Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 25th Jul 2014 11:37 UTC
Windows

I'm lucky. My financial situation allows me to buy several phones and tablets every year to keep up with the goings-on of all the major - and some of the minor - platforms currently competing for prime real estate in your precious pockets. It also means that I am lucky from a psychological point of view - by being able to buy several devices every year, I never fall into the all-too-common trap of choice-supportive bias. I don't have to rationalise my device purchases after the fact, so I won't have to employ all sorts of mental gymnastics to solve any states of cognitive dissonance caused by hardware and software flaws - the number one cause of irrational fanboyism.

And so, I try to rotate my phone of choice around as much as possible. I enjoy jumping from Android to my N9, then onwards to Sailfish, back to Android, and then have some fun with Symbian on my E7 - and beyond. I've got a long list of platforms I want to add to the collection - one white BlackBerry Passport please - but in general, I'm pretty well-rounded.

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BB Passport
by p13. on Fri 25th Jul 2014 12:24 UTC
p13.
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2005-07-10

Looks very interesting, and it's made me want a BB device for the first time ever.

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Very nice summary
by avgalen on Fri 25th Jul 2014 12:29 UTC
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2010-09-23

I have the same feeling about Windows Phone 8.1. With 8 I had lots of complaints and missing features. Black made it somewhat better, Cyan/8.1 puts it on par with the other big 2. Thank you Android for teaching the world how to do notifications.

I never had the "live tiles not updating reliably". And notifications (for email/facebook/whatsapp/Lync) come in on my phone before my laptop at work. I use Wifi for that though, no 2G/3G/4G at all.

I also never had a problem with my Wifi (after coming home from work) not connecting while I had my phone locked. I lock it as soon as I am not using it and it always connects to everything automatically (Wifi at work, bluetooth in the car, Wifi at home). I do notice that "http-updates" take a while but only in the FaceBook app. Pure throughput is never a problem though

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RE: Very nice summary
by Morgan on Fri 25th Jul 2014 13:31 UTC in reply to "Very nice summary"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I never had the "live tiles not updating reliably"


I had this issue on the HTC Arrive running 7.5, but the upgrade to 7.8 fixed it. I've not had that issue on the WP8 phones I've used.

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WP Slow?
by DDevine on Fri 25th Jul 2014 12:50 UTC
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2011-12-28

I've never really understood the complaints about WP being slow. Maybe the issues are just a few particular models -- and interestingly not even the cheaper ones!

I have had two sub-$200 Windows Phones and three sub-$200 Android phones and the performance difference is huge. In my experience Windows Phone is *way* faster and more responsive than Android. Sure - I have seen a few applications sit on "resuming..." (not sure why resuming is slower than starting from scratch) for a few seconds but by and large the experience is still more than satisfactory in terms of speed and responsiveness.

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RE: WP Slow?
by WorknMan on Fri 25th Jul 2014 17:17 UTC in reply to "WP Slow?"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

I've never really understood the complaints about WP being slow. Maybe the issues are just a few particular models -- and interestingly not even the cheaper ones!


I think people have different definitions of slow. For example, some people will grab a phone, fire up a web browser, load up something like The Verge (a site that doesn't even run smoothly on my desktop), scroll up and down as rapidly as they can, and if there's even a HINT of a stutter, they're like, 'Ewwwwwwwwwww.... this thing is a LAG fest!!!' Me, I'm not nearly that picky. I doubt you are either ;)

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RE: WP Slow?
by unclefester on Sun 27th Jul 2014 09:26 UTC in reply to "WP Slow?"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

I tried a few (very) low end Android phones at shop today. They were all quite smooth and responsive. Then again I wasn't silly enough to try to perform half a dozen tasks simultaneously.

If you can't wait 0.5 seconds for something to occur you need to learn some relaxation techniques rather than buying a new phone.

