because XMPP/Jabber seems to be too good for us.

Then they wrecked the "Maps" UI with version 7.x.x.

Then they came up with the Gmail app which sorts into categories - and at the same go wrecked the Gmail web interface with the tabs and the new editor.

Now it seems we well better prepare for ad-ware infested Google apps on our Androids.

Seriously Google?

I guess with the stable release of CM10.2 for my device I'll skip the GApps altogether - Google is on a fast downhill slope IMO.

Edited 2013-09-28 23:43 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar
by sb56637 on Sun 29th Sep 2013 01:02 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Drumhellar"
sb56637 Member since:
2006-05-11

[...]access Gmail via IMAP (for as long as Google doesn't decide to pull the plug on IMAP because it won't annoy us with 'precious' ads).


This is what I fear will happen. I don't know what I'll do when they inevitably disable IMAP access. I wonder how many Gmail users actually use IMAP? I almost never use gmail.com and therefore I never click on their ads...

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RE[3]: Comment by Drumhellar
by moondevil on Sun 29th Sep 2013 05:46 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

When at home, or via a private laptop I tend to use Thunderbird with IMAP access.

The web interface is only when at work, or some cyber-cafe when travelling.

However it wouldn't surprise me, if Google disables it.

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RE[3]: Comment by Drumhellar
by B.Jay on Sun 29th Sep 2013 21:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar"
B.Jay Member since:
2011-01-01

This is what I fear will happen.


I'm glad to see I'm not the only that is worried about a possible IMAP access riddance.

I don't know what I'll do when they inevitably disable IMAP access. I wonder how many Gmail users actually use IMAP?


I also have no idea about what to do IF they decide to pull the plug on IMAP. It doesn't look entirely unlikely that it could happen.

Anyway, since Google released the new Gmail editor (for me it was before they came up with the "Tabs") I switched over to IMAP on the desktop - still using the Gmail app on Android with that useless "Tabs" turned off because I miss lots of email notifications if that crap is turned on.

I almost never use gmail.com and therefore I never click on their ads...


I used the browser-based Gmail frontend, on the desktop, since "Day 1" up to the "betterfication" of the editor just because Thunderbird wasn't quite there back in the days.

As for the "clicking on ads": What ads? ;)
I simply banned them off the screen by using a custom ABP rule simply because I never came across any useful ad at all.

On a second thought (didn't read the whole comments yet, so please forgive me if it already got mentioned): Maildroid (Payware app) is also quite great on Android.

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RE[3]: Comment by Drumhellar
by Andre on Mon 30th Sep 2013 17:27 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar"
Andre Member since:
2005-07-06

If that happens I say "bye bye google!"

I've heard Outlook.com recently added IMAP. So there are alternatives if one wants a "free" email address with IMAP support.

And basically, the fact Microsoft has added IMAP would make it an illogical move for Google to remove it from their service, as that could cause a move of their users to the competitor.

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RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar
by ezraz on Mon 30th Sep 2013 13:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Drumhellar"
ezraz Member since:
2012-06-20


First they went after "Talk" and replaced it with "Hangouts" (which is still totally unusable even in its latest release version) because XMPP/Jabber seems to be too good for us.

Now it seems we well better prepare for ad-ware infested Google apps on our Androids.

Seriously Google?




1 - We use hangouts just about every day, have our dev meeting with 6-12 people spread around the world, and works like a charm. Cross-platform, quick, and free. No complaints here.

2 - Google is an advertising company. Google is an advertising company. Google is an advertising company. How many times can people ignore this? Android is just another advertising platform that is also a mobile OS, similar to a browser add-on. That's why there is so much extra, buggy crap installed by every brand maker.

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RE: Comment by Drumhellar
by Dr-ROX on Sat 28th Sep 2013 23:44 UTC in reply to "Comment by Drumhellar"
Dr-ROX Member since:
2006-01-03

k9mail for Android looks best for me and I'm using it for all my emails. Just use the latest versions from their website https://code.google.com/p/k9mail/downloads/list or better use Fdroid open source application store. They tend to provide latest versions. k9mail on Google Play is usually outdated.

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RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar
by B.Jay on Sat 28th Sep 2013 23:48 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Drumhellar"
B.Jay Member since:
2011-01-01

They tend to provide latest versions. k9mail on Google Play is usually outdated.


That is not correct.

The K-9 Mail app published on the Play Store is the latest _STABLE_ version of the app. On Google Code you can download any development release to play around with.

