Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 17th Dec 2014 23:01 UTC
Multimedia, AV

Sony Pictures has cancelled the planned release on 25 December of the film The Interview, after major cinema chains decided not to screen it.

The film is about a fictional plot to kill North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.

Hackers have already carried out a cyber attack on Sony and warned the public to stay away from cinemas screening the film.

Sony hacked, documents released, theatres and Sony threatened by terrorists, and now, the film in question cancelled.

Een volk dat voor tirannen zwicht, zal meer dan lijf en goed verliezen, dan dooft het licht.

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I'll probably see it
by WorknMan on Wed 17th Dec 2014 23:15 UTC
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I had no interest in seeing this movie before, but probably will now... just because. I reckon the hackers are doing more harm than good by doing things to put this movie in the limelight. Had they never went through all this trouble, the movie probably would've came and went without any fanfare. Heck, I probably never would've heard of it.

On another note, some conspiracy theorists think this is all some sort of viral marketing campaign by Sony, but I think the ruse would be too elaborate and too costly for such a scenario.

Reply Score: 8

RE: I'll probably see it
by Kochise on Thu 18th Dec 2014 06:16 UTC in reply to "I'll probably see it"
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2006-03-03

More harm ? Was the movie doing any good ? Promoting terrorism and assassination ? Oww, of course not, it's the good western world doing it, so it's not wrong, it's just restoring peace and freedom with surgical strikes. There is a name for that : propaganda. Or : brainwashing. Or : revisionism. Sony playing spin doctor is wrong at so many levels.

Edited 2014-12-18 06:18 UTC

Reply Score: 6

v RE[2]: I'll probably see it
by Radio on Thu 18th Dec 2014 07:14 UTC in reply to "RE: I'll probably see it"
RE[2]: I'll probably see it
by mieses on Thu 18th Dec 2014 08:40 UTC in reply to "RE: I'll probably see it"
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Some French traditions never die.

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RE[2]: I'll probably see it
by WorknMan on Thu 18th Dec 2014 15:02 UTC in reply to "RE: I'll probably see it"
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2005-11-13

More harm ?


Yes, more harm. By going through all that trouble, they just ensured that many of us who had no intention of watching it before will most definitely see it now, assuming Sony ever releases it. Kind of like the Streisand effect, you know?

It's like when the 2 Live Crew album 'As Nasty As They Wanna Be' was challenged in court for being obscene, resulting in it selling more than two million copies. If they'd just left it alone, it probably would've came and went quietly.

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RE[2]: I'll probably see it
by Soulbender on Fri 19th Dec 2014 08:00 UTC in reply to "RE: I'll probably see it"
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2005-08-18

Promoting terrorism


No, it's not pro-North Korea.

and assassination


Only if you also consider "Hot Shots! Part Deux" to be promoting assassination.

There is a name for that : propaganda. Or : brainwashing. Or : revisionism.


You've just described North Korea.

Edited 2014-12-19 08:01 UTC

Reply Score: 3

RE[3]: I'll probably see it
by jgagnon on Fri 19th Dec 2014 14:39 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I'll probably see it"
jgagnon Member since:
2008-06-24


"Promoting terrorism


No, it's not pro-North Korea.

and assassination


Only if you also consider "Hot Shots! Part Deux" to be promoting assassination.

There is a name for that : propaganda. Or : brainwashing. Or : revisionism.


You've just described North Korea.
"

So, in your world view, if some other country had released a movie in a similar vein that involved them coming to the US to assassinate our president, would you be fine with that? Even if the movie was "just a comedy"?

Somehow I doubt the "good old boys" would sit by and just let that movie happen. They'd call it a threat to national security. About some fictitious president? No problem. About the real current president? No way.

Edited 2014-12-19 14:41 UTC

Reply Score: 1

RE[4]: I'll probably see it
by ezraz on Fri 19th Dec 2014 16:11 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: I'll probably see it"
ezraz Member since:
2012-06-20

as an american i don't have any problem with a comedy from another nation about coming to america to kill our president. a bunch of bumbling idiot terrorists trying to meet obama and outsmart the secret service, i wouldn't be "offended" in the least. nor would i think anyone in america other than fox news would care. and if it was obama, they'd probably promote the damn movie.

i really don't. i welcome it, it could be very funny. like Borat or something like that, making fun of america and americans.

C O M E D Y. unfortunately some of you don't seem to have a sense of humor or don't believe comedy is an appropriate way to deal with the stresses and ridiculousness of the world.

i suggest starting with History of the World Part I by Mel Brooks, and enjoying some Springtime for Hitler, then some South Park Bigger Longer & Uncut, maybe the Naked Gun movies. Also anything by Sacha Baron Cohen, and anything on TV by Stephen Colbert or Jon Stewart or Sarah Silverman or a myriad of comics that use current events as their fodder.

