Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 9th Jun 2016 05:59 UTC
Mac OS X

It's widely expected at this point that Apple will rebrand Mac OS X to simply 'macOS' next week at WWDC, but hidden in today's announcements regarding the App Store was yet another hint at the change. In a FAQ from on the iTunes Connect website, Apple mistakenly refers to Mac OS X as 'macOS,' again prematurely hinting at the change.

I like dropping the X, but I really dislike Apple's terrible use of case. iOS is horrible enough, but tvOS, watchOS and macOS look absolutely dreadful, each a stumbling block in any sentence they appear in. Nobody with any sense of style or legibility would abuse case like that.

Not at all unlike those people who style it as 'OSnews' instead of the obviously correct and only way to style it, namely 'OSNews'. Yes, this is an internal struggle over here, and yes, this stuff matters.

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OSnews
by nicubunu on Thu 9th Jun 2016 06:23 UTC
nicubunu
Member since:
2014-01-08

If you don't want people style it as 'OSnews' then start with your logo, which clearly says 'OSnews' and is the most prominent visual on your site.
Really, if you use two different visual identities on the site, of course readers will be confused.

Reply Score: 21

RE: OSnews
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 9th Jun 2016 06:33 UTC in reply to "OSnews"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

That's the joke. That's why I referred to "internally", and not to our readers (who can and should do whatever they want).

While I am OSNews, everyone else on the team is OSnews. Of course, they are all wrong.

Reply Score: 9

RE[2]: OSnews
by flanque on Thu 9th Jun 2016 08:32 UTC in reply to "RE: OSnews"
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

Sure thing.

You get called on it, now it's just a joke.

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RE[3]: OSnews
by M.Onty on Thu 9th Jun 2016 12:20 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: OSnews"
M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23

Come on you daft bugger, it was clearly a joke.

... and yes, this stuff matters.

Mock solemnity, see?

Reply Score: 9

RE[2]: OSnews
by christian on Thu 9th Jun 2016 09:32 UTC in reply to "RE: OSnews"
christian Member since:
2005-07-06

That's the joke. That's why I referred to "internally", and not to our readers (who can and should do whatever they want).

While I am OSNews, everyone else on the team is OSnews. Of course, they are all wrong.


I just go with plain old "osnews".

Reply Score: 1

RE: OSnews
by sj87 on Thu 9th Jun 2016 06:39 UTC in reply to "OSnews"
sj87 Member since:
2007-12-16

People often mistake logos to be guidelines on how to write the names properly, although a logo is never a representation of the intended written form of the name. Logos are solely visual trademarks that allow for artistic liberties.

Edited 2016-06-09 06:39 UTC

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RE: OSnews
by tanishaj on Thu 9th Jun 2016 07:35 UTC in reply to "OSnews"
tanishaj Member since:
2010-12-22

Came here to say the exact same thing.

Also, OSNews it horrible to read. It looks much more like OSN + ews than like OS + News.

I can see the dislike for OSnews in written communication as well but it is better.

If I was emperor, I think I would mandate OS News as the proper way to refer to OS News in print.

Of course, my argument is not really about this site, which can mandate whatever it wishes, but about similar casing issues in general.

Reply Score: 4

who cares?
by unclefester on Thu 9th Jun 2016 06:53 UTC
unclefester
Member since:
2007-01-13

English didn't have standardised spelling, capitalisaion or punctuation until the 19th century. If it didn't bother Shakespeare or Milton it shouldn't really bother us.

Edited 2016-06-09 06:53 UTC

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RE: who cares?
by ilovebeer on Thu 9th Jun 2016 14:45 UTC in reply to "who cares?"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

The only thing that matters is whether or not you're able to communicate with other people. Improper capitalization of words isn't going to prevent that so I agree it's nothing to lose sleep over. I also don't give a shit what Shakespeare thought about such things so his opinions are no basis for what to think now days if you ask me.

As far as the <whatever>OS naming scheme, I think it looks and sounds dumb. Apple, is that really the best you can come up with?

Edited 2016-06-09 14:47 UTC

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: who cares?
by Can-eh-bus on Thu 9th Jun 2016 15:05 UTC in reply to "RE: who cares?"
Can-eh-bus Member since:
2016-01-16

// As far as the <whatever>OS naming scheme, I think it looks and sounds dumb. Apple, is that really the best you can come up with? //

Remind me who buys Apple products again? Like they would care anything at all about the OS naming scheme?

