Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 20th Oct 2016 10:08 UTC
Apple

iMore's Rene Ritchie, linked by Daring Fireball's John Gruber:

So, everyone who'd been criticizing Apple and iPhone design immediately called Google out for aping it?

Not so much.

Except, every Pixel review did call Google out for this.

Surely they drew the line at Google's 2016 flagship missing optical image stabilization - not just in the regular-size, but in the Plus XL model as well - stereo speakers, and water resistance - things that were pointed to last year as indicators Apple was falling behind?

Turns out, not deal-breakers either.

Except, every Pixel review did call Google out for this. Here's a quick cut/paste image job I did yesterday, highlighting how Pixel reviews did, in fact, call out Google and the Pixel for the things Ritchie claims they are not calling them out for.

It's almost like the Pixel is being graded on a curve.

When you're as deeply enveloped in the Apple bubble as people like Rene Ritchie and John Gruber, reality inside the bubble starts folding in on itself. You sit deep inside your bubble, and when you look outwards, the curves and bends of the bubble's surface twist and turn reality outside of the bubble into ever more grotesque and malformed versions of it.

Ever since the unveiling of the Pixel up to and including the reviews published yesterday, everybody in the technology media has been pointing out the exact same things Ritchie claims are not being pointed out. The amount of mental gymnastics and selective perception one must undertake - one could call such exercises flat-out lies - to claim that the major technology media is "against Apple" or "grading [the Pixel] on a curve" is so humongous that I honestly didn't think it was realistically and humanly possible.

And I say this as someone who once got a flood of really nasty and angry emails because OSNews had not yet separated the FreeBSD category and its icon from the generic BSD category, so FreeBSD and Dragonfly BSD people alike were furious at me for putting a Dragonfly BSD story in the generic BSD category because it had a FreeBSD icon. I've been around the block when it comes to the kind of reality-warping, deeply idiotic bullshit the technology world can conjure up over absolutely nothing.

When I was 17, I went on a trip to Rome, the most beautiful city in the world. As I stood atop the dome of St. Peter's Basilica, looking down upon the countless tourists swarming St. Peter's Square, I realised how easy it would be to lose touch with the people down there if you spent most of your time up here.

The bubble is no different.

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Missing the point
by pmac on Thu 20th Oct 2016 11:58 UTC
pmac
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I think you're missing the point. He's saying that the people who criticised the iPhone for missing certain features are totally fine with those same features being missing from the Pixel. Merely mentioning the absence of a feature is not the same as trashing a phone because of it. Many of these reviewers are saying that the Pixel is great (and it seems to be), but the ones who have been vocal critics of the iPhone for not having these features look a bit biased and silly when all they do in their Pixel reviews is mention the missing features, but then go on to say that the Pixel is great nonetheless. They can't have it both ways, and it's entirely reasonable for Rene Ritchie to call them out on it. Put your handbag down.

Edited 2016-10-20 11:59 UTC

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RE: Missing the point
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 20th Oct 2016 12:06 UTC in reply to "Missing the point"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Yeah, no. This, too, is completely out of touch with reality.

The iPhone 7 (and earlier!) reviews from the very same sites call it the best phone on the market, and compare the Pixel TO the iPhone 7, because they consider the iPhone 7 (and earlier) the gold standard for mobile phones.

So no, the reality of the Pixel and iPhone reviews simply does not line up with the fairy tale world Ritchie et al. live in.

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RE[2]: Missing the point
by pmac on Thu 20th Oct 2016 12:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Missing the point"
pmac Member since:
2009-07-08

That's just not true.

http://www.knowyourmobile.com/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s7/23461...

http://www.knowyourmobile.com/mobile-phones/google-nexus-2016-phone...

I don't know what to tell someone who is presented with facts, and responds with insults rather than conceding they were wrong. It's all very Trumpian.

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RE[3]: Missing the point
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 20th Oct 2016 13:13 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Missing the point"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You're surprised an article titled "six reasons I'm excited about..." doesn't contain reasons why the author is NOT excited about ... ?

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v RE[4]: Missing the point
by pmac on Thu 20th Oct 2016 13:21 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Missing the point"
RE[3]: Missing the point
by Alfman on Thu 20th Oct 2016 14:32 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Missing the point"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

pmac,

I don't know what to tell someone who is presented with facts, and responds with insults rather than conceding they were wrong. It's all very Trumpian.


Haha, I just have to laugh at the contexts in which "Trump" is starting to be used in this way. It could actually catch on: "being a Trump" may become synonymous with someone who blames everyone else for all his problems.