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2G issues
by Morgan on Fri 25th Jul 2014 13:28 UTC
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2005-06-29

Thom, I remember you talking about 2G issues on your Windows Phone previously. I still think it's a carrier provisioning issue that's specific to the platform, as none of the three Windows Phones I've used ever suffered from this issue, and at work I am lucky to get as much as a 2G signal from any carrier. I've used an HTC Arrive, Nokia Lumia 521, and now an HTC 8XT. The HTCs are on Sprint's network via an MVNO, and the Lumia was on a T-Mobile MVNO.

I have three desks at work, one for each job function I serve, and one of them is right in the middle of the warehouse, just out of range of our wifi access points. Before I got around to rearranging the access points for better coverage, I was limited to a spotty 2G signal on my phone (I had to turn off wifi if I was spending any amount of time at that desk, or the phone's battery would suffer from trying to stay connected to it). Yet, I was still getting emails, Skype messages, texts, and every other kind of data as it came in.

The reason I say it may be a provisioning issue (and I know you aren't on CDMA but bear with me) is that when I moved to the HTC 8XT this year, I had to have my carrier reprovision it several times before data and MMS would work. I never had to do this with Android phones on this carrier, and they acknowledged that Windows Phone radio settings are a different animal compared to any other kind of phone.

It might be worth your time to call your carrier and discuss, if you haven't already.

Edited 2014-07-25 13:29 UTC

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v Financials
by tacks on Fri 25th Jul 2014 14:53 UTC
RE: Financials
by Morgan on Fri 25th Jul 2014 15:30 UTC in reply to "Financials"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Boring day under the troll bridge? At least you're consistent:

This is a fake news story. Amusing how OSNews is about the only one falling for it.

Really? Does that scan? You're a journalist. You can do better.

Who cares? Oh, dunno, Linus Torvalds and a bunch of other intelligent guys that spends their time creating stuff instead of blogging on a lame site like this.

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RE[2]: Financials
by jockm on Fri 25th Jul 2014 18:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Financials"
jockm Member since:
2012-12-22

Hold on. While I might not agree with the tenor if that comment, I do think it brings up a valid point.

Thom's post wasn't written in the same voice as a normal OSNews post, nor is it really a news story. It is a description of Thom's device philosophy — and that apparently he wants a BB Passport.

Which is fine as a topic, but I personally think this post of Thom's falls short in its execution.

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RE[3]: Financials
by Morgan on Fri 25th Jul 2014 19:05 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Financials"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

It may or may not be a valid point...but tacks is showing a pattern of abusive, negative commenting. I just wanted to point that out.

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RE[4]: Financials
by woohoo on Sat 26th Jul 2014 01:04 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Financials"
woohoo Member since:
2014-07-26

It may or may not be a valid point...but tacks is showing a pattern of abusive, negative commenting. I just wanted to point that out.


I think tack was just pointing out that you spend waaaay too much time on OSNews commenting.

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RE[5]: Financials
by Morgan on Sat 26th Jul 2014 01:17 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Financials"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Is there a 12 step program? Or do you recommend going cold turkey?

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RE[4]: Financials
by jockm on Mon 28th Jul 2014 01:04 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Financials"
jockm Member since:
2012-12-22

Well, without context, if the first one was true I would say it was a serious issue and worth pointing out. Perhaps a milder tone would have been better, but without knowing what it was about I can't say.

But if you really consider him a troll, isn't it better to just not engage and let his/her words speak for themselves?

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RE[5]: Financials
by Morgan on Mon 28th Jul 2014 01:17 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Financials"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Well, obviously he is enough of one that his account got suspended and a reply he made to me was deleted before I could even read it. It's very rare to get suspended here. I have no sympathy for him.

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RE[6]: Financials
by jockm on Mon 28th Jul 2014 02:57 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Financials"
jockm Member since:
2012-12-22

That is fine, but again what is the point of engaging? If someone is truly a troll then engaging only encourages them, then you are only encouraging them.