The Inquisition, ya ya ya.

If you can't laugh at something absurd related to something terrible that's fine but you can't tell other people what's funny or not funny. It's a perfectly sensible way to deal with things so much larger than ourselves.

Whoever said this is about Tort Law nailed it, the corporations are more afraid of lawsuits than dead moviegoers. I'm just amazed Sony green-lighted the project only to back off. You would have thought they would have had these debates internally, not once the movie was complete and marketed for release.

Edited 2014-12-19 16:17 UTC

Reply Score: 1

RE[4]: I'll probably see it
by ezraz on Fri 19th Dec 2014 16:16 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: I'll probably see it"
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2012-06-20

Even if "the good old boys" saw a foreign movie as an actual threat to US security (they wouldn't give 2 shits) they still wouldn't threaten nuclear war and promise to obliterate the country over a slapstick comedy.

and they also couldn't stop their citizens from seeing the film, because americans are allowed to take in art of any variety without fear of arrest.

to say "imagine the sides were switched" and to equate the US with north korea is patently ridiculous. we americans enjoy freedoms *daily* that would get a north korean jailed or worse, including laughing at whatever the hell we want to laugh at.

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RE[5]: I'll probably see it
by jgagnon on Fri 19th Dec 2014 16:43 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: I'll probably see it"
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2008-06-24

Even if "the good old boys" saw a foreign movie as an actual threat to US security (they wouldn't give 2 shits) they still wouldn't threaten nuclear war and promise to obliterate the country over a slapstick comedy.

and they also couldn't stop their citizens from seeing the film, because americans are allowed to take in art of any variety without fear of arrest.

to say "imagine the sides were switched" and to equate the US with north korea is patently ridiculous. we americans enjoy freedoms *daily* that would get a north korean jailed or worse, including laughing at whatever the hell we want to laugh at.


Do you have any idea how many people we've captured and tortured or outright killed just because they were arbitrarily connected to a "known terrorist"? Oh and that known terrorist might simply have been someone that said something (no proof they actually did anything) that "threatened national security". If you think nothing would be done because of a movie then you are naive at best or in outright denial.

What the US says it does and what it actual does are two very different things most of the time. Our government and military are not the good guys we make them out to be. And no, that isn't an insult to those serving in the military, just the people pulling the strings and killing people on a whim or through uneducated fear and prejudice. I love my country but I hate our current government for turning us into worldwide villains.

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RE[6]: I'll probably see it
by ezraz on Fri 19th Dec 2014 17:45 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: I'll probably see it"
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2012-06-20

"Even if "the good old boys" saw a foreign movie as an actual threat to US security (they wouldn't give 2 shits) they still wouldn't threaten nuclear war and promise to obliterate the country over a slapstick comedy.

and they also couldn't stop their citizens from seeing the film, because americans are allowed to take in art of any variety without fear of arrest.

to say "imagine the sides were switched" and to equate the US with north korea is patently ridiculous. we americans enjoy freedoms *daily* that would get a north korean jailed or worse, including laughing at whatever the hell we want to laugh at.


Do you have any idea how many people we've captured and tortured or outright killed just because they were arbitrarily connected to a "known terrorist"? Oh and that known terrorist might simply have been someone that said something (no proof they actually did anything) that "threatened national security". If you think nothing would be done because of a movie then you are naive at best or in outright denial.

What the US says it does and what it actual does are two very different things most of the time. Our government and military are not the good guys we make them out to be. And no, that isn't an insult to those serving in the military, just the people pulling the strings and killing people on a whim or through uneducated fear and prejudice. I love my country but I hate our current government for turning us into worldwide villains.
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I'm not disagreeing with what you posted but show me an example of established movie companies, with established actors, being tortured or killed by the US gov't because of the content of their comedic art.

that's very different than "associating with known terrorists". i'm not talking propaganda films or serious documentaries, and i'm definitely not talking about bad people pretending to be a movie crew.

this is seth rogan, dave franco, sony pictures. these are big names in entertainment worldwide. this is not Ahmad Nobody making a training video on how to kill americans.

i can believe a lot of bad things about america and her misguided foreign policy, but i don't believe if a bollywood comedy came out insulting obama that those actors should fear for their lives. if a japanese kung fu movie karate chopped an actor playing joe biden no one would care. i think you are taking all of this far beyond reality.

have you seen the movies where the white house is destroyed, where all of washington is destroyed, where terrorists try to kill the president? we make those movies ourselves.

bow before zod. it's a movie, it's entertainment, whoever these hackers are they are being bullies, and sony is feeding into their power. it's sad.

i'd like to slap the fearless leader of korea with dick cheney's dead hand. i can say such things and laugh because i live in a free society, regardless of
what the military may or may not do with my tax dollars.