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RE[3]: who cares?
by ilovebeer on Fri 10th Jun 2016 05:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: who cares?"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

I doubt many people actually care about it, but that doesn't mean they can't have an opinion.

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Gargyle
Member since:
2015-03-27

I hate to see things like SecureHTTPRequest in code, because I tend to read the blocks of lowercase and the blocks of uppercase as separate words, like HTTPR and equest.

It works, though, when you camelcase proper words without any acronyms, like SecureHyperTextTransferProtocolRequest, because then there aren't any blocks of consecutive capital letters that mess with the mind.

So with that in mind, I would rather *not* write OSNews, because I don't like it. I'd rather write OS News, or even osnews when I can't be bothered with whitespace and capitalisation.

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jebb Member since:
2006-07-06

So OperatingSystemsNews. Or is it operatingSystemsNews?

Reply Score: 1

Gargyle Member since:
2015-03-27

That depends: would you choose pascal case or camel case?

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dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

Customary is, after acronyms, no Uppercase. You're right.

Reply Score: 2

dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

AlsoIfYouHaveAsingleLetterLikeThis...

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"OSnews" is right.
by sergio on Thu 9th Jun 2016 07:27 UTC
sergio
Member since:
2005-07-06

It's camel case. And it makes sense cause this is (or was haha) a tech site.

Regarding macOS... it's ok, but I think OSX or Mac OS X were better.

BTW my favorite Apple OS name is "System", System 6, System 7... super cool and simple.

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RE: "OSnews" is right.
by Gargyle on Thu 9th Jun 2016 08:51 UTC in reply to ""OSnews" is right. "
Gargyle Member since:
2015-03-27

Well no, OSnews is not proper camelcase, because for it to be proper camelcase each word should start with a capital. Since in this case (pun not intended) news does not start with a capital, it's a violation of the camelcase rules.

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RE[2]: "OSnews" is right.
by sergio on Fri 10th Jun 2016 00:57 UTC in reply to "RE: "OSnews" is right. "
sergio Member since:
2005-07-06

Well no, OSnews is not proper camelcase, because for it to be proper camelcase each word should start with a capital. Since in this case (pun not intended) news does not start with a capital, it's a violation of the camelcase rules.


Yeap, you are right, but hey if We follow camel casing rules strictly it must be: OsNews

Sucks. xD

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RE: "OSnews" is right.
by lucas_maximus on Thu 9th Jun 2016 14:07 UTC in reply to ""OSnews" is right. "
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

PascalCase

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RE: "OSnews" is right.
by cfgr on Thu 9th Jun 2016 15:09 UTC in reply to ""OSnews" is right. "
cfgr Member since:
2009-07-18

Everyone should stop complaining and simply use os_news, it's much more readable*!

(*) https://whathecode.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/camelcase-vs-underscores...

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RE: "OSnews" is right.
by feamatar on Thu 9th Jun 2016 20:49 UTC in reply to ""OSnews" is right. "
feamatar Member since:
2014-02-25

I agree, System 6, 7... was the best.

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RE: "OSnews" is right.
by dionicio on Thu 9th Jun 2016 21:58 UTC in reply to ""OSnews" is right. "
dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

Like diversity in opinion, Sergio.
As for me, the new macOS brings trademark integrity, and -developer|user side- intergenerational continuity.

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RE[2]: "OSnews" is right.
by sergio on Fri 10th Jun 2016 00:47 UTC in reply to "RE: "OSnews" is right. "
sergio Member since:
2005-07-06

Like diversity in opinion, Sergio.
As for me, the new macOS brings trademark integrity, and -developer|user side- intergenerational continuity.


I agree, macOS makes sense, it's ok.

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: "OSnews" is right.
by Brendan on Sat 11th Jun 2016 09:09 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: "OSnews" is right. "
Brendan Member since:
2005-11-16

"Like diversity in opinion, Sergio.
As for me, the new macOS brings trademark integrity, and -developer|user side- intergenerational continuity.


I agree, macOS makes sense, it's ok.
"

..and the server version can be "Big Mac OS"!