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RE[7]: Financials
by Morgan on Mon 28th Jul 2014 11:26 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Financials"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I appreciate your point of view, and I don't always engage trolls. If I feel I can steer the conversation back towards sanity, or in this case, if I can point out blatant abuse, I will. Sometimes it works, sometimes it backfires. In this case (even though it wasn't my intent, nor did it even cross my mind) the troll got suspended. Other times, I might make a fool of myself by causing an off-topic argument with someone who wants just that. But hey, that's my mistake to make or not, right?

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What should be improved next?
by avgalen on Fri 25th Jul 2014 15:30 UTC
avgalen
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2010-09-23

I got my first Windows Phone just before the Black Update and that update and 8.1 fixed and added allmost everything I can imagine. So what is actually still missing or broken after getting 8.1?

* Sane ordering in "All Settings". I have no idea why everything in "All Settings" is not searchable or sorted by alphabet or recent use. They should make it just like the app list
* More Cortana! Make it available in Here Drive, then all built in apps, then all languages
* Fingerprintscanner/TouchID (requires hardware, or a major update to "doubletap to unlock")
* Work/Private mode (including selective wipe)
* A better way of managing/sorting the pictures on the phone and OneDrive. I want some way to say "I moved/deleted these 200 pictures on my phone, now do the same online"
* Videopodcast stutter after a while of playback. Other videos are fine and audiopodcasts are also fine
* I am assuming that people still miss a "Folders" feature and some important apps

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SailfishOS
by drcouzelis on Fri 25th Jul 2014 16:17 UTC
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2010-01-11

Sailfish' state is a story for another time

I'd love to hear that story. ;)

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gsyoungblood
Member since:
2007-01-09

Thom,

The biggest complaint I have with Windows Phone is the decision that the wifi is not "on" when in stand by. That means if I turn the phone on, unlock, and open an app quickly, I have to sit and wait for the sliding dots on the screen to show that it had (a) turned on radios, (b) connected to network, (c) finally connected to the service I was trying to connect to, and (d) get the data needed to update the display.

I, too, jump around environments quite a bit. I've come to the point where I end up using an HTC One (M7) for a phone (though I'm thinking about the LG G3 now) and an iPad Mini for a tablet. I have several phones and tablets, but these are the two I find I really like using the most.

I have had a couple of windows phones, and I really liked several things in Windows Phone 7 and 8. For one, in the car with bluetooth connected to the car's stereo, Windows Phone has had the best hands-free AND eyes-free integration. Get a text message and it opens audio to the car and you can have it read the message, you can reply to the message, etc. All via voice. And it works better than the comparable features I've used o other devices. The HTC One's car mode gets -close-, but the feature only works on media integration, not phone headset, so if you're listening to the radio it doesn't work, and the voice recognition isn't as accurate in a noisy car (in my experience).

If only it weren't for that lagged network connection. That's the death knell on Windows Phone for me, and why I can't stick with it for more than a couple of days when i switch back.

So, does WP 8.1 fix -that- problem? I'd be willing to take another hard look if they did.

Edited 2014-07-25 17:45 UTC

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dukes Member since:
2005-07-06

You probably have to check the box that says 'keep wifi connected' under wifi settings.

I haven't had those issues you mentioned on my WP.

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I have had a couple of windows phones, and I really liked several things in Windows Phone 7 and 8. For one, in the car with bluetooth connected to the car's stereo, Windows Phone has had the best hands-free AND eyes-free integration. Get a text message and it opens audio to the car and you can have it read the message, you can reply to the message, etc. All via voice. And it works better than the comparable features I've used o other devices.


I absolutely love this feature. It works fairly well in WP7.8, but it works flawlessly in WP8.

As for your wifi issue, as long as you have it set to keep wifi on when the screen is locked it should stay connected; mine does. The relevant setting is in Settings > Wi-Fi > advanced:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4074189/WP/wp_ss_20140726_0001.p...

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avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

I never had this problem, but I also never saw that box. I just checked on my 1020 with 8.1 (no Cyan yet) and it isn't there. I guess it is hardware dependent?