Reply Score: 1

RE[4]: I'll probably see it
by WorknMan on Fri 19th Dec 2014 19:15 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: I'll probably see it"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

So, in your world view, if some other country had released a movie in a similar vein that involved them coming to the US to assassinate our president, would you be fine with that?


You mean like this one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_President_%282006_film~...

No, I wouldn't care. It's called free speech... you should look it up sometime.

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RE[4]: I'll probably see it
by Soulbender on Sat 20th Dec 2014 02:19 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: I'll probably see it"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Why would I have a problem with a movie about an assassination attempt on the US president? I'm perfectly fine with that.

Somehow I doubt the "good old boys" would sit by and just let that movie happen.


I really don't give a damn about what the good old boys think and them forcing another nation to cancel a movie for this reason would be just as wrong as what has happened here.

Reply Score: 3

RE: I'll probably see it
by Soulbender on Fri 19th Dec 2014 07:58 UTC in reply to "I'll probably see it"
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2005-08-18

Yeah, same for me. I had no real interest in watching it before but no I most certainly will, just to give this idiots a big "fuck off".

Reply Score: 2

On the other hand...
by Vanders on Thu 18th Dec 2014 00:16 UTC
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2005-07-06

Perhaps North Korea have saved the world from a really terrible movie?

Reply Score: 10

RE: On the other hand...
by dvhh on Thu 18th Dec 2014 01:32 UTC in reply to "On the other hand..."
dvhh Member since:
2006-03-20

I really hoped they would have done the same for the transformers movies.
/sarcasm

Reply Score: 7

RE: On the other hand...
by Soulbender on Fri 19th Dec 2014 07:57 UTC in reply to "On the other hand..."
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Unfortunately it seems we were saved due to a bunch of terrible morons.

Reply Score: 3

Comment by Drumhellar
by Drumhellar on Thu 18th Dec 2014 01:47 UTC
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The terrorists won.

Again.

Reply Score: 5

RE: Comment by Drumhellar
by neticspace on Thu 18th Dec 2014 03:58 UTC in reply to "Comment by Drumhellar"
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Everybody wins from this Sony hack.

Reply Score: 2

Comment by neticspace
by neticspace on Thu 18th Dec 2014 02:55 UTC
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As a person with an unknown number of relatives stranded in North Korean before the Korean War, I think this Sony hack has become rather positive. Imagine this movie shows in South Korea, then Seoul will be razed to the ground with a casualty of at least 17,000,000 South Korean civilians.

This is why a lot of South Korean citizens are turning pro-North nowadays. They now think that South Korean politicians are a bigger threat to South Korean civilians than the North Korean military.

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Dumb movie to begin with
by cmost on Thu 18th Dec 2014 03:01 UTC
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Frankly 'The Interview' came across as one of the dumbest movies ever released by Hollywood, well...perhaps not as vapid as 'Dumb and Dumber too'. Hollywood has totally lost it. They can't do anything except reboots, sequels, prequels or movies about legos, Super Mario Bros. and other ridiculous nonsense! Where is the creativity, the originality and the art? I gave up on Hollywood years ago and I don't feel sorry for Sony for releasing a really stupid movie and then being called to task for it by hackers who took offense. I wish those hackers the very best and hope they intervene again when the next umpteenth Spiderman reboot happens.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Dumb movie to begin with
by Soulbender on Fri 19th Dec 2014 08:05 UTC in reply to "Dumb movie to begin with"
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2005-08-18

then being called to task for it by hackers who took offense.


A.k.a cellar-dwelling script kiddies desperate for peer attention and validation.

Reply Score: 3

RE[2]: Dumb movie to begin with
by Carewolf on Fri 19th Dec 2014 19:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Dumb movie to begin with"
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2005-09-08

"then being called to task for it by hackers who took offense.


A.k.a cellar-dwelling script kiddies desperate for peer attention and validation.
"
I read that as script writers. Still made perfect sense, just explaining the movie instead.

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Comment by neticspace
by neticspace on Thu 18th Dec 2014 03:59 UTC
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04/03/what-is-going-on-with-north...

This is for people who don't know much about North Korea.

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RE: Comment by neticspace
by Radio on Thu 18th Dec 2014 07:19 UTC in reply to "Comment by neticspace"
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2009-06-20

I knew it! It was those goddamned Canadian Al-Qeada Nazi Jews!

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Comment by neticspace
by neticspace on Thu 18th Dec 2014 07:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by neticspace"
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2009-06-09

Technically the US government still controls North Korea via the CIA.

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: Comment by neticspace
by Radio on Thu 18th Dec 2014 10:30 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by neticspace"
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Technically the US government still controls North Korea via the CIA.

I know. I work there.

