Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 14th Mar 2017 19:30 UTC
Window Managers

Window Maker 0.95.8 has been released. It contains a number of changes related to window snapping and quite a number of other changes for what is supposedly a point release.

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Comment by mlankton
by mlankton on Tue 14th Mar 2017 20:32 UTC
mlankton
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2009-06-11

I submitted the GTK style for WM, what seems like a lifetime ago. I actually like the LiveCD distro. Good to see it still around, but at the same time it saddens me that the dream of a NeXT desktop in X never really came to fruition.

So much work to keep Amiga alive, and yet the appscape there is absolutely barren. NeXT was rich and remains to this day the best user environment ever. If I had a modern web browser for OPENSTEP 4.2 I'd still be using it ;)

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RE: Comment by mlankton
by leech on Tue 14th Mar 2017 22:18 UTC in reply to "Comment by mlankton"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

I used to love WM. In fact at one point I had replaced the Explorer shell in windows woth Afterstep because I liked it so much.

Do yhey have a Netsurf port for the NeXT? That seems to be the go to modern browser for m68k family of systems these days. Though sadly it sounds like they are dropping the Atari build, but the Amiga one is still alive.

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This makes me happy
by p13. on Tue 14th Mar 2017 20:49 UTC
p13.
Member since:
2005-07-10

It just does.

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gsyoungblood
Member since:
2007-01-09

Nice to see this.

It's been a while, this used to be my desktop on Linux. Then I transitioned to OpenSolaris and then Mac in order to have stable environments for my work.

Very nice. Given the downward quality of Mac, i'm sorry macOS now, I might just dust off an old machine and give this a whirl again.

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kurkosdr Member since:
2011-04-11

Then I transitioned to OpenSolaris and then Mac in order to have stable environments for my work.


Shamelessly hijacking the thread because I cannot help not asking: Do you get good OpenGL GPU acceleration on OpenSolaris? Which GPU and driver combination?

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signals Member since:
2005-07-08

Do you get good OpenGL GPU acceleration on OpenSolaris? Which GPU and driver combination?


Solaris is still a supported platform for the NVidia blob:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/solaris-display-archive.html

Don't know if it works with OpenSolaris, or just the Oracle Solaris, and can't vouch for its performance, but I'd bet it does pretty well on the Solaris systems it is supported on.

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Still use this daily
by bnolsen on Tue 14th Mar 2017 22:29 UTC
bnolsen
Member since:
2006-01-06

I still use windowmaker as a daily driver on my development desktop. Light and fast and doesn't get in the way! Not so great for laptops as I don't think there are very many dockapps being developed nowadays...if I'm wrong about that please post about things like power managers, etc....

Edited 2017-03-14 22:30 UTC

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wmaker == solid ground
by mojmir on Wed 15th Mar 2017 06:06 UTC
mojmir
Member since:
2009-01-05

i consider wmaker being *the* basic window manager. of course you can go lower (twm, fvwm etc) but it's hardly more comfortable than running x without wm at all.

wmaker can be used on its own for longer period, it does what it does and not more. i always liked that.

from many other wm's i tried, i liked the possibility of tcp connect to window manager and send script commands from command line (speaking of sawfish/sawmill).

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RE: wmaker == solid ground
by joekiser on Wed 15th Mar 2017 11:08 UTC in reply to "wmaker == solid ground"
joekiser Member since:
2005-06-30

i consider wmaker being *the* basic window manager. of course you can go lower (twm, fvwm etc) but it's hardly more comfortable than running x without wm at all.

wmaker can be used on its own for longer period, it does what it does and not more. i always liked that.


It's probably the most accessible of the old guard 90's window managers. Out of the box Window Maker gives you Aero snap, and hovering over iconified programs, gives you a preview of the application window. Configuration can be done completely by GUI, and the window manager itself can be driven with a keyboard.

I also think it is the best looking (or least archaic) of the old guard window managers. About 6-7 years ago, I pushed a theme to box-look that I made in an hour on my 1024x768 Thinkpad. It still looks nice today with GTK3 apps on my 2560x1440 Dell display.

http://i.imgur.com/L03gNgS.png is a few month old screenshot. I still think it blends well with modern Adwaita/Breeze themed apps.

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RE[2]: wmaker == solid ground
by judgen on Wed 15th Mar 2017 14:04 UTC in reply to "RE: wmaker == solid ground"
judgen Member since:
2006-07-12

Looking goodand gtk3 in same senence... does not compute.

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RE[2]: wmaker == solid ground
by tidux on Wed 15th Mar 2017 19:40 UTC in reply to "RE: wmaker == solid ground"
tidux Member since:
2011-08-13

You made Darkthrone? That's one of my favorites.

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RE[3]: wmaker == solid ground
by joekiser on Thu 16th Mar 2017 03:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: wmaker == solid ground"
joekiser Member since:
2005-06-30

Yeah, took about an hour in the Gimp on a Thinkpad. I'm not even good with Gimp. I'm biased, but I think it looks nice even today. The idea was that I would push to box-look and then re-download whenever I re-formatted. Glad to see somebody else has used the theme.

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RE: wmaker == solid ground
by Doc Pain on Wed 15th Mar 2017 12:52 UTC in reply to "wmaker == solid ground"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

wmaker can be used on its own for longer period, it does what it does and not more. i always liked that.


For me, its main advantage is that the window manager (which is not a desktop environment!) does what it says on the box: it manages windows, and WindowMaker manages them in a way that I do not have to do it. That's why I'm still using it on my primary machines: it "stays out of the way" and is so transparent in its usage that I don't really recognize when I'm actually dealing with it, which leads to an excellent workflow.

Additionally, it's worth mentioning that WindowMaker has an excellent integration of prgrammable keyboards. Additional keys can be used to run programs or to change windows (roll up, shuffle up/down, "undisplay", maximize etc.) simply by pointing into a window and pressing the correspoding key on the keyboard. With a Sun Type 7 USB keyboard (or a Boscom 5250) with its 2x5 keypad on the left it's really easy and comfortable. Those features are super-easy to configure and do not require any stupid bloatware. :-)

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RE[2]: wmaker == solid ground
by bnolsen on Thu 16th Mar 2017 21:42 UTC in reply to "RE: wmaker == solid ground"
bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

Ouch...I started buying funky ergo keyboards because I started developing some serious repetitive injury pain from those sun keyboards.

And yes, I've always been able to configure everything I need from the GUI.

Edited 2017-03-16 21:43 UTC

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Updated in T2
by rener on Wed 15th Mar 2017 09:50 UTC
rener
Member since:
2006-02-27

Hey,
thanks for the note, did not realize we missed the last updates, so I quickly updated it the t2sde:
https://t2-project.org/packages/windowmaker.html

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X sucks! Bring back NeWS!
by AndrewZ on Wed 15th Mar 2017 14:29 UTC
AndrewZ
Member since:
2005-11-15
RE: X sucks! Bring back NeWS!
by bnolsen on Thu 16th Mar 2017 21:47 UTC in reply to "X sucks! Bring back NeWS!"
bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

Having run olvwm for some years at work, I still think windowmaker is the better window manager.

I loved the rounded buttons and especially the scrollbar controls that were part of the openlook widget set.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS#/media/File:The_NeWS_Toolkit_scre...

I really despised motif...

Edited 2017-03-16 21:54 UTC

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Dessign is impressive
by Mikaku on Wed 15th Mar 2017 21:31 UTC
Mikaku
Member since:
2007-05-03

Window Maker screen shots are always impressive!!
I <3 WM
:)

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