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RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar
by lemur2 on Sun 29th Sep 2013 08:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Drumhellar"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

k9mail for Android looks best for me and I'm using it for all my emails. Just use the latest versions from their website https://code.google.com/p/k9mail/downloads/list or better use Fdroid open source application store. They tend to provide latest versions. k9mail on Google Play is usually outdated.


Link for K-9 Mail on F-Droid:

https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=email&fdid=com.fsck....

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RE: Comment by Drumhellar
by riha on Mon 30th Sep 2013 15:53 UTC in reply to "Comment by Drumhellar"
riha Member since:
2006-01-24

The Mail app in iOS works fine as well, hmm, cannot find it in Google AppStore, what a shame ;-)

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RE: Comment by Drumhellar
by bassbeast on Tue 1st Oct 2013 07:28 UTC in reply to "Comment by Drumhellar"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Don't use Gmail or other Google software products on your Android?

I really don't know why more folks don't walk away from these companies when they start sticking it to ya, I too have an Android phone but after Google changed their privacy policy and start bugging me to tie everything into my Real-ID, even something as simple as watching a YouTube video? I deleted my Gmail info from my android phone, disabled sync, and started using the Yahoo Mail app instead.

As long as you come up with "work arounds" instead of refusing to be jerked around? These companies will continue to act like jerks. if you and many others just start using IMAP how long do you really think that IMAP will be allowed for "non premium" customers? After all you WILL take the abuse, you show them that by refusing to stop using their mail service, so why should they care whether you like it or not?

If Google wants to act like jerks and slam me with ads so they can pump up their quarterly earnings? While I may have no choice but to use an android phone (Both Apple and MSFT are trying to out do each other in lock in) that does NOT mean I have to use Google software on it! I am using Yahoo Mail, using Dolphin browser, using Bing search, the only Google software I use on my android besides the OS is Google Play and that I use sparingly. If you don't walk away when they treat you badly why should they stop doing so?

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You're kidding right???
by rafaelluik on Sun 29th Sep 2013 01:04 UTC
rafaelluik
Member since:
2010-10-06

Stop the nitpick for once! There's no free lunch!
Somebody works, somebody pays. You want everything for free and no ads? Common...

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RE: You're kidding right???
by kwanbis on Sun 29th Sep 2013 01:48 UTC in reply to "You're kidding right???"
kwanbis Member since:
2005-07-06

Totally agreed. They think Google is a nonprofit.

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RE[2]: You're kidding right???
by Hiev on Sun 29th Sep 2013 15:03 UTC in reply to "RE: You're kidding right???"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

Oh, but Google does profit from GMail, they scan email content to learn more from you and show you adds in other places.

Edited 2013-09-29 15:03 UTC

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RE: You're kidding right???
by dpJudas on Sun 29th Sep 2013 02:08 UTC in reply to "You're kidding right???"
dpJudas Member since:
2009-12-10

Stop the nitpick for once! There's no free lunch!
Somebody works, somebody pays. You want everything for free and no ads? Common...


Last time I checked I paid for my Android phone. So from my point of view I did pay money and I expect an ad-free mail app as part of the bargain.That is what I get if I buy an iPhone or a Windows Phone.

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RE[2]: You're kidding right???
by ichi on Sun 29th Sep 2013 02:50 UTC in reply to "RE: You're kidding right???"
ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

Last time I checked I paid for my Android phone. So from my point of view I did pay money and I expect an ad-free mail app as part of the bargain.That is what I get if I buy an iPhone or a Windows Phone.


And you get an ad free mail app called "mail".

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RE[3]: You're kidding right???
by Andre on Mon 30th Sep 2013 17:18 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: You're kidding right???"
Andre Member since:
2005-07-06

Which offers access to GMail through the IMAP protocol. And since I use other mail accounts as well, I use this to access my mail. I see no point of using two different apps to read my mail.

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RE[4]: You're kidding right???
by ichi on Mon 30th Sep 2013 17:37 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: You're kidding right???"
ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

So you can use the mail app to access all your mail accounts then, Gmail or not.

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RE[5]: You're kidding right???
by Andre on Mon 30th Sep 2013 17:43 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: You're kidding right???"
Andre Member since:
2005-07-06

As long as it supports either IMAP or POP

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RE[2]: You're kidding right???
by leoplan2 on Sun 29th Sep 2013 03:31 UTC in reply to "RE: You're kidding right???"
leoplan2 Member since:
2011-10-23

Tell that to Microsoft. You bought a Windows 8 license or a Windows 8 machine and you have ads even on stock apps ...

