Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 31st Oct 2016 14:02 UTC
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Although I can't switch wholesale just yet, I see no real reason why I can't use Elementary for around 80% of the stuff I do - probably even more with a few adjustments on my part.

And that, in and by itself, should tell you how much Apple has dropped the ball here.

The endless stream of articles and tweets from longtime Apple users now looking elsewhere is staggering.

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Comment by pmac
by pmac on Mon 31st Oct 2016 14:11 UTC
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RE: Comment by pmac
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 31st Oct 2016 14:15 UTC in reply to "Comment by pmac"
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2005-06-29

Pretty sure that's what BlackBerry thought, too.

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RE[2]: Comment by pmac
by winter skies on Mon 31st Oct 2016 15:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by pmac"
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2009-08-21

Pretty sure Blackberry had never had a cult following remotely comparable to Apple, but, other than that, I completely agree with Thom on the state of the Mac.

And that makes me sad as the owner of a 15" rMBP (2015).
I am beginning to worry about software makers gradually abandoning the platform as professionals in need of powerful hardware look elsewhere. I guess Adobe will stay a little longer, but once it becomes unjustifiable to keep developing AutoCAD or C4D (and VRay) for macOS, then I'll need to leave. I hate Apple for wasting the immense potential of its own OS.

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RE[3]: Comment by pmac
by Adurbe on Mon 31st Oct 2016 15:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by pmac"
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2005-07-06

I think you underestimate why they were called crackberries ;)

Also don't forget, this is the SECOND time Apple have been a massive company with a "cult following". Those cultists all left in the 90s (I was the only person I knew with a Mac in those days). All empires fall.

Edited 2016-10-31 15:51 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by pmac
by winter skies on Mon 31st Oct 2016 16:14 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by pmac"
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2009-08-21

You're right, I'm probably not putting things in perspective enough.
I suppose that when the tide changes on the Verge the spell will be broken. ;) Let's see how it goes.

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RE[5]: Comment by pmac
by dukes on Mon 31st Oct 2016 17:05 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by pmac"
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2005-07-06

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I suppose that when the tide changes on the Verge the spell will be broken. ;) Let's see how it goes.


It pretty much has already started on the Verge. There were some fairly recent articles denouncing/questioning Apple's tactics (see: headphone jack). Apple also mysteriously poached an Editor from The Verge which prompted a public posting.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/23/13036012/a-note-from-the-editor-i...

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v RE[2]: Comment by pmac
by pmac on Mon 31st Oct 2016 16:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by pmac"
RE[3]: Comment by pmac
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 31st Oct 2016 17:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by pmac"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

If you think Apple is going the way of Blackberry then I can do nothing but laugh at you.


Except, that's not at all what I said. As usual, you're putting words into my mouth.

This coming from the same guy who thinks: 'you can expect the first "iOS" MacBook within 1-2 years.'


We're about... 2-3 months into that? Meanwhile, in those 2-3 months, Apple put an iOS device inside the MacBook Pro with its own display. Just saying.

Again, all I can do is laugh.


Oh you're no the only one laughing, kiddo.

Edited 2016-10-31 17:18 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by pmac
by Drumhellar on Mon 31st Oct 2016 22:05 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by pmac"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

Meanwhile, in those 2-3 months, Apple put an iOS device inside the MacBook Pro with its own display. Just saying.


I think you're over-stating the intent of this "iOS" device. It isn't really even appropriate to call it an iOS device since A) watchOS is not iOS any more than iOS is macOS (similar, but not the same), and B) This isn't even quite watchOS.

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RE[3]: Comment by pmac
by unclefester on Tue 1st Nov 2016 08:27 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by pmac"
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2007-01-13

Apple was less than a month from bankruptcy in 1997. The only reason Apple is still around is a $150m cash injection by MS.

It will only take a couple of lacklustre quarters of iPhone sales for Apple to be in serious trouble again. Investors will sell as soon as revenue growth stops.

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RE[4]: Comment by pmac
by leos on Tue 1st Nov 2016 16:16 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by pmac"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

Apple was less than a month from bankruptcy in 1997. The only reason Apple is still around is a $150m cash injection by MS.

It will only take a couple of lacklustre quarters of iPhone sales for Apple to be in serious trouble again. Investors will sell as soon as revenue growth stops.


I like the part where you don't understand how companies work.

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RE[3]: Comment by pmac
by avgalen on Tue 1st Nov 2016 08:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by pmac"
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2010-09-23

Thom must have been drinking too much when he said 'you can expect the first "iOS" MacBook within 1-2 years.'

....everyone knows they aren't going to make/update any macBook for at least 2 years now ;)

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RE[2]: Comment by pmac
by avgalen on Tue 1st Nov 2016 08:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by pmac"
avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

pmac has a point though. You literally had 6 articles following each other (only interrupted by a Dtrace blurb) that mentioned how Apple is not in touch with pro's anymore.

The first two of those were about the Microsoft and Apple event so they were expected. A third one analyzing, detailing and comparing them was also expected. But by the time we reached 4, 5 and 6 it was more like you were following links on the web about this topic and posting the more interesting ones here as you went along.

That said, I do agree that Apple isn't in touch with what Pro's want anymore, but a bit more criticism about a 3000 dollar machine with 8 GB of memory and no USB-C/Thunderbolt would have been appreciated. (And how much SSD does that hybrid drive actually have?)

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Secure ?
by bugjacobs on Wed 2nd Nov 2016 04:20 UTC
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2009-01-03

Someone claimed to me that ElementaryOS was mostly a gui showcase OS and not secure enough for real use ?

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I love Elementary OS
by w00ter on Fri 4th Nov 2016 16:01 UTC
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2005-06-30

In the last 14+ years I have followed and tested many Linux distro's and many DE's. It is Elementary OS that finally makes me feel comfortable.

It is currently the only DE that I find pretty and intuitive enough for daily use. Their focus on UI minimalism and usability is certainly one of the main reasons.

I can never get used to OSX, and still wonder why certain features are still lacking, that even Windows has had since Windows 98.

/rant

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