Example sentence: The man who lost the election is such a Trump.

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RE: Missing the point
by jbauer on Thu 20th Oct 2016 12:52 UTC in reply to "Missing the point"
jbauer Member since:
2005-07-06

I think you're missing the point. He's saying that the people who criticised the iPhone for missing certain features are totally fine with those same features being missing from the Pixel. Merely mentioning the absence of a feature is not the same as trashing a phone because of it. Many of these reviewers are saying that the Pixel is great (and it seems to be), but the ones who have been vocal critics of the iPhone for not having these features look a bit biased and silly when all they do in their Pixel reviews is mention the missing features, but then go on to say that the Pixel is great nonetheless. They can't have it both ways, and it's entirely reasonable for Rene Ritchie to call them out on it. Put your handbag down.


I kinda agree with that. Leave Note 7 fires aside for a moment (hahaha) and Imagine Samsung releasing a flagship phone in 2016 without wireless charging, water resistance, expandable storage, and the Pixel's bland design with pitiful display-to-body ratio.

Would they get away with it?

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RE[2]: Missing the point
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 20th Oct 2016 13:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Missing the point"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Would they get away with it?


But the Pixel didn't get away with it at all. All of these points were mentioned - often at length - in EVERY review.

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RE[3]: Missing the point
by jbauer on Thu 20th Oct 2016 13:15 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Missing the point"
jbauer Member since:
2005-07-06

"Would they get away with it?


But the Pixel didn't get away with it at all. All of these points were mentioned - often at length - in EVERY review.
"

And yet they're all glowing reviews (best Android phone ever!). So those points are mentioned in the reviews, but don't carry any weight in the final outcome. To me, that's definitely getting away with it.

Of course we'll never know but I very much doubt that would be the case if the Pixel wasn't a Google phone.

Edited 2016-10-20 13:16 UTC

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RE[4]: Missing the point
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 20th Oct 2016 13:16 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Missing the point"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

And yet they're all glowing reviews (best Android phone ever!)


Key operator: Android. Did any of the big tech sites claim it was better than the iPhone?

Edited 2016-10-20 13:16 UTC

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RE[5]: Missing the point
by zdzichu on Thu 20th Oct 2016 19:12 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Missing the point"
zdzichu Member since:
2006-11-07

The jbauer's comment was about theoretical Samsung flagship (Android), not about iPhone.

Edited 2016-10-20 19:12 UTC

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RE[5]: Missing the point
by mkone on Thu 20th Oct 2016 19:23 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Missing the point"
mkone Member since:
2006-03-14

"And yet they're all glowing reviews (best Android phone ever!)


Key operator: Android. Did any of the big tech sites claim it was better than the iPhone?
"

Besides the point! This isn't about comparing it to an iPhone. it is about how it's flaws are minimised on the way to declaring it the best Android Phone ever.

Do you think Samsung could release the Pixel today and have it declared the best Android phone ever?

Without water resistance, OIS, stereo speakers etc?

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RE[6]: Missing the point
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 20th Oct 2016 19:34 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Missing the point"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

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Key operator: Android. Did any of the big tech sites claim it was better than the iPhone?


Besides the point! This isn't about comparing it to an iPhone. it is about how it's flaws are minimised on the way to declaring it the best Android Phone ever.

Do you think Samsung could release the Pixel today and have it declared the best Android phone ever?

Without water resistance, OIS, stereo speakers etc?
"

No, because if it were a Samsung phone, it would not get updates, it would be slower, it would have terrible software, and it wouldn't have the Google Assistant.

It's like you people don't seem to understand that just because the Pixel lacks features A, B, and C, doesn't mean it can't make up for it with features X, Y, and Z.

This isn't rocket science.

Edited 2016-10-20 19:34 UTC

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RE[7]: Missing the point
by jbauer on Fri 21st Oct 2016 11:17 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Missing the point"
jbauer Member since:
2005-07-06

"[q]

Key operator: Android. Did any of the big tech sites claim it was better than the iPhone?


Besides the point! This isn't about comparing it to an iPhone. it is about how it's flaws are minimised on the way to declaring it the best Android Phone ever.

Do you think Samsung could release the Pixel today and have it declared the best Android phone ever?

Without water resistance, OIS, stereo speakers etc?
"

No, because if it were a Samsung phone, it would not get updates, it would be slower, it would have terrible software, and it wouldn't have the Google Assistant.

It's like you people don't seem to understand that just because the Pixel lacks features A, B, and C, doesn't mean it can't make up for it with features X, Y, and Z.