Reply Score: 3

RE: Comment by neticspace
by mmrezaie on Fri 19th Dec 2014 08:25 UTC in reply to "Comment by neticspace"
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Do you really believe in that shit?

Reply Score: 2

Just for fun
by CapEnt on Thu 18th Dec 2014 04:32 UTC
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2005-12-18

I don't like that kind of movie, but now i'm seriously thinking about mounting a projector just outside the North Korean embassy here in Brazil and pass this movie over and over again in their very own facade.

Just to piss off that little worthless piece of crap called Kim Jong-un.

Reply Score: 4

forumache
Member since:
2011-12-22

But no, you still want to get your money worth. So you will release it on DVD and BluRay.

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Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

But no, you still want to get your money worth. So you will release it on DVD and BluRay.

Release it on youtube but ask $1 for viewing it. You screw the terrorists and you show the studios if this is a good strategy for future movies.
If I could watch Theater movies in Youtube I would watch a lot more than 0.8 Movies per year ;)

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Comment by Gone fishing
by Gone fishing on Thu 18th Dec 2014 06:32 UTC
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So what we have is a article about a true awful, unethical movie that never should have been made. Produced by a sniveling, spineless, unethical company that is really, really, really bad at IT security but fixated with its own IP.

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RE: Comment by Gone fishing
by Kochise on Thu 18th Dec 2014 06:37 UTC in reply to "Comment by Gone fishing"
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2006-03-03

Bad at IT ? Hmmm, I remember something like this :

int random_ps3() { return 0x0badc0de; }

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RE: Comment by Gone fishing
by mieses on Thu 18th Dec 2014 08:31 UTC in reply to "Comment by Gone fishing"
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2006-02-07

How did this comment score higher than -10? Are the North Koreans kidnapping Japanese teenage social media users?

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RE[2]: Comment by Gone fishing
by Gone fishing on Thu 18th Dec 2014 10:52 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Gone fishing"
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2006-02-22

I find your comment slightly depressing as you obviously misconstrue my point. The world is not divided into the good and the bad, I guess you have Sony good, North Korea bad. No it is the bad (Sony) and the immeasurably worse (Democratic People's Republic of Korea). Nevertheless Sony’s behaviour is utterly contemptible; that North Korea’s is also contemptible, goes without saying.

Did Sony make a film about the Orwellian horror of North Korea? No they made a lame comedy. This is a kin to making a bed room farce about Doctor Mengele and Dorothea Binz, with the background of Buchenwald there for comic relief. It is contemptible; there is nothing comic about the DPRK apart from in the very blackest sense. The fact that this film has as a subtext, that it's a right laugh for the US to carry out extra judicial killings, in the same week that Dick Cheney says he doesn’t give a flying f--k, if innocent people are tortured or killed just makes it worse.

Then after producing this cinematic marvel of our age, as soon as the DPRK puts them under pressure they fold and hand another victory to the Dear Leader second in command of the DPRK the world’s only necrocracy. Then Sony goes back to what’s really important to it, making money and defending what it considers its IP.

Edited 2014-12-18 11:10 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Gone fishing
by galvanash on Fri 19th Dec 2014 06:03 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Gone fishing"
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It is contemptible; there is nothing comic about the DPRK apart from in the very blackest sense.


I know you are right and I agree on general principle, the rationale stoic thinker in me has to. But at the same time, you have to admit, the cult of personality surrounding Kim Jong-un is a comedic goldmine. How could anyone not want to make a movie mocking that guy?

I'm just saying, your analogy to a comedy about Mengele and Binz is a bit off. There isn't a ounce of funny to be found between the two of them. There is lots of funny to be found in Kim Jong-un. The deranged self-importance, the maniacal fascination with western culture, Denis f*cking Rodman (too perfect), the haircut ;) ...

I get it. He is an evil bastard oppressing his people and there is nothing funny about that. But still, he is hilarious.

Besides, if you are trying to actually make a movie someone will see, what do you think will sell more tickets? A serious documentary style diatribe about the atrocities that are happening in North Korea, or a farcical comedy mocking the ridiculousness of the whole thing? Sure, they are making fun of something that isn't at all funny, but honestly that is when comedy can be most effective. Its surely more effective than some hardline documentary hardly anyone would watch.

Anyway... I have not been impressed with anything Rogen and Franco have done together so far - not exactly awful but not great either. But I'm crossing my fingers they finally nailed it with this one. I at least give it a watch when Sony sells like a zillion BluRays of it ;)

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RE[4]: Comment by Gone fishing
by Kochise on Fri 19th Dec 2014 10:07 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Gone fishing"
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2006-03-03

Take 'Dr Devil' from 'Austin Powers' and 'The Dictator' by Cohen, mix, shake, pour, you get Kim Jong.