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RE[2]: You're kidding right???
by leos on Sun 29th Sep 2013 03:43 UTC in reply to "RE: You're kidding right???"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

"Stop the nitpick for once! There's no free lunch!
Somebody works, somebody pays. You want everything for free and no ads? Common...


Last time I checked I paid for my Android phone. So from my point of view I did pay money and I expect an ad-free mail app as part of the bargain.That is what I get if I buy an iPhone or a Windows Phone.
"

Yes but you paid less. Apple makes their profit on hardware. Their business depends on high user satisfaction, so that people will be willing to pay a premium for the devices. There is no need (and in fact would be counterproductive) to put advertising into core apps because that would drive people away from the platform.

Google makes money on advertising. After all, how much money could they possibly be making by selling something like the Nexus 4 for $200? So you buy the hardware, but you are only covering their costs. They make money from you in retrospect with advertising.

Edited 2013-09-29 03:44 UTC

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RE[2]: You're kidding right???
by JAlexoid on Sun 29th Sep 2013 11:49 UTC in reply to "RE: You're kidding right???"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

GMail is not just an app... it's a service that you have probably have not paid for.

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RE: You're kidding right???
by wocowboy on Sun 29th Sep 2013 10:02 UTC in reply to "You're kidding right???"
wocowboy Member since:
2006-06-01

OK, then sell us a version of the application with NO ads. $1, $5, $100, or $1000, whatever you think it is worth to not have to deal with ads at all. Some of us will pay for it. I want NO ads, in ANY software I use, so give me the option of paying a price for that privilege and I will gladly oblige. Don't just make it a requirement that I must deal with ads forevermore to use the application. Not everyone will want to pay, and that is fine, but at least give the option. I do not expect software to be free, I appreciate the work that has gone into creating it and I am willing to pay for it, but ads are NOT the price I want to pay.

Edited 2013-09-29 10:07 UTC

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RE[2]: You're kidding right???
by lemur2 on Sun 29th Sep 2013 12:22 UTC in reply to "RE: You're kidding right???"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I want NO ads, in ANY software I use


For Android, look here:

https://f-droid.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-Droid

F-Droid is a software repository (or "app store") for Android applications; it functions similarly to the Google Play store, but only contains free and open-source software. The apps can be browsed and installed from the F-Droid website or directly from the F-Droid client app (which is not available in the Google Play store, but can be installed by sideloading). The F-Droid client app will automatically update installed F-Droid apps. The website also offers the source code of all applications for download. F-Droid does not require users to sign up and by default hides applications that contains "anti-features" such as advertising, user tracking or dependence on non-free software.

F-Droid client app screenshot: https://f-droid.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/fshotnew2.png

Edited 2013-09-29 12:27 UTC

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Ready for a new alternative
by asupcb on Sun 29th Sep 2013 01:49 UTC
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Member since:
2005-11-10

I hope that something else comes along that can challenge Apple, Google, and Microsoft. Hopefully Jolla, Ubuntu/Canonical, or (really long shot) KDE can put up some kind of challenge. Maybe the security aspect can be pushed due to being Open Source and verifiable as not having backdoors. Canonical could become the new Blackberry since they have the beginnings of the underlying application, cloud, and Enterprise support necessary to provide a secure but open environment.

Who knows maybe KDE Plasma Active on OpenBSD could be made to work?

The biggest challenge that I see most of these newcomers facing are the big players obscene patent war chests. Patents need to be done away with; or at the very least software patents.

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RE: Ready for a new alternative
by Radio on Sun 29th Sep 2013 08:32 UTC in reply to "Ready for a new alternative"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

Canonical? Ah! You're talking about the company who put an Amazon search lend in Ubuntu!

The problem is not patents as much as, you know, feeding the developers.

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RE: Ready for a new alternative
by woegjiub on Sun 29th Sep 2013 10:19 UTC in reply to "Ready for a new alternative"
woegjiub Member since:
2008-11-25

Define challenge.

If you run replicant with FDroid on your mobile, and any linux distribution on your PC, you can basically do anything.
There are great mail apps out there (Mutt, K9Mail, KMail, etc.), and replacements for most things.
Personally, I like KDE for the unified experience and customisability without sacrificing ease-of-use.
Until recently, I was using only console applications and AwesomeWM for most non-office/multimedia tasks though, and that works fine too.

Anything required for work that is windows/OSX specific can easily be run in a VM, with the actual workstation and all applications except those outliers running in Linux.