This isn't rocket science. [/q]


Terrible software... right. Until those features get into Google's Android. Then they become awesome.

Kinda reminds me of Apple, alright. It's never needed or good until they're the ones doing it.

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RE[5]: Missing the point
by drstorm on Fri 21st Oct 2016 21:29 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Missing the point"
drstorm Member since:
2009-04-24

Key operator

Key word? Operative word? ;)

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RE[4]: Missing the point
by nej_simon on Fri 21st Oct 2016 06:49 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Missing the point"
nej_simon Member since:
2011-02-11

And yet they're all glowing reviews (best Android phone ever!). So those points are mentioned in the reviews, but don't carry any weight in the final outcome. To me, that's definitely getting away with it.


Iphone 7 didn't get glowing reviews?

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RE[5]: Missing the point
by jbauer on Fri 21st Oct 2016 10:50 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Missing the point"
jbauer Member since:
2005-07-06

" And yet they're all glowing reviews (best Android phone ever!). So those points are mentioned in the reviews, but don't carry any weight in the final outcome. To me, that's definitely getting away with it.


Iphone 7 didn't get glowing reviews?
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Yeah. That's the point. Both are getting away with it when others wouldn't because of the power of the brand.

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RE[4]: Missing the point
by l3v1 on Fri 21st Oct 2016 12:09 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Missing the point"
l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

To me, that's definitely getting away with it.


Funny, since from all the articles I've read what I took away is every Android fan should buy the Pixel, that Pixel is the best Android phone up to now, and the Pixel might be the best choice for someone wanting to convert from iPhone. I don't remember even one talking about Pixel being better than the iP7.

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They are quoting Trump
by rjamorim on Thu 20th Oct 2016 12:24 UTC
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2005-12-05

The media is totally rigged!

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Comment by dionicio
by dionicio on Thu 20th Oct 2016 14:42 UTC
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2006-07-12

"...As I stood atop the dome of St. Peter's Basilica, looking down upon.."

;D

Saint Peter's Bubble DO ACTUALLY exists. Missions where created long ago to mitigate that.

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The Bubble
by FuriousGeorge on Thu 20th Oct 2016 16:37 UTC
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2010-08-26

We can nit-pick examples from various reviews, but for whatever this IT professional and Android/Windows user's experience and 'anecdata' are worth, Thom's overarching point seems so obvious as to almost not need mentioning.

Android users and reviewers don't seem to be drinking the cool-aid to the same extent as their Apple using peers.

I can't comment on the youth, where I'm sure fanboyism is rampant on both sides. On a professional and personal level, I see how people from their 30s (like myself) to 60s interact with technology.

iPhone is more than technology to them. It is the thing that brought technology to them. Many times these are people who on a fundamental level do not understand 'computing'.

They've been using computers when they had to since the 90s, but in the worst cases they will put a URL in the 'search' field when directed over the phone to go to a URL in IE, then read you back the Google search results verbatim, and with a tone of annoyance like they're not the problem. The ones who are better than that are not much better, though they often think they are.

Now they can install programs, and download and listen to music, or watch videos, like many of their peers could since Napster. You'd never catch them on a laptop ten years ago, now they are one with the internet via their phones. There is something romantic about this. After all, this was always Apple's raison d'etre, and they achieved it in a very real sense.

Then there is the dark side to it. It has become a status symbol, and for it's users that is often it's real raison d'etre, which can never be acknowledged. Between this and the aforementioned romantic attachment, the idea it is not 'the best' is unthinkable. Call it 'myside bias'. It is pervasive, and at times it can manifest as ugly elitism.

I try to stay out of the flame wares, but I know enough to know that android has a ~5:1 market share advantage, due largely to the variety of price ranges it offers. I once mentioned that, including the caveat, to an older associate who is one of the non-technical people I referred to above. He'd had a few too many, and all he understood was 'the IT guy is saying Apple is not the best.' I saw him go from incredulous, to angry; with me, android, and (strangely) the surface pro.

His problem was really cognitive dissonance, resulting from biases he does not even know he has.

Ironically, he need not fret. iPhone really is the 'best phone' for him.

But where does he get this from? Nowhere? Is my anecdote an isolated incident? I think not.

This attitude is reflected in the media, and it is in no small part propagated by great Apple marketing and PR (some would say 'Psy-Ops').

Isn't this obvious?

I think it's based on the same irrationality as being a sports fan. For instance. I live outside NYC. I'm a Jets fan. Why don't I switch teams? Because they're the best, duh! Even when they are objectively not.

