Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 3rd Mar 2014 10:49 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

Homegrown mobile phone-maker Karbonn Mobiles is all set to launch dual-OS (operating system) devices, which will support both Android and Windows, by June.

The company has just signed the licence agreement with Microsoft to make Windows-based phones and will put this along with its existing Android system to bring out the dual-OS phones in about six months, the company's chairman Sudhir Hasija said.

I wonder what will happen if Google were to resort to the same illegal tactics that Microsoft used to force OEMs into not dual-booting BeOS back in the day.

In the end, I'm just filing this one under 'poetic justice'. Shoe's on the other foot now, Redmond.

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But… why?
by Beta on Mon 3rd Mar 2014 10:59 UTC
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2005-07-06

‘your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.’

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RE: But� why?
by Deviate_X on Mon 3rd Mar 2014 21:19 UTC in reply to "But… why?"
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2005-07-11

‘your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.’


Yep. This is yet another sign that more people need to be fired at MSFT.

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Microsoft lowering the bar?
by bitwelder on Mon 3rd Mar 2014 11:17 UTC
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"Microsoft has eased the regulations and is opening up its platform for other players."

That's an interesting bit of information.
I wonder why they do that only now... perhaps the platform wasn't attractive enough?

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RE: Microsoft lowering the bar?
by Morgan on Mon 3rd Mar 2014 11:53 UTC in reply to "Microsoft lowering the bar?"
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2005-06-29

My first thought was "Well, they have an Android phone with the Nokia X, I bet they are exploring dual booting themselves and don't want to be seen as hypocrites." But really, that doesn't make any sense; Microsoft has never cared about overt hypocrisy in the past.

I guess it's just all about the profits after all. They get royalties on Android installs, and licensing fees for WP. Double dipping at its finest.

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RE: Microsoft lowering the bar?
by glarepate on Mon 3rd Mar 2014 16:32 UTC in reply to "Microsoft lowering the bar?"
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2006-01-04

They do that only now because only now did any manufacturer agree to go along with them on it.

They tried to get HTC to do this last year. They proposed a low to no-cost license fee if they would offer dual OS phones. HTC told them no.

Karbonn has told them yes. So only now will it happen.

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Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Mon 3rd Mar 2014 12:44 UTC
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I once had a PC that was able to boot 6 different operating systems, which seemed like a cool thing to be able to do.

It turned out to be very inconvenient.

And I suspect it will be the same with a phone that needs to reboot to switch OS. In the end you prefer one of the operating systems. If you switch to the less preferred one there will be a lot of forced pulling you back to the system you like more. In the end you'll stick with one OS.

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by Alfman on Mon 3rd Mar 2014 14:18 UTC in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
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2011-01-28

MOS6510,

I once had a PC that was able to boot 6 different operating systems, which seemed like a cool thing to be able to do.

It turned out to be very inconvenient.

And I suspect it will be the same with a phone that needs to reboot to switch OS.



Granted, I don't understand why a normal user would want to do it. I guess maybe it'd be good for users who are undecided and want to try out both. But as a developer I really like the option. For that matter I'd really like the option to run multiple versions of the same OS, which would be pointless for users.

At least on our PC's it was fairly easy to configure our bootloaders however we wanted. Nowadays manufacturer imposed device restrictions really cramp the flexibility that we used to take for granted.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by ddc_ on Mon 3rd Mar 2014 15:09 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
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2006-12-05

So, users will have to either synchronize and store contacts, schedules, bookmarks, etc. on both OSs? It will increase network usage and risk of loosing data due to compatibility issues, as well as limit users to services that support both Android and Windows Phone. Or users will be locked into proprietary "solution" by vendor, and be even more limited in choice of backup.

Oh, and both OSs will report bogus mobile bandwidth data usage, rendering user's effort to avoid using pricy extra bandwidth futile.

Given that there's actually no compelling reason to use Windows Phone, this projects seems so pointless and harmful...

Edited 2014-03-03 15:12 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510
by Alfman on Mon 3rd Mar 2014 16:50 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510"
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ddc_,

So, users will have to either synchronize and store contacts, schedules, bookmarks, etc. on both OSs? It will increase network usage and risk of loosing data due to compatibility issues, as well as limit users to services that support both Android and Windows Phone. Or users will be locked into proprietary "solution" by vendor, and be even more limited in choice of backup.


Hmm, why did you direct this to me? I agree there would be lots of usability issues. I said "I DON'T understand why a normal user would want to do it."

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RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510
by ddc_ on Mon 3rd Mar 2014 18:40 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510"
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2006-12-05

By mistake. The comment was supposed to support and extend MOS6510's comment.

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RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Tue 4th Mar 2014 05:54 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510"
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I can now tell my friends that the nonsense I write on the Internet has support and even gets third party extensions. :-)

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RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 3rd Mar 2014 22:14 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Well, yes, I agree. Windows phone is pretty pointless.

However... if we can get phone hardware/software that has a standard way of dual booting, that would be a good thing.

There has been multirom for a while, but I couldn't figure out how to update android OTA with it ( it kept failing).

Ubuntu is doing something to allow dual booting between ubuntu phone and android.

And now this. Just wish a universally adopted standard would emerge that would allow everything to just work.

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RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510
by Alfman on Tue 4th Mar 2014 14:15 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510"
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2011-01-28

Bill Shooter of Bul,

Ubuntu is doing something to allow dual booting between ubuntu phone and android.

And now this. Just wish a universally adopted standard would emerge that would allow everything to just work.



After all the bad press MS subjected itself to by contractually demanding that windows resellers lock users out of bootloaders on ARM UEFI devices, it's not really clear to me that _this one_ will come with an unlocked bootloader. It may be restricted into dual booting the factory pre-configured operating systems and nothing else.

So my question is whether, in addition to dual booting, this will install open or homebrew operating systems? It'd be great if anybody who knows for sure could speak up!

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Tue 4th Mar 2014 05:52 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
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2011-05-12

For a developer I get it.

For a user I'm not sure it could serve as a way to decided which OS you prefer. I tend to prefer some OS, but another OS tends to have stuff I'd like to have in my preferred OS.

For the average user it may be better not to know what they're missing if they opt for some OS.

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Real Windows
by geleto on Mon 3rd Mar 2014 16:42 UTC
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2005-07-06

They should use an Intel SOC and automatically switch from Android to a real Windows when the phone is connected to a docking station.
I am sure some day Apple will go that route with iOS and OSX - a cheap Mac mini for the masses.

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RE: Real Windows
by darknexus on Mon 3rd Mar 2014 17:04 UTC in reply to "Real Windows"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Problem with that is a lot of us don't want to have to do double configuration, which we would if our phone auto-switched os on us when docked.

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jason_lee
Member since:
2014-03-04

Andyware can run Android Apps on Windows phone in parallel.
http://www.novapx.com

Can someone get more details?

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