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RE[3]: Comment by Gone fishing
by mieses on Mon 22nd Dec 2014 07:30 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Gone fishing"
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2006-02-07

Mel Brooks has said that the only difference between the Producers and the Interview was that he waited until Hitler was dead. I would stop trying to read too much importance into the actions of companies like Sony or comedians. In the end, good or bad, the free world is far more productive per capita than NK. That's all that matters. We make serious movies, silly movies, write silly commentary about silly movies, and spend billions advertising them. The content is not important. There is more freedom, energy, activity .. good or bad is not the point. There is an economy. You are free to spend your energy constructing some subtle, subversive, pseudo-critical viewpoint on this nonsense if you like and hopefully you gain something from it in some academic career at a liberal college. What is truly depressing is that your critique falls back on the boring, conventional anti-western rhetoric which makes you look clever but ultimately risks normalizing the condition of NK in the minds of those readers who are less wise than you hopefully are.

Edited 2014-12-22 07:31 UTC

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RE: Comment by Gone fishing
by henderson101 on Thu 18th Dec 2014 10:26 UTC in reply to "Comment by Gone fishing"
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2006-05-30

Err - Sony might have green-lighted the film, may have funded it and probably signed off on the final content, but the guys who produced/directed/wrote/edited the film are responsible for the actual content. Just because Sony were naive and allowed it to ever get made, doesn't mean they actually agreed with the content to the extent that the media now claims.

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RE[2]: Comment by Gone fishing
by Gone fishing on Thu 18th Dec 2014 11:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Gone fishing"
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2006-02-22

Err - Sony might have green-lighted the film, may have funded it and probably signed off on the final content.


So you think they'd be OK with funding a comedy flick about the Rwandan genocide, the ISIS Caliphate? You think they'd sign off on that too?

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RE[3]: Comment by Gone fishing
by darknexus on Thu 18th Dec 2014 12:28 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Gone fishing"
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2008-07-15

So you think they'd be OK with funding a comedy flick about the Rwandan genocide, the ISIS Caliphate? You think they'd sign off on that too?

If it made them money, you bet they would. This is Sony we're talking about.

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RE[3]: Comment by Gone fishing
by cfgr on Thu 18th Dec 2014 13:58 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Gone fishing"
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2009-07-18

What would be wrong with that? It all depends on how they bring it, humour is a way to cope and break silence and fear. It's something society nowadays really could use more of instead of all the scaremongering.

I'm not saying this particular film is any good. I haven't seen it so I can't judge it, and I'll probably never be able to as it is now censored.

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RE[4]: Comment by Gone fishing
by Gone fishing on Thu 18th Dec 2014 22:31 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Gone fishing"
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2006-02-22

In principal you are right and I suppose "Black Adder goes forth" or "Oh what a lovely War" come to mind. However it becomes exponentially more difficult, when people are still actually dying, or the crimes amount crimes against humanity. But to play such horror for cheap laughs is inappropriate.

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RE[3]: Comment by Gone fishing
by Soulbender on Sat 20th Dec 2014 05:32 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Gone fishing"
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2005-08-18

So do you also have an issue with Chaplin's "The Great Dictator"? It was made while Hitler was still alive and in power and the holocaust was in full swing (although the extent of it wasn't widely known at the time).
Or, for that matter, how Spitting Image made fun of the South African leaders during Apartheid?

Edited 2014-12-20 05:41 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Gone fishing
by Gone fishing on Sun 21st Dec 2014 22:33 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Gone fishing"
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2006-02-22

So do you also have an issue with Chaplin's "The Great Dictator"? It was made while Hitler was still alive


No and I wrote

there is nothing comic about the DPRK apart from in the very blackest sense


It is possible to meaningfully satirise awful leaders - however, this needs to be thoughtful with an edge, sorry this film is not that, a comic farce, which uses the DPRKJ as a comic background.

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"leak" it
by benoitb on Thu 18th Dec 2014 08:13 UTC
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At this point, Sony should just upload this to the interwebz. Piratebay or similar.

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PR
by Odisej on Thu 18th Dec 2014 08:54 UTC
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This is a superb PR stunt! And most of the people will uncritically believe it. Long live naiveté.

Besides, just for the info, if somebody sends an email to the White House threatening the president or just writes about killing him on the Internet, preferably before some foreign visit, he will be interrogated as a potential terrorist. Now, try making a movie about killing him, sit back and observe the reactions.

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RE: PR
by Kochise on Thu 18th Dec 2014 09:16 UTC in reply to "PR"
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2006-03-03

Instead to make a film about prospecting to kill a dictator, why Sony don't make a film about the democrats they killed abroad, like Salvador Allende (Chile) or Jacobo Árbenz Guzmán (Guatelama) ? They could even add "based on real events" to promote it.