- Brendan

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How was it pronounced though?
by Neil on Thu 9th Jun 2016 07:33 UTC
Neil
Member since:
2011-11-28

OSX or OS ten

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RE: How was it pronounced though?
by Macrat on Thu 9th Jun 2016 12:51 UTC in reply to "How was it pronounced though?"
Macrat Member since:
2006-03-27

OSX or OS ten


Yes.

Reply Score: 8

ThomasFuhringer
Member since:
2007-01-25

Could not agree more with you. Actually I think Jobs would scream and yell at them if they came up with this spelling.
And to me it should read 'OS News', naturally. Think of how awkward it would be to switch to 'NYTimes'.

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ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

I would prefer "os_news", but yes, I know that would be very unpopular.

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It matters?
by avgalen on Thu 9th Jun 2016 07:49 UTC
avgalen
Member since:
2010-09-23

Yes, this is an internal struggle over here, and yes, this stuff matters.

Too bad stuff like that matters, but you have "Preview Comment" right next to "Submit comment" after clicking "Post a Comment" and "Edit comment" and plenty of articles about 'every OS sucks because it is inconsistent'

I am sure you can bugfix this incredible overside before the next such article. I am also sure it should be OS-News, OS-news, OS News or OS news but surely not OSnews or OSNews so you are all wrong

Edited 2016-06-09 07:50 UTC

Reply Score: 4

Comment by wigry
by wigry on Thu 9th Jun 2016 08:04 UTC
wigry
Member since:
2008-10-09

Now that there is macOS, tvOS and watchOS, I would really like the iOS to be rebranded as phoneOS

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RE: Comment by wigry
by fx__ on Thu 9th Jun 2016 09:14 UTC in reply to "Comment by wigry"
fx__ Member since:
2006-03-31

Shouldn't macOS have to be rebranded computerOS then aswell?

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Comment by wigry
by tonyyeb on Thu 9th Jun 2016 13:31 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by wigry"
tonyyeb Member since:
2007-12-02

Shouldn't macOS have to be rebranded computerOS then aswell?


Not really:

tvOS is for Apple TV
watchOS is for Apple Watch
phoneOS would be for Apple iPhone

So that means macOS would be for Apple Macs. They are all computers at heart in some shape or form.

Edited 2016-06-09 13:32 UTC

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: Comment by wigry
by Chrispynutt on Thu 9th Jun 2016 13:46 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by wigry"
Chrispynutt Member since:
2012-03-14

Nope, iPad and iPod Touch too.

Thats why its iOS = iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch

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RE[4]: Comment by wigry
by tonyyeb on Thu 9th Jun 2016 14:54 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by wigry"
tonyyeb Member since:
2007-12-02

Nope, iPad and iPod Touch too.

Thats why its iOS = iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch


Sorted...

padOS
podOS

Reply Score: 2

RE[4]: Comment by wigry
by BlueofRainbow on Thu 9th Jun 2016 17:47 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by wigry"
BlueofRainbow Member since:
2009-01-06

How about the iMac?

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RE[5]: Comment by wigry
by DeepThought on Fri 10th Jun 2016 14:09 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by wigry"
DeepThought Member since:
2010-07-17

How about the iMac?


They simply merge iOS with macOS. No touch, sorry :-)

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Comment by wigry
by sergio on Fri 10th Jun 2016 00:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by wigry"
sergio Member since:
2005-07-06

Shouldn't macOS have to be rebranded computerOS then aswell?


computerOS rules!! I love that name.

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: Comment by wigry
by Sidux on Fri 10th Jun 2016 05:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by wigry"
Sidux Member since:
2015-03-10

Apple coming down to the generic computer market? They've branded and marketed the mac name to no ends.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Comment by wigry
by ThomasFuhringer on Fri 10th Jun 2016 07:55 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by wigry"
ThomasFuhringer Member since:
2007-01-25

Right. And Apple should be renamed computerCOMPANY.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Comment by wigry
by dpJudas on Thu 9th Jun 2016 11:13 UTC in reply to "Comment by wigry"
dpJudas Member since:
2009-12-10

Now that there is macOS, tvOS and watchOS, I would really like the iOS to be rebranded as phoneOS

Except that iOS is also used for tablets..

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Comment by wigry
by chrish on Thu 9th Jun 2016 12:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by wigry"
chrish Member since:
2005-07-14

featurelessglassslabOS?