Your OS doesn't need to be dominant; just popular enough. Linux is that.

Edited 2013-09-29 10:23 UTC

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RE: Ready for a new alternative
by lucas_maximus on Mon 30th Sep 2013 18:33 UTC in reply to "Ready for a new alternative"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

OpenBSD have never been about a desktop. It can certainly be used as one without a doubt, but it never been every been marketed/presented that way.

In fact I that quite a few people that use it in production environments use OSX as a workstation for example.

Edited 2013-09-30 18:34 UTC

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Comment by pandronic
by pandronic on Sun 29th Sep 2013 05:14 UTC
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Member since:
2006-05-18

Ads on my Android Gmail application? Seriously, Google?

Alternatives?


Yes, pay billions to make your own damn mobile OS and then give it for free.

The nerve on some people.

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Roll Your Own.
by crhylove on Sun 29th Sep 2013 05:46 UTC
crhylove
Member since:
2010-04-10

The giant corporations can no longer be trusted. Build your own mail server. Use a raspberry pi, if you have to. Google is as evil as Apple now, and they should all rot in hell.

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RE: Roll Your Own.
by cmost on Sun 29th Sep 2013 14:08 UTC in reply to "Roll Your Own."
cmost Member since:
2006-07-16

The giant corporations can no longer be trusted. Build your own mail server. Use a raspberry pi, if you have to. Google is as evil as Apple now, and they should all rot in hell.


Drama queen much? Google has built its empire on ad revenue. Frankly anyone who is surprised by Google's move to place ads in Google mail for Android is naive. I purchased my Android device knowing full well that I would be subjected to advertisements in exchange for an open platform with many more hardware choices and at a much lower cost than Apple's iOS devices. Get over it.

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RE: Roll Your Own.
by Soulbender on Sun 29th Sep 2013 15:25 UTC in reply to "Roll Your Own."
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

The giant corporations can no longer be trusted


I wasn't aware there was ever a time when they could be.

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shoot i never used the gmail app!!
by missingxtension on Sun 29th Sep 2013 06:00 UTC
missingxtension
Member since:
2011-01-14

I always hate how when you sync with play, it also syncs with Gmail. I have always from the beginning used exchange and mail app. In the beginning as in windows mobile days. From a practical point, it doesn't automatically sync photos and all that baggage.
also the Gmail app could not zoom for a long time.
I don't like scrolling, or better yet chopping.
but google has managed to gimp exchange server, I would sometimes have Gmail and mail with xchange on at the same time and xchange was usually a little faster on receiving email. But on the recent Gmail builds I mist admit it was 50/50 which would pop up first.

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_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

I always hate how when you sync with play, it also syncs with Gmail.


You can turn off syncing of the individual google services under the sync options....

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Comment by Soulbender
by Soulbender on Sun 29th Sep 2013 06:18 UTC
Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

Ads on my Android Gmail application? Seriously, Google?


Yeah, that's exactly how I feel about the osnews ads.

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RE: Comment by Soulbender
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 29th Sep 2013 07:25 UTC in reply to "Comment by Soulbender"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You pay for OSNews?

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RE[2]: Comment by Soulbender
by Soulbender on Sun 29th Sep 2013 07:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Soulbender"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I don't pay for gmail either.

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RE[3]: Comment by Soulbender
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 29th Sep 2013 08:06 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Soulbender"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I pay for my phone. Android Gmail is part of that.

I doubt your phone was free.

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RE[4]: Comment by Soulbender
by Soulbender on Sun 29th Sep 2013 10:03 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Soulbender"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

You pay for your phone, not for gmail. Android's free ya know.
You could say that I paid for my computer and internet access and osnews is part of that so why should i see ads?

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RE[5]: Comment by Soulbender
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 29th Sep 2013 10:22 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Soulbender"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Except, that's not the case. OSNews is not installed on your phone. It is not part of your internet connection.

You'll have to come up with better argument than this.

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RE[6]: Comment by Soulbender
by Soulbender on Sun 29th Sep 2013 18:08 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Soulbender"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

You didn't buy your phone from Google, did you? No, you didn't and Google is a distinctly different company from the one who made your phone so you did not pay for Gmail.
Even if you DID buy it from Google GMail is still a different service, and not exactly critical to the usability of a *phone*, so you didn't "pay" for it.
The fact that GMail happen to be installed by default isn't really relevant.

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RE[5]: Comment by Soulbender
by Ithamar on Sun 29th Sep 2013 10:44 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Soulbender"
Ithamar Member since:
2006-03-20

You pay for your phone, not for gmail. Android's free ya know.