Reply Score: 3

RE: PR
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 18th Dec 2014 10:29 UTC in reply to "PR"
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2005-06-29

This is a superb PR stunt! And most of the people will uncritically believe it. Long live naiveté.


Sure, because Sony would send out actual terrorist threats - a serious criminal offense - fake a leak, and throw out many of its company secrets just to promote a movie.

Naivete, for sure. Jesus Christ.

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RE[2]: PR
by Odisej on Thu 18th Dec 2014 11:30 UTC in reply to "RE: PR"
Odisej Member since:
2006-05-11

Me or you can make a terrorist threat. Do you remember the Muhammad cartoons controversy? How many threats? How many actual attacks? And it was a case with terrorist outcome in Europe far more likely.

And who is going to hack who? Does Sony have such shitty protection even after the last "attack" it is afraid of ... well, who?

And I suppose there are numerous North Korean secret agents in Canada and USA just waiting to bomb a theater. Oh, please.

Naivite, yes, for sure.

EDIT: Btw, I am not saying the threats were not made but I am saying that the response to them was strongly influenced by PR interests.

Edited 2014-12-18 11:34 UTC

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RE[2]: PR
by cfgr on Thu 18th Dec 2014 16:17 UTC in reply to "RE: PR"
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2009-07-18

If you say or do something that you know a part of the 7 billion population will find offensive then you'll have your threat no matter its (lack of) credibility.

Knowing that about 1/4th of the population suffers from some sort of mental illness in the course of a year I figure it should be really easy to get something given a large enough offended population.

Not saying that this was Sony's purpose, but your argument is pretty naive as well.

Edited 2014-12-18 16:22 UTC

Reply Score: 3

H.M. van Randwijk
by crystall on Thu 18th Dec 2014 11:00 UTC
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For those who didn't get the Dutch quote in the article, it's from H.M. van Randwijk, a journalist who was a member of the Dutch resistance during World War II. The quote can be roughly translated to the following (native Dutch speakers please chime in and correct me if I'm wrong):

A nation that yields to tyrants loses more than life and property, it's light itself that goes out.

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C O M E D Y
by ezraz on Thu 18th Dec 2014 14:08 UTC
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this is lame, and i will definitely do whatever i can to see the movie now. any comedy that can start world drama is worth seeing, just to laugh at how ridiculous people can be.

this is a comedy created by the same people who created pineapple express. overreact much?

i'd show the movie and interrogate any person of korean decent that gets near the theater and doesn't look stoned because i doubt any of them are there for the latest seth rogan comedy. just make them sign in or something. i think it would be pretty easy to spot angry looking koreans around a movie theater, i don't think i've ever seen one there before.

anyone remember "team america world police"? what about "south park", or any number of stupid american comedy movies that mocked foreign leaders?

i'd also see a comedy about stupid dolts asked to assassinate obama/bush/fill in the western world leader if it looked funny. the CIA asking stupid reporters to kill anyone is a funny premise.

comedy, people. in a free society it is free to mock what it wants. these north korean idiots probably boosted this stupid movie that very few people would have seen into the most sought after 90 minutes out of hollywood in decades.

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RE: C O M E D Y
by Kochise on Thu 18th Dec 2014 14:43 UTC in reply to "C O M E D Y"
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2006-03-03

Yeah, but this is not Portal, or Police Academy, or The Naked Gun, this is about true people, true country, true events.

OK, OK, this is not Inglourious Basterds too, because it take place in the present.

The question is : what is this movie in the first place ? What's the point of 'shooting' (pun intended) it ?

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RE[2]: C O M E D Y
by ezraz on Thu 18th Dec 2014 14:54 UTC in reply to "RE: C O M E D Y"
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not having seen it, i can't say what the overall tone is. the basic story - james franco is a lightweight entertainment journalist, seth rogan his manager, and kim jung oon is a big fan (similar to the dennis rodman situation but written prior to). when they land an interview with the leader they are picked up by the CIA and recruited to poison him with a handshake. they are such bumbling idiots they make a mess of the whole situation. the leader is played by a korean-american comedian. that's all i've seen from the marketing and a few interviews.


being it's a seth rogan and james franco comedy, i'm sure it's a lot like pineapple express, or this is the end -- totally ridiculous, slapstick stoner comedy.

there's probably lots of ass humor, sex humor, toilet humor, drug humor. probably not too much of the old, obvious racist type of humor because most characters in seth rogan comedies play against stereotypes.

i agree they could have easily made the country "north direah" and the leader "kill sum poon" but would it really have made a difference? most people on planet earth agree that the north korea situation is the strangest one going.

do you think a movie mocking hitler in 1940 would have been made then pulled when nazi's threatened american movie theaters? different times, i know, but i doubt it.

it's still bowing to terrorists, over a comedy, and thats sad. i don't care how funny or unfunny the movie actually is.