Ultimately, everyone's biased. I'm also biased. Maybe my bias causes me to believe that overall this kind of user is more common on the apple side, but ultimately I think it has to do with the ethos of the company.

You can think of it as an spectrum. Put apple on one side, windows in the middle, and *nix on the other side.

Sure, simplicity is elegant, but it must incur a power penalty, because with great power comes great complexity. That doesn't mean complex things are powerful, but it does mean powerful things are more complex than their less powerful conterparts.

It really depends on the individual person, and where they draw the line, because it really is reflected in the respective OSs.

My concern for apple is in the coming generation. Now that people are growing up with tablets, they are understanding how to interact with technology more fundamentally (in some ways, certainly not when it comes to servicing hardware). I think these people will prefer more flexibility and options to a more simple and controlled experience.

But apple will always have the best OS for certain people in the respect I've detailed above, and I'm sure many others, until one day something else comes around and it isn't.

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RE: The Bubble
by dionicio on Thu 20th Oct 2016 19:32 UTC in reply to "The Bubble"
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2006-07-12

Well chewed. Thanks, FuriousGeorge

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RE: The Bubble
by fmaxwell on Sat 22nd Oct 2016 02:49 UTC in reply to "The Bubble"
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2005-11-13

On a professional and personal level, I see how people from their 30s (like myself) to 60s interact with technology.

iPhone is more than technology to them. It is the thing that brought technology to them. Many times these are people who on a fundamental level do not understand 'computing'.


Thanks so much for clarifying why a 55 year old technical illiterate like myself, who began doing real-time, multitasking embedded system development in assembly language in 1980 and had an engineering career that spanned more than three decades, would gravitate to the iPhone. I guess that also applies to the iPhone wielding engineers and scientists I worked with when building, testing, and launching satellites and a space probe that's doing science in the asterold belt.

It's just nice to know that Apple makes products that even we can muddle through using.

Edited 2016-10-22 02:51 UTC

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RE[2]: The Bubble
by Dreadrik on Mon 24th Oct 2016 10:44 UTC in reply to "RE: The Bubble"
Dreadrik Member since:
2015-09-23

Haha, I agree so much with this.
It's like some Android advocates simply cannot comprehend that many iPhone users are very technical indeed, but that the ability to customise and modify a mobile phone isn't even remotely interesting for most of us.
I've been a professional developer for over 20 years now, but I've stopped building my own computers long ago and have also gone from c64 to Amiga to Windows, beOS and linux and am now using macOS and an iPhone. Probably only because they are status symbols and I'm technically illiterate. Right? :-)

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RE[3]: The Bubble
by fmaxwell on Mon 24th Oct 2016 13:03 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: The Bubble"
fmaxwell Member since:
2005-11-13

It's like some Android advocates simply cannot comprehend that many iPhone users are very technical indeed, but that the ability to customise and modify a mobile phone isn't even remotely interesting for most of us.


Exactly. My smartphone is a tool, not a hobby. I value reliability, build quality, security, and performance and could not care less about widgets and alternate launchers. I want OS upgrades as soon as they come out -- not months later. I want a single vendor for the OS and hardware so that I don't have to deal with finger-pointing should a problem arise. I want carry-in service anywhere I might travel.

Probably only because they are status symbols and I'm technically illiterate. Right? :-)


Or you're a teenage girl. Or you're a hipster. Or you are elderly and technically challenged. Or you're an "iSheep." Their list of contradictory insults just goes on and on.

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RE[3]: The Bubble
by dionicio on Mon 24th Oct 2016 15:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: The Bubble"
dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

"... On a professional and personal level, I see how people from their 30s (like myself)..."

FuriousGeorge was also being anecdotal, as We, Dreadrik. Also agreeing with Fxmawell's and Your Scenario.

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You earned your stripes
by CaptainN- on Thu 20th Oct 2016 18:34 UTC
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2005-07-07

"When you're as deeply enveloped in the Apple bubble as people like Rene Ritchie and John Gruber, reality inside the bubble starts folding in on itself. You sit deep inside your bubble, and when you look outwards, the curves and bends of the bubble's surface twist and turn reality outside of the bubble into ever more grotesque and malformed versions of it."

You earned your stripes with that one! :-)

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Little I have read about Pixel...
by dionicio on Fri 21st Oct 2016 19:47 UTC
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2006-07-12

But easier to say that Pixel IS NOT Android. Than the other way. Heartily wishing Pixel progressively becomes a POLICY.

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