Yes, up to a point. Ever installed a clean AOSP build? No Gmail app in there, and if you want to ship the Google Apps with your build, you go through an extended vetting, of which the requirements are non-public, so we do no even know if Android *with* Google app is free...

Not even going to the FSF definition of free, which it will never be...

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RE[4]: Comment by Soulbender
by JAlexoid on Sun 29th Sep 2013 11:52 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Soulbender"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

You pay for GMail the service by paying for your phone!?!?!

GMail the app is free and is available to be installed on non-certified releases(see Cyanogen)

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RE[5]: Comment by Soulbender
by dpJudas on Sun 29th Sep 2013 13:30 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Soulbender"
dpJudas Member since:
2009-12-10

You pay for GMail the service by paying for your phone!?!?!

Yes, I do. In particular the mail app itself as it was pre-installed on my phone.

My Galaxy S2 was bought for $500. How the money was distributed is none of my problem. That is between Samsung, Google and the store where I bought it.

As part of that money exchange I have come to expect the pre-installed software to be ad-free, and some amount of free services included for a reasonable time period. This is what the competition has offered for decades now. If Google is not willing to offer me ad-free software I just might take my money elsewhere the next time!

GMail the app is free and is available to be installed on non-certified releases(see Cyanogen)

Completely irrelevant. As a typical end-user might reply: what the hell is Cyanogen? I bought my phone at *insert store name here* and it is a Samsung!

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RE[6]: Comment by Soulbender
by benytocamela on Sun 29th Sep 2013 18:24 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Soulbender"
benytocamela Member since:
2013-05-16

You did not bother to read the fine print when you purchased the product. What you bought is not an undefined product and service which you get to define based on your expectations and uninformed assumptions.

Just because you exchanged your hard earned money for a samsung product, it does not mean you should expect the CEO of the company to come to your house every day around noon to wash your dishes either.

The terms and conditions you agree when you sign up for a gmail account are between you and Google, not you and samsung.

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RE[5]: Comment by Soulbender
by lucas_maximus on Mon 30th Sep 2013 18:30 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Soulbender"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Gmail App and Gmail itself are like the rest of Google and is paid by the ads that they put into the interface and the information they harvest.

It isn't free and tbh I think it is surprising that it didn't already have ads in the Gmail App.

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RE[6]: Comment by Soulbender
by JAlexoid on Wed 2nd Oct 2013 10:46 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Soulbender"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Back to the point at hand - you don't pay for any services when you buy your phone(unless they are declared as "free" additional services)... no more than you would expect mobile network to give you free access to their service just because you paid for a phone.

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RE[4]: Comment by Soulbender
by Radio on Sun 29th Sep 2013 15:06 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Soulbender"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

I paid for my TV. I pay taxes for owning a TV. I pay for cable TV. And I am still seeing ads. And even if channels were ad-free, as soon as you see a sporting event you see ads. O the horror!

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RE[5]: Comment by Soulbender
by Soulbender on Sun 29th Sep 2013 15:24 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Soulbender"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

and in some cases this is a lot worse than ads in an app on your phone. Like those huge-ass billboards that lines roads and runs the landscape.

Edited 2013-09-29 15:24 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Soulbender
by leos on Sun 29th Sep 2013 17:19 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Soulbender"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

I pay for my phone. Android Gmail is part of that.

I doubt your phone was free.


C'mon Thom. You understand the advertising model.
You have paid for your phone, and you can reasonably expect that you won't see an ad on the launcher, but you have not paid for the Gmail service, and so you get ads.
That Google would push harder to monetize Android once it took over the market was obvious from the start. Just like Facebook started out with a very clean mobile app free of ads and now they integrate ads into your news feed.

Edited 2013-09-29 17:27 UTC

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RE: Comment by Soulbender
by aligatro on Sun 29th Sep 2013 07:33 UTC in reply to "Comment by Soulbender"
aligatro Member since:
2010-01-28

Time to disable gmail app auto-updates?


Yeah, that's exactly how I feel about the Osnews ads.


Except Osnews ads is the only income of the Osnews. While Google gets cut of every app sold in the play market and they get money from Android Manufacturers who wish to sell android devices with Google services.

Edited 2013-09-29 07:36 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by Soulbender
by Radio on Sun 29th Sep 2013 08:37 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Soulbender"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

Well, to be have and expose the complete picture, They don't have the same income but they don't have the same "outcome" either. Google has a shitload of employees, infrastructure, bandwidth costs, projects, R&D...