Edited 2014-12-18 14:59 UTC

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RE[3]: C O M E D Y
by Kochise on Thu 18th Dec 2014 15:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: C O M E D Y"
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2006-03-03

The Great Dictator, by Charlie Chaplin

OK, let's sum it up. If it is a comedy à-la Austin Powers killing lots of people and everyone laugh about it, I'll dare to say it's ain't any greater than any (asian) dictator killing lots of people and be pleased (up to requesting pictures of killed people).

It's just because we're from western first world country we should be proud of this. This spectacle does not highlight us as an evolved specie.

EDIT : Korea strangest country ? According to what norm ? Being governed by lobbies, signing ACTA without citizens consent, spied by NSA, is that really far different ?

And it's as bowing front of terrorism than feminism, where people cannot make sexy/dirty joke anymore because in the name of "respect" now everyone has turned into pussies.

Freedom of though you say ? Yes, provided you keep it for yourself. That's where we are nowadays !

Edited 2014-12-18 15:39 UTC

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RE[4]: C O M E D Y
by ezraz on Thu 18th Dec 2014 16:00 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: C O M E D Y"
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2012-06-20

i'm with you on not being particularly proud of this moment in history. but comparing outside of n.korea to inside n.korea is ludicrous. crazy talk.

want to see the difference? i'm on the internet right now. earning a decent living. i say what i want, go where i want, think what i want. i have food in my fridge, the world's entertainment on my tv, the world's books in my library. i'm free to go just about anywhere on the planet using my passport. i don't even need to come home if i don't want to, i can just apply to live there.

watch my freedom: congress is full of crooks. the pharmaceutical, media, and energy companies form an american type of facism.

george w. bush was a retard. dick cheney a war criminal. fuck the police. let's riot! the new york yankees suck. blue is better than red. our fearless leader has many flaws and is far from perfect. i know people smarter than obama. my son says he's a communist (but really just broke ;-).

do i fear for my safety after typing that? not at all, because i'm a US citizen with a bill of rights and constitution protecting my right to say/type such things, and lawyers more than happy to protect those rights.

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RE[4]: C O M E D Y
by Bobthearch on Fri 19th Dec 2014 18:30 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: C O M E D Y"
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The Great Dictator, by Charlie Chaplin


Nine months before The Great Dictator there was Moe Howard's (Three Stooges) slapstick-satirical portrayal of Hitler while much of Europe was at war. Moe was not assassinated, but eaten by lions (off screen) in the end. They never used the name "Hitler" explicitly, but with the movie title, You Nazti Spy it doesn't take much reading between the lines.

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Maybe there's a film in it
by RobG on Thu 18th Dec 2014 14:10 UTC
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They could make a film about a film failed to be released due to hackers and threats.

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ezraz
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2012-06-20

you can hate the movie, hate the actors, hate the studio, hate hollywood, hate america, hate your neighbor, whatever. that's your right, vote with your cash and your voice. this is comedy and commerce.

when threats of violence, especially mass violence are made, over a piece of art i would think you would realize you don't want to be in bed with those sorts.

sad to see some people on OSNews agreeing that it's perfectly deserved to have movie goers murdered because of a sony business decision.

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Hack War?
by ezraz on Thu 18th Dec 2014 15:08 UTC
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where are the non-korean hackers on this? how about some leaks about their citizens and their companies? the ultimate hack -- get kim jung oons private emails and whereabouts.

it's probably because no one would be surprised to learn about the horribleness going on in north korea.

Escaping North Korea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufhKWfPSQOw

Vice Guide to North Korea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtuFaEy4jzE

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This isn't about Sony.
by whartung on Thu 18th Dec 2014 18:08 UTC
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This is about tort law and the market.

Sony cancelled the release after the 5 major chains cancelled the release.

Why did the 5 major chains cancel the release? Because if one nut blows up one theater, killing or injuring however many people, the lawsuits against the theater chain, and Sony, and the distribution company, would be legion.

They should have "known better", "taken precautions", "not let this happen". Suddenly the marketability of a movie that might bring in a few score million dollars gross doesn't seem like so much of a good investment.

The US Govt can take a "no negotiation with terrorists" stance, as the US Govt has a different resource model than a corporation.

With a lawsuit threat, if the corporations "were not liable" for "acts of lunatics", then their speech would be "freer". But currently, they are, so their speech is hindered.

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Comment by ilovebeer
by ilovebeer on Thu 18th Dec 2014 22:43 UTC
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Sony Pictures 0 - Cyber bullies 1

Maybe the bullies will make Sony Pictures dump that stupid Annie remake next.