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

It may very well be, though I do recall seeing it on my Lumia 521. It may even be a regional thing; the 8.1 release was very fragmented by region, with North America getting it last, and my device in particular won't see it for a while yet. I'm on 8.0 GDR3 at the moment, and that is only because I am in the Developer Preview program; without it I'd be about four updates behind.

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v You ABSOLUTELY can make an iPhone your iPhone
by Sabon on Fri 25th Jul 2014 18:21 UTC
Z_God Member since:
2006-06-11

You really managed to run Windows 95 within OS/2? It appears there are some fundamental issues which prevent Windows 95 from running with another DPMI host, so I really wonder about it.

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D'oh.
by marcp on Fri 25th Jul 2014 22:30 UTC
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2007-11-23

"I'm lucky. My financial situation allows me to buy several phones and tablets every year to keep up with the goings-on of all the major - and some of the minor - platforms currently competing for prime real estate in your precious pockets."

Environment isn't all that happy with you, you know. Yeah, buy more, waste more resources. You'll receive a medal for participating in destroying of our NATURAL HABITAT.
Other than that - consumptionism. To be, or to have ... ? that is a question. Seemingly, you've chosen the latter. Not very wise, to say the least.

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RE: D'oh.
by Morgan on Fri 25th Jul 2014 22:53 UTC in reply to "D'oh."
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Yeah, buy more, waste more resources.


Thom: "...started to work on my nerves so much I decided to give it away to my father (a €700-800 device is too expensive to collect dust in a drawer - it needs to be used, hence I gave it away)"

He could have just bought his dad a new phone, but he gave him one instead. I remember reading in the past how he has swapped with/given devices to his other family members. I do the same thing; my best friend and I trade devices with each other so much my wife thinks we could make a drinking game out of it, if we drank. I have a Pebble smartwatch I don't use anymore, that I got from said friend when he upgraded. He could have just tossed it in the trash but he gave it to me. I could just toss it in the trash, but instead I'll end up passing it on to someone else so they don't have to buy a new one.

You're right, there is entirely too much waste going on in the world, especially when it comes to technology and gadgets. But I think you should read an entire article before firing off both barrels at the first paragraph.

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RE: D'oh.
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 25th Jul 2014 23:43 UTC in reply to "D'oh."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You'll receive a medal for participating in destroying of our NATURAL HABITAT.


Considering I work from home, in a tiny country where everything is close by and I barely have to use my car at all, I think my contribution to "destroying of our NATURAL HABITAT" is exceptionally minimal when compared to just about everyone else in the western world.

On top of that, I live in The Netherlands. There's nothing natural about the land my house is built on in the first place, because my ancestors BUILT this land from the sea.

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RE[2]: D'oh.
by zima on Mon 28th Jul 2014 22:09 UTC in reply to "RE: D'oh."
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

But you still can't get a fully supported hardware for the review of RISC OS? ;p

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Comment by judgen
by judgen on Sat 26th Jul 2014 09:19 UTC
judgen
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2006-07-12

I strongly dislike smatphones as a whole. So i hsve opted out.

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why three and not four or five
by martijn on Sat 26th Jul 2014 19:54 UTC
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2010-11-06

It takes not only a good OS and set of apps but also a sizable market share to be a major platform. If WP is a major platform, why not Jolla or especially Ubuntu phone. In my opinion the later is much more headed for the future, with the integration of smartphones and desktop experience. http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/operators-and-oems

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RE: why three and not four or five
by Morgan on Sun 27th Jul 2014 01:05 UTC in reply to "why three and not four or five"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Well, as awesome as Jolla seems to be, it's a niche device that's only available in a few countries right now. It may become a big player one day, but that day is far off.

As for Ubuntu, it technically doesn't even exist yet as a phone OS. The only way to even use it is to install a demo version on one of about three compatible Nexus devices, one of which isn't even a phone. Even when you do that, it's stuck in demo mode with no actual functionality.

If anything, the fourth contender will be Blackberry, assuming they are able to stage a comeback with their new product line. I hope they can, but I don't see it happening.

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