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RE[2]: Comment by Soulbender
by JAlexoid on Sun 29th Sep 2013 11:54 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Soulbender"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Google gets cut of every app sold in the play market

That revenue stream is barely self sustaining.

Android Manufacturers who wish to sell android devices with Google services

We don't know if they charge for Google services. CyanogenMOD certainly does not pay for their version.

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RE[3]: Comment by Soulbender
by aligatro on Sun 29th Sep 2013 16:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Soulbender"
aligatro Member since:
2010-01-28

"Google gets cut of every app sold in the play market

That revenue stream is barely self sustaining.

Android Manufacturers who wish to sell android devices with Google services

We don't know if they charge for Google services. CyanogenMOD certainly does not pay for their version.
"

"Barely sustaining" They take a freaking 30% cut from all sales. Also most free apps are monetized by Google ads.


CyanogenMOD DOESN'T come with Google apps, you have to download and install them after you install firmware.

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RE[4]: Comment by Soulbender
by leos on Sun 29th Sep 2013 17:23 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Soulbender"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21



"Barely sustaining" They take a freaking 30% cut from all sales. Also most free apps are monetized by Google ads.


"x equals y? Well that's preposterous x is a very large number!"

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RE[4]: Comment by Soulbender
by JAlexoid on Wed 2nd Oct 2013 10:40 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Soulbender"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Thanks for posting irrelevant data.
10%, 20% or any other number has no relevance when it does not generate profits, it does not generate profits.
What does CyanogenMOD's inclusion of Google apps have to do to support you assumption that Google charges for them?

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Comment by aligatro
by aligatro on Sun 29th Sep 2013 07:20 UTC
aligatro
Member since:
2010-01-28

double post.

Edited 2013-09-29 07:33 UTC

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Is there actually a good alternative?
by rklrkl on Sun 29th Sep 2013 07:47 UTC
rklrkl
Member since:
2005-07-06

A while back, I went around all the free e-mail clients on Android and was distinctly unimpressed with all of them (they all had annoyances that couldn't be configured away, which is usually the strength of Android apps).

I'm wondering if a Gmail apk of the last non-ad version can be extracted and used to keep ad-free (mind you, I also run Adblock Plus on Android, so it'll be interesting to see if that blocks the ads.

I did a similar thing with Google Currents - I have a pre-Dec 2012 apk with the old design of GC which is so much better than the latest GC (which frankly has an appalling UI) and I install that on my devices instead.

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your own mail
by Janvl on Sun 29th Sep 2013 08:53 UTC
Janvl
Member since:
2007-02-20

I do not understand why someone should want gmail.
For about € 10 (one time payment) and the cost of a domain (depends where) about € 8 to € 20 a year.
You can get 5 mail-accounts and 30 email-addresses, no adds, no google or whoever.
Run it with webmail and you do not even need a mailclient.

OK it is not free, but free from trouble.

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RE: your own mail
by rklrkl on Sun 29th Sep 2013 09:22 UTC in reply to "your own mail"
rklrkl Member since:
2005-07-06

There are quite a few reasons why people use Gmail:

* It's free.
* It has a Web interface.
* It has an app to go with it.
* It has a *lot* of free storage.
* It's unlikely to "go away" (e.g. Google go bust, get taken over, renamed etc.).
* High speed/availability due to Google Data Centres.
* You can set up as many accounts as you like if you're so inclined.
* It has pretty good spam filters.
* Supports IMAP should you want to avoid GMail's interface.
* Once you've got a Gmail account (and historically that was the first Google product with registration that most people used prior to Android), the same credentials work with all the other Google properties (especially the Play store if you're on Android).

I suspect the average user isn't going to hunt down a cheap mail hosting deal if they don't want GMail - they're more likely to pick a free mail competitor to GMail (MS, Yahoo etc.).

Edited 2013-09-29 09:23 UTC

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RE[2]: your own mail
by tkeith on Mon 30th Sep 2013 13:36 UTC in reply to "RE: your own mail"
tkeith Member since:
2010-09-01

Seriously, doesn't anyone remember what we had before Gmail? Remember 80mb limits? Gmail has ads forever, why should mobile be exempt? The internet runs off ads, just like TV, newspapers, ect. Get over it.

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RE: your own mail
by Delgarde on Sun 29th Sep 2013 20:28 UTC in reply to "your own mail"
Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

I do not understand why someone should want gmail.
For about € 10 (one time payment) and the cost of a domain (depends where) about € 8 to € 20 a year.
You can get 5 mail-accounts and 30 email-addresses, no adds, no google or whoever.
Run it with webmail and you do not even need a mailclient.