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RE: Comment by wigry
by CaptainN- on Fri 10th Jun 2016 19:09 UTC in reply to "Comment by wigry"
CaptainN- Member since:
2005-07-07

The issue there is that iOS runs on the phone and tablets (previously iPods too - and Apple has a history of resurrecting old brands periodically - see Mac Book). They'd have to fork that to be consistent. They are already two different publish targets, so maybe they will.

I keep wondering when they'll rebrand all their "i" stuff - Apple Pad, Apple Phone.

iOS renaming is trickier - would it become two - phoneOS, padOS (maybe ipodOS or musicOS/tunesOS). Harder to do since it's all one platform. Could be simply mobileOS, portableOS.

Reply Score: 2

This stuff matters?
by charlieg on Thu 9th Jun 2016 08:22 UTC
charlieg
Member since:
2005-07-25

First world problems, buddy.

It doesn't matter at all, really. It's almost irrelevant to anybody who has real problems in life. It's just a brand. It's just letters on a screen.

Reply Score: 4

RE: This stuff matters?
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 9th Jun 2016 08:24 UTC in reply to "This stuff matters?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

First world problems, buddy.


The entire tech sector is one big, endless first world problem.

Reply Score: 3

RE[2]: This stuff matters?
by p13. on Thu 9th Jun 2016 11:00 UTC in reply to "RE: This stuff matters?"
p13. Member since:
2005-07-10

lol did you really just delete my comment?

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: This stuff matters?
by charlieg on Thu 9th Jun 2016 11:43 UTC in reply to "RE: This stuff matters?"
charlieg Member since:
2005-07-25

Er? No. People need technology for their jobs, all the way from end users down to those digging in the dirt to get the materials to build them. The tech sector is incredibly important to humanity, and it's effects on the world range from awe inspiring and revolutionary to depressing (environmental damage).

To say the tech sector is a first world problem as a retort to me dismissing the your claim that the capitalization of a brand "matters" is, frankly, quite eye opening to your lack of perspective.

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RE[3]: This stuff matters?
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 9th Jun 2016 11:48 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: This stuff matters?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

To say the tech sector is a first world problem as a retort to me dismissing the your claim that the capitalization of a brand "matters" is, frankly, quite eye opening to your lack of perspective.


Considering you're the person responding so seriously to a silly topic, you might not want to throw so many stones in your glass house.

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RE[3]: This stuff matters?
by dionicio on Thu 9th Jun 2016 22:10 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: This stuff matters?"
dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

"...to depressing (environmental damage)." A lot more more depressing to Them is the rapacity over their economic and politic systems.

After plunder and abandonment those populations struggle to stand up again, on their own feet.

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: This stuff matters?
by kristoph on Thu 9th Jun 2016 13:33 UTC in reply to "RE: This stuff matters?"
kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

No, not really.

Sure an enormous amount of research ( and hence money ) goes into ridiculous stuff like figuring out how best to show you more ads you are likely to click on but there is also really tangible research that will profoundly reshape the world as we know it.

Consider how significantly the job market will change with the advent of self driving vehicles alone - and not just for the first world, the whole world.

K

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OSnews
by oskeladden on Thu 9th Jun 2016 08:35 UTC
oskeladden
Member since:
2009-08-05

Or you could return to 19th naming norms, and call yourselves "The Personal Computer, Smartphone, and Electronic Device Operating System News, Analysis, and Information Website".

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RE: OSnews
by tonyyeb on Thu 9th Jun 2016 13:34 UTC in reply to "OSnews"
tonyyeb Member since:
2007-12-02

Or you could return to 19th naming norms, and call yourselves "The Personal Computer, Smartphone, and Electronic Device Operating System News, Analysis, and Information Website".


You forgot "Ye Olde"...

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RE[2]: OSnews
by rleigh on Thu 9th Jun 2016 23:01 UTC in reply to "RE: OSnews"
rleigh Member since:
2014-11-15

Back then it was "Þe Olde"!

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Movie
by fretinator on Thu 9th Jun 2016 14:14 UTC
fretinator
Member since:
2005-07-06

It reminds me of that movie, "Dude, where's my camel?"

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end to the madness
by Adurbe on Thu 9th Jun 2016 14:21 UTC
Adurbe
Member since:
2005-07-06

I dont think I could cope with the current naming much longer

OS 10.11 or OSX.11 ?!?!?

if you are going to use Roman numerals, USE THEM

OSX.XI done....