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Obama's comments on it
by ezraz on Fri 19th Dec 2014 20:59 UTC
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When asked whether he thought Sony did the right thing in pulling the movie The Interview from theaters, the president spoke remarkably candidly. “Sony is a corporation, it suffered significant damage... I am sympathetic to the concerns that they faced. Having said all that ,yes, I think they made a mistake.”

“Even as we get better, the hackers are going to get better, too...we cannot have a society in which some dictator can start imposing censorship here in the United States, because if someone is going to intimidate someone from releasing a satirical move, imagine what would happen if they see a documentary they don't like, or news they don't like,” the President added, expressing concern for the idea that some movie producers might fall victim to “self-censorship” to avoid angering another country.

“That's not who we are and that's not what America is about,” Obama continued. “I'm sympathetic that Sony is a private company and they're worried about liabilities... but I wish they had talked to me first.”



Nailed it. Too bad he's powerless to do anything about it.

This might be the biggest case of cyberbullying ever, and the bully's seemingly got their way. I'd like to see what kind of response is fashioned.

Where's our hack team? I'd like to see some real bad facts hacked out of that country. People disappear, people starve, people rot in jail without trial. I don't know if they have enough electricity to digitally store all of that data, but if so I'd like to see the counter measures include some evidence to return to North Korean citizenry. There has to be an underground resistance movement there that would be interested in some outside hacks.

I'd also like to see western media make them regret ever hacking us with a slew of documentaries, comedy skits, news editorials, etc..

If I had the means I'd start Team America Part II:
http://www.virginmedia.com/images/dictators-kimjongil-590x350.jpg

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RE: Obama's comments on it
by Kochise on Fri 19th Dec 2014 22:25 UTC in reply to "Obama's comments on it"
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2006-03-03

People disappear, people starve, people rot in jail without trial.

God, one moment I thought you were speaking about North Korea.

Weren't you ?

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RE[2]: Obama's comments on it
by ezraz on Fri 19th Dec 2014 22:50 UTC in reply to "RE: Obama's comments on it"
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2012-06-20

yeah as soon as i typed that i saw the haha, that could be USA. but then again, if you are innocent and have a good lawyer you have more hope than if you are in a north korea prison.

no one is claiming USA is perfect but if you folks honestly think it's comparable to north korea i feel sorry for you, and it's pretty offensive to those suffering in n.korea to think that americans have it just as bad. that's cray cray.

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RE[3]: Obama's comments on it
by Kochise on Sat 20th Dec 2014 06:05 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Obama's comments on it"
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2006-03-03

At least in Russi... North Korea they don't trust into God so much, advocate for freedom and respect. They are honestly and openly into slavery, race distinction and exploitation. And they keep their little affairs inside their borders ;)

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RE: Obama's comments on it
by Soulbender on Sat 20th Dec 2014 06:42 UTC in reply to "Obama's comments on it"
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2005-08-18

I'd like to see some real bad facts hacked out of that country


Because they don't have computers so there's nothing to hack.

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RE[2]: Obama's comments on it
by zima on Wed 24th Dec 2014 23:59 UTC in reply to "RE: Obama's comments on it"
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2005-07-06

They have their own national intranet ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwangmyong_(network) ) and their own Linux distro ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Star_OS ). Presumably they have some computers ;)

PS. Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_People's_Study_House#Computers_and_Librarianship

Edited 2014-12-25 00:04 UTC

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What was Hollywood Thinking?
by ASmith on Sat 20th Dec 2014 01:53 UTC
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2012-02-10

Its a dangerous precedence when the Hollwood and Obama Whitehouse shills indicate its OK to make a movie depicting assassinating a current leader. It would be illegal to even write a script depicting the assassination of Obama but the idiots in Hollywood thought it was funny to do that to the existing North Korean leader whose nation is still at war with USA?

What the heck was James Flacco thinking? Much of the Interview plot lines were actual CIA attempts to assassinate Castro. Who's laughing now with Sony losing well over $100 Million in a failed film? Seth Rogan helped direct this fiasco and likely will need bodyguards for a long time in case some angry Koreans pay him a visit.

That's quite a resume for Seth Rogan as a director and a very bad precedence on what is now OK by the Obama White House who is now directly using the Sony hack exploit as the guise to slam all Internet users with a revival of the SOPA Internet Takeover punishing all global Internet Users as a result.

As the Mossad Superspy and Obama's senior Whitehouse advisor and Israeli handler did for 4 long years stated, 'Never let a large event pass without exploiting it to push your agenda down the citizens throats'.

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Misplaced Criticism
by abraxas on Mon 22nd Dec 2014 21:04 UTC
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2005-07-07

I don't get some of the criticism of the movie itself for poking fun at a dictator. I guess this is more of an American thing? I thought using comedy in this way was more universal. I'm also baffled at the level of conspiratorial nonsense espoused in this thread. Do people really believe this crap?

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