Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 21st Feb 2014 19:05 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

The Revolution is not only more powerful than most, but also a first-of-its-kind. Geeksphone MultiOS technology allows you to choose your operating system. Starting with Google Android operating system, you can seamlessly switch to Boot2Gecko by Mozilla, or any other community-supported flavor of an OS. You choose, and we will keep you updated thanks to our 1-click OTA system.

There are three reasons why this phone fascinates me. One, it is the first non-crappy device for Firefox OS, which I'm interested in, but never got into because I didn't want to waste money on underpowered hardware. This phone seems to solve that. Two, it's designed to provide dual-boot from the get-go, so you can truly run multiple ROMs. Three, it's an x86 phone, which fascinates me simply because it isn't ARM - and opens up possibilities of craziness like desktop operating systems on your phone.

It's also relatively cheap at EUR 222, which is almost doable as an impulse buy. I'm keeping my eye on this one.

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battery life
by stanbr on Fri 21st Feb 2014 19:37 UTC
stanbr
Member since:
2009-05-22

battery life?

Reply Score: 3

RE: battery life
by glarepate on Fri 21st Feb 2014 21:27 UTC in reply to "battery life"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

Good question.

Since it has an Atom processor and an LCD display it isn't likely to be one of the longest lasting handsets. I would guess that it will give 8 to 10 hours of medium duty service.

From the pictures on the web site it looks like a sealed battery. So hopefully it will be easy to replace it or they will have fast warranty/repair turnaround for a reasonable cost.

Aside from the electrical power usage: No mention of LTE, but at least is has HSxPA.

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Comment by elangelo
by elangelo on Fri 21st Feb 2014 19:47 UTC
elangelo
Member since:
2012-09-19

make it 720p and i'll buy it. qHD is so 2010...

Edited 2014-02-21 19:47 UTC

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What other operating systems?
by leech on Fri 21st Feb 2014 19:49 UTC
leech
Member since:
2006-01-10

Does this mean I could slap Debian Wheezy on it and use it as a phone? That's what I've personally been waiting for.

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Me too
by sb56637 on Fri 21st Feb 2014 20:13 UTC in reply to "What other operating systems?"
sb56637 Member since:
2006-05-11

Then I can run handy commands for dialing frequently used contacts like:

sh phone.sh --dial < cat /home/myself/contacts.txt | grep "John Doe" | sed -r 's/.+([0-9]{3})([0-9]{3})([0-9]{4}).+/\1-\2-\3/'

;-)

Edited 2014-02-21 20:14 UTC

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RE: Me too
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Fri 21st Feb 2014 20:27 UTC in reply to "Me too"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Then I can run handy commands for dialing frequently used contacts like:

sh phone.sh --dial < cat /home/myself/contacts.txt | grep "John Doe" | sed -r 's/.+([0-9]{3})([0-9]{3})([0-9]{4}).+/\1-\2-\3/'

;-)


Nah man, Debian is going to systemd now.

systemd-dial --person='John Doe'

Its great, it logs all the output for later playback, redials on disconnects, and performs all the features that we want from a modern init system phone dialer.

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Atom or Silvermont
by Carewolf on Fri 21st Feb 2014 20:05 UTC
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Member since:
2005-09-08

I seriously hope that is a Silvermont Atom and not an Atom Atom. Otherwise it will suck like its 2008.

God, I hate Intel decision to make their processor names generation ambigious.

Edit: 4 cores at 1.6Ghz should make it Silvermont Atom. Though it would have to be an underclocked Baytrail-T or the elusive Merrifield.

Edited 2014-02-21 20:20 UTC

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RE: Atom or Silvermont
by glarepate on Fri 21st Feb 2014 21:37 UTC in reply to "Atom or Silvermont"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

I seriously hope that is a Silvermont Atom and not an Atom Atom. Otherwise it will suck like its 2008.

God, I hate Intel decision to make their processor names generation ambigious.

Edit: 4 cores at 1.6Ghz should make it Silvermont Atom. Though it would have to be an underclocked Baytrail-T or the elusive Merrifield.


Web site says it's a dual core Z2560 @1.6 GHz. That's a Cloverview/Clover Trail 32 nm SOC.

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RE[2]: Atom or Silvermont
by Carewolf on Fri 21st Feb 2014 23:57 UTC in reply to "RE: Atom or Silvermont"
Carewolf Member since:
2005-09-08

"I seriously hope that is a Silvermont Atom and not an Atom Atom. Otherwise it will suck like its 2008.

God, I hate Intel decision to make their processor names generation ambigious.

Edit: 4 cores at 1.6Ghz should make it Silvermont Atom. Though it would have to be an underclocked Baytrail-T or the elusive Merrifield.


Web site says it's a dual core Z2560 @1.6 GHz. That's a Cloverview/Clover Trail 32 nm SOC.
"

I didn't know that existed. Looking it up. That is an original Atom Atom, and not a modern Silvermont, a chip that was slow and outdated when it was released in 2008. (though this model has four of those turd cores at double speed)

Edited 2014-02-21 23:59 UTC

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RE[3]: Atom or Silvermont
by glarepate on Sat 22nd Feb 2014 01:26 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Atom or Silvermont"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

Here's a [pretty limited] spec. sheet on it.

http://download.intel.com/newsroom/kits/mobileworld/2013/pdfs/Intel...

I also looked it up on Wikipedia.