But Romans didn't have decimals... I give up

Edited 2016-06-09 14:23 UTC

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RE: end to the madness
by phoenix on Thu 9th Jun 2016 19:13 UTC in reply to "end to the madness"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

I dont think I could cope with the current naming much longer

OS 10.11 or OSX.11 ?!?!?

if you are going to use Roman numerals, USE THEM

OSX.XI done....

But Romans didn't have decimals... I give up


Except that the X was part of the name, not the version number: MacOS X 10.11

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RE[2]: end to the madness
by DeepThought on Fri 10th Jun 2016 14:10 UTC in reply to "RE: end to the madness"
DeepThought Member since:
2010-07-17

I was told the "X" comes from the Unix-like base (Mach).
So they kick out the Mach-kernel for macOS ?!

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RE[3]: end to the madness
by FlyingJester on Mon 13th Jun 2016 17:00 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: end to the madness"
FlyingJester Member since:
2016-05-11

No, the X is because it followed OS 9. The X used to stand for 'ten', and originally some people (including the Verge) insisted OS X was pronounced "Oh Ess Ten".

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newsOS
by Carewolf on Thu 9th Jun 2016 14:40 UTC
Carewolf
Member since:
2005-09-08

As long as you don't call it newsOS..

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OSmac?
by s3cr3to on Thu 9th Jun 2016 16:25 UTC
s3cr3to
Member since:
2010-01-12

OSmac (looks good)

and for the winXmalware:
FAILxwin, FAIL10os, MALW10, MALWx, SPYxos, SPYwinX

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Isn't Apple a fashion/lifestyle company now?
by gan17 on Thu 9th Jun 2016 16:34 UTC
gan17
Member since:
2008-06-03

Isn't Apple a fashion/lifestyle company now? They could've named it HermesBSD. Jony would love it.

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dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

Happier the World if that where the case, gan17.

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Search Engines
by Kancept on Thu 9th Jun 2016 17:33 UTC
Kancept
Member since:
2006-01-09

It's all a lot easier to search for than OS/2, especially back in the early days of search engines. Basically, BeOS got the order correct.

Reply Score: 1

Comment by Mr. Dee
by Mr. Dee on Thu 9th Jun 2016 18:20 UTC
Mr. Dee
Member since:
2005-11-13

I have been reading O-Snews for a years now.

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Comment by dionicio
by dionicio on Thu 9th Jun 2016 21:38 UTC
dionicio
Member since:
2006-07-12

This says it all about Apple 'abandoning' desktop:

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/8_qBkZMBdsAk9QtdYGZCeYIKcyY=/cdn0.v...

Reply Score: 2

v Thom + Apple
by Meor on Fri 10th Jun 2016 00:55 UTC
RE: Thom + Apple
by Sidux on Fri 10th Jun 2016 05:22 UTC in reply to "Thom + Apple"
Sidux Member since:
2015-03-10

Branding is in Linux too. Iceweasel, beryl, jenkins are just a few that come to my mind.

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Comment by neticspace
by neticspace on Fri 10th Jun 2016 02:54 UTC
neticspace
Member since:
2009-06-09

Still waiting for that microkernel operating system that Apple promised +10 years ago.

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RE: Comment by neticspace
by henderson101 on Fri 10th Jun 2016 07:42 UTC in reply to "Comment by neticspace"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Why?

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Since Apple knows best
by weckart on Fri 10th Jun 2016 11:33 UTC
weckart
Member since:
2006-01-11

osNEWS it is.

Reply Score: 1

Camel Case
by uridium on Sat 11th Jun 2016 10:37 UTC
uridium
Member since:
2009-08-20

zOMGF! I get it! Apple must have invented CamelCasingStuff!11

Quick! Patent it!

Reply Score: 1

iSys
by SitrucKram on Mon 13th Jun 2016 14:12 UTC
SitrucKram
Member since:
2013-12-02

I liked the name 'iSys'. Oh, wait...

Reply Score: 1

Apple Mobile Price in India
by sunnymr on Mon 13th Jun 2016 16:56 UTC
sunnymr
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2016-06-13

Check this link

www.mysmartprice.com/mobile/pricelist/apple-mobile-price-list-in-india .html

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