OK it is not free, but free from trouble.


Normal people don't run their own mail servers. Normal people don't even know what a mail server is. Yours is a solution for an infinitesimally small percentage of the smartphone-using population...

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I'm surprised it took them so long
by phti on Sun 29th Sep 2013 09:19 UTC
phti
Member since:
2012-06-02

This is what you get when you leave your e-mails to an advertising company. Considering how much evil Google has become, I'm surprised this didn't come out before, and most of all I'm surprised that their POP/IMAP service is still alive.

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Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

So evil. Like, evil like TV channels. Or evil like sporting events. Or evil like the local mayor who allows billboards. So, so evil.

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phti Member since:
2012-06-02

At least they don't have "don't be evil" as their own hypocritical motto.

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shotsman
Member since:
2005-07-22

Do we have to have Ads with everything we do?
How long before the Ads send their serving details to the NSA?

This all reminds me of an old SF story I read a long time ago. It was about the consumer society and how everything you bought had a finite lifespan and if you didn't replace it within that time not only would it stop working but your face (if I remember correctly) was posted on billboards as the latest 'anti-consumer'.
The sort of anthesis of 1984 in many ways.

I will continue to block ALL adverts when I use the internet. Whilst some people may find this as 'not playing the game', I am old enough to be able to make up my own mind about something. If I really want to spend some money no amount of advertising is going to persuade me to buy one thing over another. I will do research, ask questions and THEN make my own mind up.

Yes folks, I am a Grump Old man and not really high on may advertisers target market list so in reality they won't mind (well I hope so)

I do financially support a few web sites just to keep them running so blocking their ads is worth it in my opinion.
The other reason is that how can you trust those ads not to try to do nasty things to the system you are using? We can't. I am sure it won't be long before the NSA(or other security services) start hijacking ads and slurping our browser history (and other things if they can get away with it)
They won't catch many terrorists but they will get a lot of Porn splattered over their systems. Not a bad thing IMHO ;)

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Comment by drcouzelis
by drcouzelis on Sun 29th Sep 2013 10:46 UTC
drcouzelis
Member since:
2010-01-11

Alternatives?


I have never seen a single advertisement on my Nokia N900, including in the wb browser with adblock.

I'm hoping Jolla will continue this trend.

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Alternatives?
by The123king on Sun 29th Sep 2013 10:52 UTC
The123king
Member since:
2009-05-28

Get an iPhone.

Seriously. I bought a HTC One about a month ago to replace my aging sluggish iPhone 4. The HTC ads, unremoveable FB stream and lack of an "off" option for autocorrect (when i type "fine", don't change it to "fino", i'm not italian!!!) means its sat in its box waiting for me to get around to putting Cyanogenmod on it...

I thought i'd give Android a whirl, but HTC Sense ruined it for me. Maybe Cyanogenmod can redeem it, but with Google putting ads into everything, i might just sell both my phones and buy a 5S with the money :|

Edited 2013-09-29 11:08 UTC

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RE: Alternatives?
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 29th Sep 2013 11:33 UTC in reply to "Alternatives?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I am actually buying an iPhone 5S in the coming days. My contract renewal is up, so "free" phone.

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RE[2]: Alternatives?
by brichpmr on Sun 29th Sep 2013 13:30 UTC in reply to "RE: Alternatives?"
brichpmr Member since:
2006-04-22

I am actually buying an iPhone 5S in the coming days. My contract renewal is up, so "free" phone.



Lucky you! 5s is fairly awesome...

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RE: Alternatives?
by modmans2ndcoming on Sun 29th Sep 2013 18:24 UTC in reply to "Alternatives?"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

If you want to give Android a whir then you should have gone with a Nexus phone.

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Compail
by Arawn on Sun 29th Sep 2013 11:55 UTC
Arawn
Member since:
2005-07-13
Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Sun 29th Sep 2013 13:32 UTC
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

This isn't any different than the monetization going on by the various services within Microsoft. I'm frankly surprised that any of you are surprised by this. Google has been a services company longer than Microsoft.

There is no free lunch.

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Silly? Being Surprised.
by jared_wilkes on Sun 29th Sep 2013 13:46 UTC
jared_wilkes
Member since:
2011-04-25

After all, it seems almost silly to not monetize a core app with an absolutely massive install base - between 500 million and a billion.