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Me too
by sb56637 on Fri 21st Feb 2014 20:12 UTC
sb56637
Member since:
2006-05-11

[replied to wrong comment]

Edited 2014-02-21 20:13 UTC

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PowerVR graphics == don't buy
by aorth on Fri 21st Feb 2014 20:20 UTC
aorth
Member since:
2011-10-26

If this thing is using PowerVR graphics then forget about it! That will seriously kneecap your options for running custom OSes... Let's wait and see what the early adopters say!

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RE: PowerVR graphics == don't buy
by Carewolf on Fri 21st Feb 2014 20:22 UTC in reply to "PowerVR graphics == don't buy"
Carewolf Member since:
2005-09-08

It's worse. It is Intel graphics, not the new almost usable stuff they have in laptops now, but Intel graphics at its worst, the embedded kind.

Should be fine, great even for running Linux on as long as you don't mind bad performance.

Edited 2014-02-21 20:23 UTC

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Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

No, it's PowerVR graphics.

Specifically, dual-core PowerVR SGX 544MP2, clocked at 400MHz.

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Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Fri 21st Feb 2014 20:46 UTC
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

Apparently, Google isn't too keen on the Dual OS thing:
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20140221PB201.html

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brion
Member since:
2010-11-04

Geeksphone has a habit of selling out *really fast* (in fact my order was labeled as "backordered" within 5 minutes of the launch window opening), so I'll see if/when it comes. ;)

Looking forward to fiddling with it though -- Firefox OS is starting to look very cool in 1.4 dev master, which I've managed to get running on a Nexus 4 but it's not really an ideal configuration.

I've had *terrible* luck with the ZTE Open, which seems to be keeping their drivers proprietary and isn't currently compatible with the dev versions of Firefox OS. ;)


Honestly the biggest functional problem I've had with Firefox OS is that the mail client is very flaky and sometimes just gets stuck not loading messages. (On the low-end hardware it's also *very* hard to multitask as apps get paged out of memory aggressively, but if I could read and answer my email I'd be a much happier camper even on that ZTE Open.)

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Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

I've got a ZTE Open and I'm miffed that there's no official firmware updates and I'll have to spend 24 hours compiling Firefox OS myself to get anything better -- a prospect I'm not looking forward to.

Have you any advice / direction on what version of FFxOS I can run on it and what instructions I should use for compiling (there's lots of conflicting advice)

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curio Member since:
2010-05-03

I think ZTE Open Updated both Firefox OS versions (v1.0 & v1.1) 2014-01-20.
There also looks to have a downloadable driver pack Date: 2013-10-21.

There isn't a listing for the US ZTE Open.
You have to go to the UK listing, it has the US one too.

http://www.ztedevices.com/support/smart_phone/b5a2981a-1714-4ac7-89...

or backup to here for other locations.
http://www.ztedevices.com/support/selectproduct.html?type=software

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brion Member since:
2010-11-04

Somebody was making builds for the ZTE Open up to 1.3 and maybe even master (1.4) but had to hack up the boot partition and such...

Depending on how many of the official updates you've installed, you *may* be able to install the builds from https://github.com/diafygi/b2g_inari_nightly

However if you've installed the official 1.1 updates, it seems to break those.... sigh.

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_xmv Member since:
2008-12-09

i just compiled firefoxos according to instructions, it took 20min total (downloading + compiling)

granted ive a reasonably fast/recent machine with fast internet, but 24h.... that's a little exaggerating.

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thulfram Member since:
2013-10-11

If you want to know more about updating your ZTE Open to 1.2, I wrote a blog post about my adventures with the ZTE Open updates here: http://firefoxosgaming.blogspot.com/2014/02/zte-open-triumphant-gam....

I needed Firefox OS 1.2 so I could use App Manager to put apps on my phone and debug them. But I haven't been concerned with later builds yet.

My understanding is that if you want to build your own, Fedora 20 is a good way to go. I'll want to do that at some point, but right now I'm just too busy making apps and testing them.

Part of it depends on what you want to do. If you want the cutting edge, build nightly and slap it on your phone. Once you have your ZTE Open running Fastboot, it's easy to update with any later builds. But you need version 1.1 with Fastboot or you can't do much!

I still like the ZTE Open because it works and it is small. I'm also playing with the Geeksphone Peak and that also I updated to 1.2 (more easily) and has more memory!

I'll probably be getting the Revolution soon, but I have a VIA APC Rock which also runs Firefox OS that is calling to me, and I'll probably get a Firefox OS tablet when I come up for air.

I guess I am a hardware junkie. But aren't we all (at least at OS News)?

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Dual boot so sensed as a basic phone
by jebradl on Sat 22nd Feb 2014 14:35 UTC
jebradl
Member since:
2013-05-16

Now, if only a phone suppliers would create a phone that would dual boot to one that the service providers recognize only as a basic phone. I have wifi available all the time, and I don't want to pay an extra $30/month for data that I can get for free (even if it is slower than 4G).

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UEFI or BIOS would be a revolution
by pica on Sat 22nd Feb 2014 17:13 UTC
pica
Member since:
2005-07-10

I would call a fully open specified, Intel Atom based tablet or phone with plain vanilla standard UEFI or BIOS boot system a revolution.

Greetings,
pica

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25 dollar FirefoxOS smartphone
by Lennie on Tue 25th Feb 2014 23:11 UTC
Lennie
Member since:
2007-09-22

I know Thom isn't really interested in the low end, but for the third world markets it could finally start to replace all those feature phones:

http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/23/mozillas-partners-launch-new-firef...

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