It seems absolutely silly not to monetize a core app with an absolutely massive install base. The only thing sillier is thinking Google would't eventually.

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AquaMail!
by IndigoJo on Sun 29th Sep 2013 14:18 UTC
IndigoJo
Member since:
2005-07-06

I use AquaMail on my tablet for both my normal mail and GMail (to use *only* AquaMail, turn off the "sync" in GMail's settings; you can't delete the account). The premium (ad-free) version costs £3 (about $4-5) but you can have as many accounts as you like, including GMail. It's more flexible - you can set it to delete rather than "archive" emails you don't want, for example. If GMail starts having ads, I'll switch to AquaMail on my phone too (you can use it on as many devices as you like).

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Sparrow (Mac and iPhone)
by VManOfMana on Sun 29th Sep 2013 18:29 UTC
VManOfMana
Member since:
2006-11-01

I use Sparrow both on my Mac and iPhone. Works great with GMail's conversation-based workflow, and supports several feature like labels and the like.

Unfortunately they got bought out by Google right before they released the iPad version. It is now discontinued, but still available in the App Store(s) and still works great.

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Easy decision to ditch it
by sj87 on Mon 30th Sep 2013 06:52 UTC
sj87
Member since:
2007-12-16

Actually I began using the Gmail app just because it was a core app and it was always checking my email although I had configured the more generic Samsung's Mail app too. I couldn't find a way to disable it, so I just moved to the Gmail app and forgot about Mail.

Now that I use Cyanogenmod, it's quite easy for me to simply uninstall Gmail and get another generic mail app, that will also support other accounts. Win-win.

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Comment by ichi
by ichi on Mon 30th Sep 2013 07:12 UTC
ichi
Member since:
2007-03-06

As long as it works as the browser version it would just mean now you'd have two spam folders instead of one (and you should be able to opt-out as well).

Then again I haven't seen any of those ads from Gmail in my Promotions folder yet.

Edited 2013-09-30 07:15 UTC

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Squeaky mail
by isaba on Mon 30th Sep 2013 14:49 UTC
isaba
Member since:
2006-12-30

Squeaky mail is the answer.

I quote them from the Android Play store:

"This is an email client derived from the popular, open source application K-9 Mail. The main difference between the two is that Squeaky Mail integrates with PGP KeyRing, a crypto provider. If you are a user of PGP KeyRing, this email client will integrate seamlessly just as K-9 Mail does with APG. Both the trial and full versions are supported."

Edit: I had forgotten to mention that I have disabled the default Gmail app. Useless for me.

Edited 2013-09-30 14:50 UTC

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Comment by ishtar
by ishtar on Mon 30th Sep 2013 16:18 UTC
ishtar
Member since:
2013-07-30

Reason #893i75439853 to move away from gmail. Yes that i was on purpose.

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RE: Comment by ishtar
by SeeM on Mon 30th Sep 2013 16:53 UTC in reply to "Comment by ishtar"
SeeM Member since:
2011-09-10

Reason #893i75439853 to move away from gmail. Yes that i was on purpose.


You know, just do it. But if you don't like ads, move to a paid service.

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Tasteful Ads are a fair trade. But!
by curio on Mon 30th Sep 2013 18:26 UTC
curio
Member since:
2010-05-03

Tasteful, generic, non-intrusive advertising is a fair trade for offering either a service (such as mail) or news and information (such as here).
But! The precise moment they move from generic, context/venue based ads, to ads based on the all intrusive TRACKING of individual's habits, as it's Google's (and all the other filthy maggots who run trackers) want to do, they've gone too far. I'll never acquiesce.
Knowledge is power, so knowledge specific to you, is power over you. They don't need that power to offer you products.
That said, if all my fellow tech savvy types who are also capable of free and independent thought, are waiting for a point where the masses of asses will say when enough is enough on this totality of control and tracking front, you'll dry up and turn to dust (Apple's popularity is exhibit one). More likely, you as I, will continue to be dragged--kicking and screaming--into this surveillance state nightmare by the mechanism of the shrinking numbers of viable alternatives. This is by design. The "don't buy it or use it if you don't like it" excuse is only valid when there are alternatives that don't suck the same or more.
Seems as though "what sucks the least" choices are the hallmark of this new century.
Opt-Out while you still can.....

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Seriously?
by lucas_maximus on Mon 30th Sep 2013 18:53 UTC
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

There is no free lunch.

Don't like ads, buy your own mail domain (which costs next to nothing) and use one of the free mail apps for the phone platform.

Edited 2013-09-30 18:55 UTC

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